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3 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

Do you honestly think someone is going to admit that he/she was paying more attention to the phone than the kid(s) in the back seat of the vehicle?  People are distracted by their phones in all facets of life.  Far too many people have a smart phone addiction. 

People have all kinds of addictions.  Best to judge harshly when indicted (leaving innocent baby in hot car) but with compassion and knowledge that but for  circumstances there I go.....

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19 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Maybe it's a city thing.  Much of the infamous "Mayor Lindsey" storm in 1969 fell while KNYC was reporting 33°.

 It’s possible they could’ve been a little error too. Maybe it was near 32.5. In March, many stations near Logan were at freezing. In my experience, it gets a lot more difficult to get good accumulations above 32.5. And above 33 Fahrenheit you’re not gonna get much.

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Just now, CoastalWx said:

 It’s possible they could’ve been a little error too. Maybe it was near 32.5. In March, many stations near Logan were at freezing. In my experience, it gets a lot more difficult to get good accumulations above 32.5. And above 33 Fahrenheit you’re not gonna get much.

Before ASOS, MHT used to run warm. When everyone else in the area was 31-32F they'd be snowing at 34F. They were always warmer than CON unless they had a TS that CON missed out on. Their 104F in '95 was probably a couple warmer as well. Once the ASOS went in their temps were more in line with CON.

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The conjecture in here is akin to water cooler speculation ... but still, we can't really draw conclusions that way. 

Addiction would have to be science per a particular circumstance before approaching those judgments.   Like,... is it even possible that iPhone or Android or whatever the distraction, is capable of countermanding a million years of mother instincts with their kids.   I know that phone "addiction" is unsavory to observe and embarrassing ( really ) to think about, but that should still seem unlikely. 

This is not the same insidious scenario as a couple of heroin users strung out and stooped over in the front seat of a minivan while their three-year-old is square mouthed crying in the back seat ... and the cops trying to figure out how in the hell Humanity ever arrived to that particular point in time ...  

It's a phone... It didn't 'cause' the mother/father/parent to execute the three to four complete body motions required to securely lock a child in a car on a high sun hot day.  The parent did that - is it possible... ? Of course...but that total scenario is less than likely.   

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3 minutes ago, MetHerb said:

You should read the data.  Yes, distraction plays a role, however in the vast majority (99.9%) of cases, there was some kind of change in routine prior to the incident. 

I agree with you about smart phone addiction.  It's a rampant problem in society.  It's just one of the factors though in these cases.

…..or in the case of the guy who left his twins in the car, he assumed he had dropped them off at daycare.  How is it possible for someone to assume he dropped  his kids off at daycare without actually doing so??  That screams distracted to me.

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53 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

 It’s possible they could’ve been a little error too. Maybe it was near 32.5. In March, many stations near Logan were at freezing. In my experience, it gets a lot more difficult to get good accumulations above 32.5. And above 33 Fahrenheit you’re not gonna get much.

Very possible, though NYC with records back thru 1869 is one of the last places I'd expect it.  And the 33° stayed constant thru the bulk of the daytime snowfall; it could've - probably was - been at the low end of the rounding range.  That Sunday when 14" of the full 15.3" fell had temps 36/26, and my recollection is that the high was 12:01 AM and the low 11:59 PM.  There was already 2" new at sunrise 45 miles west where our troop spent the weekend at Allamuchy Scout Reservation, with a steady 15-20 mph wind that foreboded an interesting 30-mile drive home.  (Piece of cake in my '62 Beetle - 8" OG when we got there.)  NYC reported only 1" for 2/9, and I think they check depth at noon, so accumulation probably started a couple hours later than where we were.  Forecast had been for heavy RA in the city, and it may have begun that way as the 14" held 1.64" LE.

