usedtobe Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 http://voices.washin...dusting_or.html We still may very well be too low with our probabilities but didn't want to change too much as the gem still looks to be too far east for a hit, ditto for the ukmet based on what I saw through 72 hrs. There is still plenty of time to raise probabilities as we get closer to the event. I actually think the gfs 500 is getting close to giving us a good storm. It certainly has shifted west with the 500 low and it looks like the surface low has room to shift west based on the 500. I guess time will tell. Another CWG guy thinks the latest heat distribution is messing up the model and may be making the low come too far east...ditto for the Eruo. I'm not sure I agree but I guess the next few runs should tell the tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNC Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Thanks for the excellent analysis. I think the NWS offices would be wise to not honk too early, but it's fine line they walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Thanks for the excellent analysis. I think the NWS offices would be wise to not honk too early, but it's fine line they walk. For us (PHL area) it would be fortuitous timing as it would be sunday night into monday, no schools open, people monday morning can open their blinds, see the snow and go back to bed. Wes good info as always. Its almost as if the gfs "discovered" the storm with the 12z run today. Have a great Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 For us (PHL area) it would be fortuitous timing as it would be sunday night into monday, no schools open, people monday morning can open their blinds, see the snow and go back to bed. Wes good info as always. Its almost as if the gfs "discovered" the storm with the 12z run today. Have a great Christmas! yea but there will be TONS of people travelling on Boxing Day. Not good news for the EC airports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terpeast Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Updated HPC extended forecast today: EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 217 PM EST WED DEC 22 2010 VALID 12Z SAT DEC 25 2010 - 12Z WED DEC 29 2010 ...CONTINUED HIGH UNCERTAINTY WITH TRACK/IMPACT OF POWERFUL EAST COAST/WESTERN ATLANTIC STORM SUN-MON... AN AMPLIFIED ERN PAC TROF AND SHARPENING W-CNTRL NOAM RIDGE IN PLACE AT THE START OF THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD EARLY SAT WILL SUPPORT FURTHER DEEPENING OF AN EVOLVING ERN CONUS TROF WHOSE AXIS SHOULD REACH THE EAST COAST AROUND DAY 5 MON. UPSTREAM FLOW SHOULD TREND FLATTER WITH TIME AS ERN PAC TROF ENERGY LIFTS NEWD INTO THE WEST BY SUN-MON AND CONTINUES EWD THEREAFTER... WHILE ADDITIONAL ERN PAC ENERGY WITH GENERALLY MODEST AMPLITUDE CONTINUES TOWARD/INTO THE WEST. THIS LOWER AMPLITUDE WRN FLOW IS EXPECTED TO KICK OUT THE DEEP ERN TROF BY TUE-WED. OPERATIONAL MODELS AND ENSEMBLES CONTINUE TO SHOW CONSIDERABLE SPREAD WITH THE TRACK OF THE SYSTEM FCST TO DEEPEN AS IT TRACKS FROM THE GULF COAST OR GULF OF MEXICO INTO THE WRN ATLC OR ALONG THE EAST