cstrunk Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, jpeters3 said: It's quite probable that the two are related (i.e. width and intensity are correlated). I'm fairly sure I've seen some research evidence to support this. Two tornadoes could have the same wind speed but a mile wide wedge is going to have a much longer duration than say a 100 yard wide tornado... thus more opportunity to inflict damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye05 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, jpeters3 said: It's quite probable that the two are related (i.e. width and intensity are correlated). I'm fairly sure I've seen some research evidence to support this. Well if there's research to support it I acknowledge that (most violent tornadoes are indeed wedges), but I'm saying width is not factored in when it comes to the actual rating process. The above poster seemed to think it was for some reason. No surveyor says "well we have to rate it EF3+ because it was a wedge". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Clause Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 So far 10 injuries and no fatalities with tornado, another lucky figure if it holds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpeters3 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buckeye05 said: Well if there's research to support it I acknowledge that (most violent tornadoes are indeed wedges), but I'm saying width is not factored in when it comes to the actual rating process. The above poster seemed to think it was for some reason. No surveyor says "well we have to rate it EF3+ because it was a wedge". This is true. While they are correlated, I think there have been a few EF-2 purported wedges over the past 10 days (e.g. Mangum OK, Canadian TX). Edit: I know both of these tornadoes were observed by DOWs. It will be interesting to see what the radar data says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I was away from my computer for a little while. Where do you think the Lawrence/Linwood tornado lifted? Did it hit Bonner Springs and/or interstate 70? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 There's definitely a positive correlation between tornado width and intensity. You just have to be careful to avoid absolutes. A wide tornado does not guarantee an intense one, just as a narrow tornado does not necessarily indicate a weak one. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hoosier said: There's definitely a positive correlation between tornado width and intensity. You just have to be careful to avoid absolutes. A wide tornado does not guarantee an intense one, just as a narrow tornado does not necessarily indicate a weak one. The early life of the jarrell tornado is a good example. Even under 50yds wide it was violent as all hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbrussell Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 So, I chased this evening in Kc and much of our view was obscured by rain. I was just south of the tornado as it passed through Linwood and had us go south when hit with substantial rfd (and it didn’t help that it was rain wrapped). We shot video of the tornado as it was rain wrapped and wedged out south of Lawrence. I also was on the tornado at Kearney Missouri and once again our view was obscured by rain. We couldn’t get in front of the tornado as the road we took was directly in the damage path (I shot video, several snapped trees and trees down in the road) I can also confirm that it was raining debris, as we saw large sticks coming down out of the air as the tornado began to dissipate. An extremely good chase and I would only be happier if these cells weren’t hp monsters 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 There have been 592 preliminary (unfiltered) tornado reports listed by the SPC this month (as of right now, including today's preliminary reports.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbrussell Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Here are some interesting screenshots I took. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbrussell Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Another before it went into linwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbrussell Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 And here’s where we were in Kearney when we got trapped by the damage path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Some of that damage near Linwood KS is pretty intense... very likely high-end EF3 to EF4... which would make sense. GTG shear when I was south of it was 180mph at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 **Language** Apparent video of tornado as it approached Linwood. I cannot imagine how it would feel to have this approaching your house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Some of the damage from this evening’s Linwood wedge tornado has been very impressive. This, coupled with research conducted by Rich Thompson and Sam Emmserson suggests this was likely a violent(EF4+) tornado. A 0.5 vrot of 90kts and a TDS to 25-30kft(at a minimum, there’s evidence that the TDS may have been potentially 35-40kft, but don’t wanna jump on that) put this firmly within the range where EF4+ is statistically favored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OortCloud Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Chinook said: I was away from my computer for a little while. Where do you think the Lawrence/Linwood tornado lifted? Did it hit Bonner Springs and/or interstate 70? Late to the party tonight. From what I hear locally, it did a little damage at Highway 7 and Nettleton? or something like that? in Bonner Springs but not a ton, and it uprooted a tree and severely mangled a highway sign on I-70. TV meteorologists were screaming their heads off about I-70 because they knew there would be cars on it that weren't paying attention. Someone who lives near the tollbooth on I-70 posted that they heard it at their house and "It sounded like a freight train" (TM) My parents' old church friends from Linwood and Bonner have been reporting in safe and unharmed from Linwood and Bonner. So far. Tomorrow I'm going to call their old church (They live in Cincinnati now...that's another story) I am going to find out if any of the people from their church 16 years ago, who helped them in 2003, were hit tonight, and I'll go help them. Back story: This one took a very