Baroclinic Zone Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said: Lol man dude thats hail I've never seen hail melt upon contact with a windshield. Have you? It bounces off. https://www.balls.ie/cycling/tour-de-france-stage-cancelled-blizzard-414742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, Baroclinic Zone said: I've never seen hail melt upon contact with a windshield. Have you? It bounces off. https://www.balls.ie/cycling/tour-de-france-stage-cancelled-blizzard-414742 59 degrees snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OSUmetstud Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, dendrite said: I lean hail. If there's that much slush on the road surfaces I'd like to at least see some of the white stuff in the evergreens. Yeah i agree. Theres a good amount of cape around there and obviously convective clouds over the alps on eurosat. 700 temps are like plus 5c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, OSUmetstud said: Yeah i agree. Theres a good amount of cape around there and obviously convective clouds over the alps on eurosat. 700 temps are like plus 5c. Surface temps were in the low 50s when the Tstorms blew up according to Meteofrance, they said freak hail storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baroclinic Zone Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Snow. Just look at all the links I provided. Here's the webcams too. https://www.seevaldisere.com/webcams/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 And yes I have seen hail melt on contact partially frozen before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baroclinic Zone Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 If all that white stuff it hail, I'm shocked. That's feet upon feet in the streets, and on all the mountains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Snow. Just look at all the links I provided. Here's the webcams too. https://www.seevaldisere.com/webcams/ Yes we know there was existing snow cover in the upper alps, look at where the hail fell, not at the top. They were descending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 I lean snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 It's still a torch out there. Like Nick said, Tw's are up above 700mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Looks like snow based on the aerial coverage. Hail would be more localized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, MetHerb said: Looks like snow based on the aerial coverage. Hail would be more localized. It's mountain terrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Taste great, Less filling! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Looks like stick season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metagraphica Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: The date on this photo is December 2018 so their 'webcams' are not really live. Today was definitely hail. Not snow. Mudslides too from all the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Idk which pics are current, the elevations, locations, etc so I'm not confident either way. The 18z Tw 0C is like 3500-4000m and the highest point of the race is ~2700m in the last stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 hours ago, OSUmetstud said: For some applications youll need the $ symbol. For example if im verifying multiple forecast values against a single observation in A1, I need to maintain the reference to A1 in the formulas since excel will automatically change your formula to A2, A3, A4....when copied. Put the $ ahead of both row and column indicators and hold it for moves in any direction. However, my favorite Excel moment was learning how to work in 3 "dimensions" - column/row/worksheet - using the ! symbol. I had 30+ years of weather records and collating/analyzing was exceedingly laborious. Being able to access multiple worksheets made things 100X easier. Some scattered cu to the south but I haven't seen the shadows go dim all day - another beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 I've described this in the past ... a time a friend ascended some tourist summit in Colorado... There's a lodge up there around 12 K ...maybe even 14... or just 10. It was a sunny day... until about 10:30 when convective turrets were ballooning skyward just off to the side ... He described a five minute thunderstorm that started as light rain, then, hail then...heavy grapple.. then flipped around between, heavy rain...then, heavy snow, then light rain...then the sun came back out... That was early August when that happened. It was short sleeve than cold as hell...then short sleeves Now...I don't know about the Alps...but I do know that Mountain meteorology is varied and quite non-traditional. I'm not sure we can just assess "a sudden event" that is maybe convective in nature as hail or snow or rain? May have been varied - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Typhoon Tip said: I've described this in the past ... a time a friend ascended some tourist summit in Colorado... There's a lodge up there around 12 K ...maybe even 14... or just 10. It was a sunny day... until about 10:30 when convective turrets were ballooning skyward just off to the side ... He described a five minute thunderstorm that started as light rain, then, hail then...heavy grapple.. then flipped around between, heavy rain...then, heavy snow, then light rain...then the sun came back out... That was early August when that happened. It was short sleeve than cold as hell...then short sleeves Now...I don't know about the Alps...but I do know that Mountain meteorology is varied and quite non-traditional. I'm not sure we can just assess "a sudden event" that is maybe convective in nature as hail or snow or rain? May have been varied - Agree....at some point the hail, graupel, snow starts to blend together. It's been record breaking heat there even for the passes and varying stages of the tour de france. Given current temp analyses I just find it hard to believe there's that much snow falling at those relatively lower els given the H85/H7 temps and the airmass that was in there the past 2 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: I've never seen hail melt upon contact with a windshield. Have you? It bounces off. https://www.balls.ie/cycling/tour-de-france-stage-cancelled-blizzard-414742 So rain never falls with the hail too? Its either 100% rain or 100% hail? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 I was climbing mount Whitney in California 37 years ago in August. We pitched a tent at trail camp around 12,000 feet. Around 2pm ice balls mixed with rain which became all snow leaving about 3 inches which melted by 10am the next day which was helpful since that was the day we summited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 The milf next to me says hail in vids and pics aren’t current Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Watching NBSN on my IPad on the deck, you can see the building CU in the background as they climb. Will screenshot if I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Watching NBSN on my IPad on the deck, you can see the building CU in the background as they climb. Will screenshot if I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: Everyone here knows when things get active or very serious we buckle down, life is way too short to be serious all the time. Great post Garth. Thanks. Every once in a blue moon I have one. 4 hours ago, ApacheTrout said: Banter thread, then. Talk that stuff all you want there. Oh. Good idea. Let me try that. Do you have a link to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Still deep snow at elevation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 Which doper's in the lead ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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