COAST. THE PAST 2-3 OPERATIONAL ECMWF RUNS HAVE INDICATED A MASSIVE...DEEP...SLOW-MOVING CYCLONE HUGGING THE CAROLINA AND MID ATLANTIC COASTS THE TWO DAYS FOLLOWING CHRISTMAS. THE ECMWF AND UKMET WERE THE FIRST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS TO SWITCH FROM TRACKING THIS WAVE ALONG 40N THROUGH THE MIDWEST...TO A SUPPRESSED PATH ACROSS THE DEEP SOUTH. SINCE THIS ADJUSTMENT... THE UKMET TRENDED EVEN FARTHER SOUTH...WITH THE ECMWF LOCKING ONTO AN EVOLUTION THAT TAKES THE DEVELOPING LOW TO THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE AND THEN SHARPLY UP THE EASTERN SEABOARD. THE 06Z GFS HAS ALSO TRENDED TO A VERY SUPPRESSED SOLN ACROSS THE GULF... ADDING SUPPORT FOR SUCH A SCENARIO FOR AT LEAST THAT PART OF THE FCST. THE TRACK OF THIS SYSTEM BEYOND THE GULF REGION STILL DEPENDS HEAVILY ON SHRTWV DETAILS OF NRN STREAM FLOW THAT ORIGINATES AT MID TO HIGHER LATITUDES. MODELS SOMETIMES HAVE CONSIDERABLE DIFFICULTY WITH HANDLING HIGHER LATITUDE ENERGY UNTIL WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS OF AN EVENT. OF PARTICULAR NOTE THE 00Z/06Z GFS ARE ON THE SHARP/WWD ELONGATED SIDE OF THE FULL GUIDANCE SPREAD WITH ENERGY OVER THE WRN GRTLKS/UPR MS VLY AS OF EARLY DAY 4 SUN. THIS ORIENTATION OF FLOW LIKELY PLAYS A PART IN THOSE GFS RUNS TRACKING THE DEEPENING WRN ATLC SFC LOW WELL OFF THE COAST. THE 00Z GEFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS OFFER MORE SUPPORT FOR A SHARPER AND MORE N-S ORIENTED TROF THAN RECENT GFS RUNS. MEANWHILE THE PAST TWO ECMWF RUNS ARE QUITE DIFFERENT WITH THEIR HANDLING OF A CLOSED LOW TO THE E OF HUDSON BAY AS OF DAY 3 SAT... SO THE ECMWF ALSO HAS QUESTION MARKS EVEN THOUGH THEIR RUNS ARE MORE SIMILAR FARTHER SWD. AS THE SFC LOW TRACKS NEAR THE EAST COAST THE 00Z ECMWF IS ON THE WRN SIDE OF THE SPREAD OF 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS AND WWD OF ALL 00Z GEFS MEMBERS WHICH ARE ADMITTEDLY SOMEWHAT LOWER IN RESOLUTION. THIS CORRESPONDS TO THE OPERATIONAL ECMWF RUNS BEING A DEEP EXTREME WITH THE CLOSED LOW ALOFT. ASIDE FROM THE DEPTH ALOFT THE ECMWF MID LVL EVOLUTION DOES APPEAR SOMEWHAT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH GEFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN IDEAS THAN THE 00Z/06Z GFS. THUS PREFER A SFC SOLN IN THE WRN HALF OF THE GUIDANCE SPREAD AND CLOSER TO THE ECMWF THAN 00Z/06Z GFS... BUT IT IS TOO EARLY TO SUBSCRIBE FULLY TO THE 00Z ECMWF SPECIFICS. THUS WILL PREFER A BLEND CONSISTING OF 30 PCT EACH 00Z ECMWF AND 12Z/21 ECMWF RUNS WITH THE REMAINING 40 PCT OCCUPIED BY THE 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN TO YIELD A COMPROMISE AROUND 2/3 TOWARD THE ECMWF. AS FOR SENSIBLE WEATHER IMPACT... THERE WILL LIKELY BE A TIGHT SNOWFALL GRADIENT ALONG/INLAND FROM THE EAST COAST... MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE AS FAR IN ADVANCE AS MAY BE DESIRED WHICH AREAS WILL RECEIVE SNOW AND HOW MUCH WILL ACCUMULATE AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION. HOWEVER EVEN WHERE THERE IS LITTLE OR NO SNOW THERE SHOULD BE A PERIOD OF BREEZY/WINDY CONDS OVER THE ERN STATES. THIS SYSTEM WILL BE TRAILED BY ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT SURGE OF COLD AIR INTO THE EAST WITH SOME DAYTIME READINGS REACHING AT LEAST 15 F BELOW NORMAL SUN-MON... AND FREEZING TEMPS FOR LOWS EXTENDING INTO THE NRN FL PENINSULA BY EARLY MON-TUE. THE PREFERRED BLEND FOR THE ERN CONUS/WRN ATLC EVOLUTION TONES DOWN THE 00Z ECMWF THAT IS ON THE SHARP/AMPLIFIED SIDE OF THE ENVELOPE WITH THE MID LVL TROF ENTERING THE WEST ON DAY 4 SUN. CONFIDENCE IN PARTICULARS OF ERN PAC TO PLAINS/GRTLKS FLOW DECREASES AS AMPLITUDE OF THE MEAN FLOW LIKEWISE DECREASES AT LEAST BRIEFLY. BY DAY 7 WED THE MOST COMMON IDEAS OF ENSEMBLE MEANS ARE TOWARD A WEAK SHRTWV REACHING THE GRTLKS AND VICINITY... A SHRTWV TROF NEARING THE WEST COAST... AND A MODERATE TROF REACHING NWRN MEXICO. ECMWF RUNS FIT THE ENSEMBLE MEANS BETTER THAN THE 00Z/06Z GFS WHICH ARE SLOWER. HOWEVER THERE IS THE RISK THAT THE ECMWF/ECMWF MEAN COULD BE A LITTLE QUICK TO BREAK DOWN/PUSH EWD THE RIDGE ALOFT REACHING THE ERN HALF OF NOAM BY TUE. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SENSIBLE WEATHER OVER THE WRN 2/3 OF THE CONUS THIS PERIOD SHOULD BE OVER THE WEST... WITH SOME LOCALLY MDT-HVY PCPN OVER CNTRL-NRN CA DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD IN ASSOC WITH THE LEADING TROF EJECTING INTO THE WEST. DRIER CONDS SHOULD PREVAIL ALONG THE SRN HALF OF THE WEST COAST MON-TUE... BUT THE DAY 7 SHRTWV MAY PUSH MEANINGFUL PCPN SWD INTO CA BY NEXT WED. 12Z UPDATE... FINAL FCST MAKES NO MEANINGFUL CHANGES TO THE UPDATED PRELIM ISSUANCE. WITH THE GULF/WRN ATLC SYSTEM A MILD WWD TREND IN THE 12Z GFS/GEFS MEAN HAS NARROWED THE SOLN SPREAD SLIGHTLY OVER THE WRN ATLC BUT OTHERWISE PRIOR UNCERTAINTY REMAINS. THE 12Z ECMWF HAS MAINTAINED CONTINUITY IN PRINCIPLE WHILE THE 12Z CMC CLUSTERS NEAR THE GFS/GEFS MEAN. THE UKMET IS SLOWEST AND ALSO EWD OF THE ECMWF. THE 12Z GEFS MEAN DOES OFFER POTENTIAL FOR PCPN TO EXTEND FARTHER WWD THAN THE OPERATIONAL RUN EVEN THOUGH THE GEFS MEAN SFC TRACK IS SIMILAR TO OR A FRACTION E OF THE GFS. FARTHER WWD... ECMWF CONTINUITY AND 12Z CMC/EXCESSIVELY SEPARATED UKMET SOLNS OFFER SUPPORT FOR A FAIRLY SHARP/AMPLIFIED ERN PAC TROF ENTERING THE WEST ON SUN. DOWNSTREAM THERE IS SOMEWHAT IMPROVED AGREEMENT WITH INCREASINGLY PROGRESSIVE NRN TIER CONUS/SRN CANADA FLOW LATER IN THE PERIOD WITH THE 12Z GFS TRENDING FASTER THAN 00Z/06Z RUNS AND 12Z ECMWF/CMC/GEFS MEAN SIMILAR TO OR AT MOST A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE 00Z ECMWF. 12Z UKMET IS A FAST OUTLIER THOUGH. FINALLY THERE IS DECENT CLUSTERING OF SOLNS WITH THE SHRTWV FCST TO NEAR THE WEST COAST AS OF EARLY DAY 7 WED. RAUSCH/CISCO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 For us (PHL area) it would be fortuitous timing as it would be sunday night into monday, no schools open, people monday morning can open their blinds, see the snow and go back to bed. Wes good info as always. Its almost as if the gfs "discovered" the storm with the 12z run today. Have a great Christmas! The 18z didn't move much from the 12Z except to be a little faster. Still it gives me a little snow. I'm glad I'm only writing a blog. Making an official