similar track to May 4, 2003. From what I understand that one originated perhaps in Linwood, then hit the "Legends area," which was just beginning to be built, jumped the river and hit Parkville, hit a neighborhood in north Kansas City, then hit Liberty. This one's track was very similar! Forgot to say: the May 4, 2003 one hit my parents' house just east of the Legends area. (Where the racetrack is now) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Punched the RFD from south to north of the Lawrence tornado as it crossed 59. That thing was certainly mean. I managed to get a visit from the ghost train before backing out and heading south to the Wichita storms. HP storms in major metropolitan areas (plus all the stupid trees) make Northeast Kansas a PITA to chase in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OortCloud Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 7 hours ago, yoda said: Damage picture from south Lawerence https://mobile.twitter.com/wibwPeyton/status/1133523895514992641 Hey that looks like my ex's house. Can't remember exactly where it was but a couple blocks south of 23rd, in some cul-de-sac type neighborhood with modern houses, (as opposed to the many Victorians etc. in East Lawrence) and I think it was east of Haskell College. But in that kind of neighborhood, a lot of the houses look alike. But his really did look exactly like that. Edited to add: Well not like THAT. Like the "Before" picture of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortex95 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Chinook said: There have been 592 preliminary (unfiltered) tornado reports listed by the SPC this month (as of right now, including today's preliminary reports.) Where did you see 592 total? SPC has 442 through 11am CDT 5/28 on there STAMTS. https://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/torn/STAMTS.txt and there are so far 27 unfiltered prelim reports from 5/28, so that's 469. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstrunk Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0876.html Tornado watch likely incoming for north-central and south-central Oklahoma... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I wonder if the SPC will upgrade anywhere to a moderate risk today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormChazer Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 They change their mind on that tornado watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, StormChazer said: They change their mind on that tornado watch? It’s still early in the day and most CAMs don’t show warm sector development until this afternoon. The watch only goes until 1 p.m. and it will probably be replaced by a new downstream tornado watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Claridge Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Is that cell southwest of Mineral Wells trying to develop some rotation by chance? There might be a couplet near the Palo Pinto Creek Reservoir, though the storm is non-severe at the moment. EDIT: at least it looked like one for a couple of frames on the radar loop. EDIT 2: Storm may now be developing a hook near Weatherford. Still non-severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Tornado warned storm west of Dallas moving east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I thought I saw a little hook on reflectivity of all things a short time ago and wondered if NWS was going to warn for it. 81/71 Fprt Worth 86/72 Dallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED FLASH FLOOD WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK 109 PM CDT WED MAY 29 2019 ...FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY FOR OKMULGEE COUNTY AND PORTIONS OF OKFUSKEE AND MUSKOGEE COUNTIES... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TULSA HAS ISSUED A * FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR... NORTHWESTERN MUSKOGEE COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL OKLAHOMA... OKMULGEE COUNTY IN NORTHEASTERN OKLAHOMA... CENTRAL OKFUSKEE COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL OKLAHOMA... * UNTIL 600 PM CDT. * AT 105 PM CDT, OKMULGEE COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT REPORTED EXTENSIVE FLOODING ONGOING. TRAVEL IS NOT ADVISED THROUGH OKMULGEE COUNTY AT THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL THUNDERSTORMS CONTINUE TO MOVE ACROSS THE REGION AND ADDITIONAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES IS POSSIBLE. THIS IS A FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY FOR OKMULGEE COUNTY AND PORTIONS OF WESTERN MUSKOGEE AND EASTERN OKFUSKEE COUNTIES AND IS PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. SEEK HIGHER GROUND NOW! * SOME LOCATIONS THAT MAY EXPERIENCE FLOODING INCLUDE... OKMULGEE... OKEMAH... OKFUSKEE... HENRYETTA... HASKELL... MORRIS... BEGGS... DEWAR... SCHULTER... TAFT... BOYNTON... GRAYSON... COUNCIL HILL... HOFFMAN... CASTLE... CLEARVIEW... PRESTON... PHAROAH... BALD HILL... OKMULGEE STATE PARK... ADDITIONAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES IS POSSIBLE IN THE WARNED AREA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Claridge Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Area of rotation is to my north (I'm in west Fort Worth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX 133 PM CDT WED MAY 29 2019 TXC121-291915- /O.CON.KFWD.TO.W.0028.000000T0000Z-190529T1915Z/ DENTON TX- 133 PM CDT WED MAY 29 2019 ...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 215 PM CDT FOR NORTHERN DENTON COUNTY... AT 132 PM CDT, A CONFIRMED TORNADO WAS LOCATED OVER KRUM, OR NEAR SANGER, MOVING NORTHEAST AT 20 MPH. HAZARD...DAMAGING TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL. SOURCE...RADAR CONFIRMED TORNADO. IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE TO ROOFS, WINDOWS, AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY. THIS TORNADO WILL BE NEAR... 4 MILES NORTH OF DENTON AND SANGER AROUND 145 PM CDT. CROSS ROADS AROUND 200 PM CDT. RAY ROBERTS PARK ISLE DU BOIS AND RAY ROBERTS PARK JOHNSON BRANCH AROUND 210 PM CDT. PILOT POINT AND AUBREY AROUND 215 PM CDT. OTHER LOCATIONS IMPACTED BY THIS TORNADIC THUNDERSTORM INCLUDE LINCOLN PARK AND PONDER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Awfully quiet for two tornado warnings in DFW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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