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6 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

BTV getting crushed . Pony Tails getting ripped off heads right now 

Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Burlington VT
355 PM EDT Tue Jul 30 2019

NYC019-VTC007-011-013-015-019-302045-
/O.CON.KBTV.SV.W.0029.000000T0000Z-190730T2045Z/
Clinton NY-Lamoille VT-Orleans VT-Grand Isle VT-Chittenden VT-
Franklin VT-
355 PM EDT Tue Jul 30 2019

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 445 PM EDT
FOR EAST CENTRAL CLINTON...NORTHWESTERN LAMOILLE...NORTHWESTERN
ORLEANS...GRAND ISLE...NORTH CENTRAL CHITTENDEN AND FRANKLIN
COUNTIES...

At 354 PM EDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from 19 miles north of Morses Line to Hyde Point, moving
east at 15 mph.

HAZARD...70 mph wind gusts and quarter size hail.

SOURCE...Highway department reported wind gust of 76 mph in
         association with this line of storms.

IMPACT...Minor hail damage to vehicles is possible. Expect
         considerable tree damage. Wind damage is also likely to
         mobile homes, roofs, and outbuildings.

Locations impacted include...
Enosburg Falls, Franklin, Alburgh Village, Johnson Village,
Cambridge, Montgomery Center, Montgomery, St. Albans City, Fairfax,
Sheldon, Belvidere Center, Georgia, Enosburg, Swanton, Waterville,
Grand Isle, St. Albans Town, South Alburgh, Johnson and Alburgh.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

For your protection move to an interior room on the lowest floor of a
building.

If on or near Lake Champlain, get away from the water and move
indoors or inside a vehicle. remember, lightning can strike out to
15 miles from the parent thunderstorm. If you can hear thunder, you
are close enough to be struck by lightning. Move to safe shelter
now!  Do not be caught on the water in a thunderstorm.

&&

LAT...LON 4501 7255 4459 7266 4469 7337 4501 7331
TIME...MOT...LOC 1954Z 285DEG 14KT 4529 7301 4474 7325

HAIL...1.00IN
WIND...70MPH
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Just now, HIPPYVALLEY said:

Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Burlington VT
355 PM EDT Tue Jul 30 2019

NYC019-VTC007-011-013-015-019-302045-
/O.CON.KBTV.SV.W.0029.000000T0000Z-190730T2045Z/
Clinton NY-Lamoille VT-Orleans VT-Grand Isle VT-Chittenden VT-
Franklin VT-
355 PM EDT Tue Jul 30 2019

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 445 PM EDT
FOR EAST CENTRAL CLINTON...NORTHWESTERN LAMOILLE...NORTHWESTERN
ORLEANS...GRAND ISLE...NORTH CENTRAL CHITTENDEN AND FRANKLIN
COUNTIES...

At 354 PM EDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from 19 miles north of Morses Line to Hyde Point, moving
east at 15 mph.

HAZARD...70 mph wind gusts and quarter size hail.

SOURCE...Highway department reported wind gust of 76 mph in
         association with this line of storms.

IMPACT...Minor hail damage to vehicles is possible. Expect
         considerable tree damage. Wind damage is also likely to
         mobile homes, roofs, and outbuildings.

Locations impacted include...
Enosburg Falls, Franklin, Alburgh Village, Johnson Village,
Cambridge, Montgomery Center, Montgomery, St. Albans City, Fairfax,
Sheldon, Belvidere Center, Georgia, Enosburg, Swanton, Waterville,
Grand Isle, St. Albans Town, South Alburgh, Johnson and Alburgh.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

For your protection move to an interior room on the lowest floor of a
building.

If on or near Lake Champlain, get away from the water and move
indoors or inside a vehicle. remember, lightning can strike out to
15 miles from the parent thunderstorm. If you can hear thunder, you
are close enough to be struck by lightning. Move to safe shelter
now!  Do not be caught on the water in a thunderstorm.

&&

LAT...LON 4501 7255 4459 7266 4469 7337 4501 7331
TIME...MOT...LOC 1954Z 285DEG 14KT 4529 7301 4474 7325

HAIL...1.00IN
WIND...70MPH

He def had big forest blow downs up there today 

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