forecast would be terribly hard. Merry Christmas to you also and Nooch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 Updated HPC extended forecast today: EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 217 PM EST WED DEC 22 2010 VALID 12Z SAT DEC 25 2010 - 12Z WED DEC 29 2010 ...CONTINUED HIGH UNCERTAINTY WITH TRACK/IMPACT OF POWERFUL EAST COAST/WESTERN ATLANTIC STORM SUN-MON... AN AMPLIFIED ERN PAC TROF AND SHARPENING W-CNTRL NOAM RIDGE IN PLACE AT THE START OF THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD EARLY SAT WILL SUPPORT FURTHER DEEPENING OF AN EVOLVING ERN CONUS TROF WHOSE AXIS SHOULD REACH THE EAST COAST AROUND DAY 5 MON. UPSTREAM FLOW SHOULD TREND FLATTER WITH TIME AS ERN PAC TROF ENERGY LIFTS NEWD INTO THE WEST BY SUN-MON AND CONTINUES EWD THEREAFTER... WHILE ADDITIONAL ERN PAC ENERGY WITH GENERALLY MODEST AMPLITUDE CONTINUES TOWARD/INTO THE WEST. THIS LOWER AMPLITUDE WRN FLOW IS EXPECTED TO KICK OUT THE DEEP ERN TROF BY TUE-WED. OPERATIONAL MODELS AND ENSEMBLES CONTINUE TO SHOW CONSIDERABLE SPREAD WITH THE TRACK OF THE SYSTEM FCST TO DEEPEN AS IT TRACKS FROM THE GULF COAST OR GULF OF MEXICO INTO THE WRN ATLC OR ALONG THE EAST COAST. THE PAST 2-3 OPERATIONAL ECMWF RUNS HAVE INDICATED A MASSIVE...DEEP...SLOW-MOVING CYCLONE HUGGING THE CAROLINA AND MID ATLANTIC COASTS THE TWO DAYS FOLLOWING CHRISTMAS. THE ECMWF AND UKMET WERE THE FIRST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS TO SWITCH FROM TRACKING THIS WAVE ALONG 40N THROUGH THE MIDWEST...TO A SUPPRESSED PATH ACROSS THE DEEP SOUTH. SINCE THIS ADJUSTMENT... THE UKMET TRENDED EVEN FARTHER SOUTH...WITH THE ECMWF LOCKING ONTO AN EVOLUTION THAT TAKES THE DEVELOPING LOW TO THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE AND THEN SHARPLY UP THE EASTERN SEABOARD. THE 06Z GFS HAS ALSO TRENDED TO A VERY SUPPRESSED SOLN ACROSS THE GULF... ADDING SUPPORT FOR SUCH A SCENARIO FOR AT LEAST THAT PART OF THE FCST. THE TRACK OF THIS SYSTEM BEYOND THE GULF REGION STILL DEPENDS HEAVILY ON SHRTWV DETAILS OF NRN STREAM FLOW THAT ORIGINATES AT MID TO HIGHER LATITUDES. MODELS SOMETIMES HAVE CONSIDERABLE DIFFICULTY WITH HANDLING HIGHER LATITUDE ENERGY UNTIL WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS OF AN EVENT. OF PARTICULAR NOTE THE 00Z/06Z GFS ARE ON THE SHARP/WWD ELONGATED SIDE OF THE FULL GUIDANCE SPREAD WITH ENERGY OVER THE WRN GRTLKS/UPR MS VLY AS OF EARLY DAY 4 SUN. THIS ORIENTATION OF FLOW LIKELY PLAYS A PART IN THOSE GFS RUNS TRACKING THE DEEPENING WRN ATLC SFC LOW WELL OFF THE COAST. THE 00Z GEFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS OFFER MORE SUPPORT FOR A SHARPER AND MORE N-S ORIENTED TROF THAN RECENT GFS RUNS. MEANWHILE THE PAST TWO ECMWF RUNS ARE QUITE DIFFERENT WITH THEIR HANDLING OF A CLOSED LOW TO THE E OF HUDSON BAY AS OF DAY 3 SAT... SO THE ECMWF ALSO HAS QUESTION MARKS EVEN THOUGH THEIR RUNS ARE MORE SIMILAR FARTHER SWD. AS THE SFC LOW TRACKS NEAR THE EAST COAST THE 00Z ECMWF IS ON THE WRN SIDE OF THE SPREAD OF 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS AND WWD OF ALL 00Z GEFS MEMBERS WHICH ARE ADMITTEDLY SOMEWHAT LOWER IN RESOLUTION. THIS CORRESPONDS TO THE OPERATIONAL ECMWF RUNS BEING A DEEP EXTREME WITH THE CLOSED LOW ALOFT. ASIDE FROM THE DEPTH ALOFT THE ECMWF MID LVL EVOLUTION DOES APPEAR SOMEWHAT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH GEFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN IDEAS THAN THE 00Z/06Z GFS. THUS PREFER A SFC SOLN IN THE WRN HALF OF THE GUIDANCE SPREAD AND CLOSER TO THE ECMWF THAN 00Z/06Z GFS... BUT IT IS TOO EARLY TO SUBSCRIBE FULLY TO THE 00Z ECMWF SPECIFICS. THUS WILL PREFER A BLEND CONSISTING OF 30 PCT EACH 00Z ECMWF AND 12Z/21 ECMWF RUNS WITH THE REMAINING 40 PCT OCCUPIED BY THE 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN TO YIELD A COMPROMISE AROUND 2/3 TOWARD THE ECMWF. AS FOR SENSIBLE WEATHER IMPACT... THERE WILL LIKELY BE A TIGHT SNOWFALL GRADIENT ALONG/INLAND FROM THE EAST COAST... MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE AS FAR IN ADVANCE AS MAY BE DESIRED WHICH AREAS WILL RECEIVE SNOW AND HOW MUCH WILL ACCUMULATE AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION. HOWEVER EVEN WHERE THERE IS LITTLE OR NO SNOW THERE SHOULD BE A PERIOD OF BREEZY/WINDY CONDS OVER THE ERN STATES. THIS SYSTEM WILL BE TRAILED BY ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT SURGE OF COLD AIR INTO THE EAST WITH SOME DAYTIME READINGS REACHING AT LEAST 15 F BELOW NORMAL SUN-MON... AND FREEZING TEMPS FOR LOWS EXTENDING INTO THE NRN FL PENINSULA BY EARLY MON-TUE. THE PREFERRED BLEND FOR THE ERN CONUS/WRN ATLC EVOLUTION TONES DOWN THE 00Z ECMWF THAT IS ON THE SHARP/AMPLIFIED SIDE OF THE ENVELOPE WITH THE MID LVL TROF ENTERING THE WEST ON DAY 4 SUN. CONFIDENCE IN PARTICULARS OF ERN PAC TO PLAINS/GRTLKS FLOW DECREASES AS AMPLITUDE OF THE MEAN FLOW LIKEWISE DECREASES AT LEAST BRIEFLY. BY DAY 7 WED THE MOST COMMON IDEAS OF ENSEMBLE MEANS ARE TOWARD A WEAK SHRTWV REACHING THE GRTLKS AND VICINITY... A SHRTWV TROF NEARING THE WEST COAST... AND A MODERATE TROF REACHING NWRN MEXICO. ECMWF RUNS FIT THE ENSEMBLE MEANS BETTER THAN THE 00Z/06Z GFS WHICH ARE SLOWER. HOWEVER THERE IS THE RISK THAT THE ECMWF/ECMWF MEAN COULD BE A LITTLE QUICK TO BREAK DOWN/PUSH EWD THE RIDGE ALOFT REACHING THE ERN HALF OF NOAM BY TUE. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SENSIBLE WEATHER OVER THE WRN 2/3 OF THE CONUS THIS PERIOD SHOULD BE OVER THE WEST... WITH SOME LOCALLY MDT-HVY PCPN OVER CNTRL-NRN CA DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD IN ASSOC WITH THE LEADING TROF EJECTING INTO THE WEST. DRIER CONDS SHOULD PREVAIL ALONG THE SRN HALF OF THE WEST COAST MON-TUE... BUT THE DAY 7 SHRTWV MAY PUSH MEANINGFUL PCPN SWD INTO CA BY NEXT WED. 12Z UPDATE... FINAL FCST MAKES NO MEANINGFUL CHANGES TO THE UPDATED PRELIM ISSUANCE. WITH THE GULF/WRN ATLC SYSTEM A MILD WWD TREND IN THE 12Z GFS/GEFS MEAN HAS NARROWED THE SOLN SPREAD SLIGHTLY OVER THE WRN ATLC BUT OTHERWISE PRIOR UNCERTAINTY REMAINS. THE 12Z ECMWF HAS MAINTAINED CONTINUITY IN PRINCIPLE WHILE THE 12Z CMC CLUSTERS NEAR THE GFS/GEFS MEAN. THE UKMET IS SLOWEST AND ALSO EWD OF THE ECMWF. THE 12Z GEFS MEAN DOES OFFER POTENTIAL FOR PCPN TO EXTEND FARTHER WWD THAN THE OPERATIONAL RUN EVEN THOUGH THE GEFS MEAN SFC TRACK IS SIMILAR TO OR A FRACTION E OF THE GFS. FARTHER WWD... ECMWF CONTINUITY AND 12Z CMC/EXCESSIVELY SEPARATED UKMET SOLNS OFFER SUPPORT FOR A FAIRLY SHARP/AMPLIFIED ERN PAC TROF ENTERING THE WEST ON SUN. DOWNSTREAM THERE IS SOMEWHAT IMPROVED AGREEMENT WITH INCREASINGLY PROGRESSIVE NRN TIER CONUS/SRN CANADA FLOW LATER IN THE PERIOD WITH THE 12Z GFS TRENDING FASTER THAN 00Z/06Z RUNS AND 12Z ECMWF/CMC/GEFS MEAN SIMILAR TO OR AT MOST A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE 00Z ECMWF. 12Z UKMET IS A FAST OUTLIER THOUGH. FINALLY THERE IS DECENT CLUSTERING OF SOLNS WITH THE SHRTWV FCST TO NEAR THE WEST COAST AS OF EARLY DAY 7 WED. RAUSCH/CISCO Rausch does a good job. He pretty much spells out the problems. 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dankil13 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Rausch does a good job. He pretty much spells out the problems. If you go back and read the assessment of the NWS performance during the blizzard of 96, it is very eerily to how similar this NWS report is to the ones that were issued 3-4 days in advance of that storm. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/assessments/pdfs/bz-mrg.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notvirga! Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 That report is 53 pages? Which pages are u talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of Disaster Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 http://voices.washin...dusting_or.html We still may very well be too low with our probabilities but didn't want to change too much as the gem still looks to be too far east for a hit, ditto for the ukmet based on what I saw through 72 hrs. There is still plenty of time to raise probabilities as we get closer to the event. I actually think the gfs 500 is getting close to giving us a good storm. It certainly has shifted west with the 500 low and it looks like the surface low has room to shift west based on the 500. I guess time will tell. Another CWG guy thinks the latest heat distribution is messing up the model and may be making the low come too far east...ditto for the Eruo. I'm not sure I agree but I guess the next few runs should tell the tale. Wes, are you getting any complaints about people not being able to open your link? Its been several weeks now that I get an operation aborted notice and have no clue why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoRyz Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Thanks Wes, excellent write-up. I think this really gives us solid reasoning for each of the possible scenarios as played out by the models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 Wes, are you getting any complaints about people not being able to open your link? Its been several weeks now that I get an operation aborted notice and have no clue why. A friend recently told me he had the same problem. I think it's the traffic on the server and all the adds that the post runs which might activate any pop up blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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