Subtropics Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, PrinceFrederickWx said: It can still lay even on roads. 4/9/16 and 3/21/18 both had roads completely cave where I live- and this was in the middle of the day. You are farther south than me so I appreciate the perspective. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, Subtropics said: The northern zones maybe? DCA did not receive close to that amount. It's more or less impossible for us to build lasting snowpack even now. 34 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: Unfortunately he's not trolling he really believes the stuff he's spewing. His sun angle is stronger than the northern zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weather Will Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 WP has a good article on snowfall this year so far. No one from DC, South or West should objectively be complaining. We are at climo or better. It would be great to get one more before it’s over....It is nice to gave something to watch inside 2 weeks at the 3rd week of February. Everyone should realize that what makes it so fun to track in the Middle Atlantic is that we are almost always on the edge: rain vs snow/ light vs heavy rates etc. step back and stay at 30,000 feet until the middle of next week....then start tearing apart each operational run....I know much easier said then done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weather Will Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 One of my favorite memories of March was 93. We had several inches of snow with the thickest layer of sleet on top that I had ever seen. I was in my my 20s skating around the backyard in the late afternoon. It had been very mild 60 or 70 the day before. It can stick in March or anytime of year if it is coming down hard enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 40 minutes ago, Subtropics said: Fair enough. You have the stats, I don't. I'll concede that. Maybe I'm a micro climate, but I've witnessed stickage issues mid day even with February sun. Naturally I'm skeptical due to my personal experience on the blacktops 'round here IMBY. Rates matter. Are you sure you aren't using hours of light snow as an example. It needs to be coming down at a decent clip to stick well to pavement in March. That much is probably true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristowWx Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Kmlwx said: Rates matter. Are you sure you aren't using hours of light snow as an example. It needs to be coming down at a decent clip to stick well to pavement in March. That much is probably true. Seems to be true in every month. Depending on if we are coming off warm spell, cold spell, temps at game time. I guess it just depends so blanket statements are difficult to quantify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Somebody did a good wattage evaluation during the day. It would be interesting to see what wattage is being generated at 12 noon January 10th versus March 10th with full cloud cover but not precipitating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 It would be a huge difference. Sun angle at my house on Jan 10 is about 29 degrees. On March 10 it’s about 46 degrees. That’s a lot and I suspect it’s not a linear relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Subtropics said: Fair enough. You have the stats, I don't. I'll concede that. Maybe I'm a micro climate, but I've witnessed stickage issues mid day even with February sun. Naturally I'm skeptical due to my personal experience on the blacktops 'round here IMBY. I couldn't care less if the roads are wet or snow covered. Not a schoolboy looking for early dismissal. If there is a foot of snow on all other surfaces and the roads are just wet, that's F'ing perfect. Well it would be without all the damn road salt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDM Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Dunno why we have to go through the "sun angle" stuff every year about this time, and this is my 20th+ here dating back to Eastern and before. It's the same ole thing, year after year. Snow can stick any time of the year if the rates are sufficient. To say anything is impossible is sheer lunacy and about as worthy of cognitive reasoning as the current resurgence of the flat earth theory. The records prove it is indeed possible to have appreciable snow in March and even into April and with some reasonable periodic. And as posted a bit ago... Who cares if it comes and is gone in 2 days? While we'd love it to stick around whenever possible, any of us would give our right arm to get shellacked, even if it's gone a couple days or even hours later. It's the excitement of the chase, the glory of the event, and worship of the most stark onslaught Mother Nature can muster that entices us to go "all in". If/when we get sn-, sn, or sn+, whatever the time of year, even in March or April, just enjoy it and remember it until the next one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said: It would be a huge difference. Sun angle at my house on Jan 10 is about 29 degrees. On March 10 it’s about 46 degrees. That’s a lot and I suspect it’s not a linear relationship. Absolutely is not linear. Still can snow in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87storms Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I could see how sun angle might impact how quickly snow accumulates if rates are light and surface temps are marginal since (and I’m just hypothesizing) it may impact the rate of melting, but not sure it would matter much if it’s coming down steady/moderate and surface temps are below freezing. Of course, if the sun angle results in a wetter snow during its journey, then that’s a variable to take into account as well. While I think the level of impact is debatable especially in March, I don’t think I agree that it doesn’t matter. We’re talking about frozen water here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, WxUSAF said: Absolutely is not linear. Still can snow in March. I agree with RDM this is one of the dumbest things we go through every year. And no one is saying sun angle doesn’t matter at all. But there are those that blow it way out of proportion. The biggest effect of the sun angle is it’s WARMER lol. And if it’s warmer that makes snow less and less likely. But if it’s below freezing and snowing hard enough it “could” stick in July. Colorado proves that. They are at the same latitude. They have the same sun angle. The only difference is the air is thinner so it’s easier to get cold that time of year. But if it’s cloudy and snowing hard the sun is mostly blocked lol. It needs to be cold enough that’s the bigger problem. 33-34 wont work like it sometimes can in January and it has to snow hard, 8 hours of very light snow that would have been 1.5” in January won’t work either. But this argument it CANT stick in March during the day is beyond stupid and we get it every year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, PCT_ATC said: Well we are almost at climo.. but.. I agree.. it has been a let down with all the fall predictions of everyone bathing in snow up to their eyeballs! I'm about to just stop listening to cold and snowy forecasts for anything other than a moderate/strong modoki...lol As we have seen this winter...it's better to just lean on history and be done with it! If history says weak modokis are median/meh snowfall, I'm gonna go with that and be pleasantly surprised if it does more. But let's hope we can get mod modoki next...because then our chances oughta be pretty good! (and we'll still have low solar, correct?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digital snow Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Sun angle and ground temps... Ah, spring is in the air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydreb Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 18z GFS is a disaster. Georgia gets more snow than us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osfan24 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Might have to pull a BobChill if this stupid sun angle convo goes on any longer. We do this every year. If it's cold or snows hard enough, it will stick in April. If it isn't cold or snowing hard, then it won't. Enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Nice 18z gefs run. A few members suddenly like the miller b March 1-2. More hits March 4-5. Still a lot of NC hits. More hits this run than last few. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 And the snow looks legit. Not a lot of “cutter snow” with lows in Wisconsin and 37 degree temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Jb is calling for 2 big east coast storms back to back. When has he ever been wrong. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frd Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Hold the calls, what, what ????? Ice in the day time ???? In March ??? Sun angle.................no way, this must be fake news ...... Maybe this coming March yet again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: Nice 18z gefs run. A few members suddenly like the miller b March 1-2. More hits March 4-5. Still a lot of NC hits. More hits this run than last few. As long as they ain't still NC hits a week from now, we're good...lol #southanoia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristowWx Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: Jb is calling for 2 big east coast storms back to back. When has he ever been wrong. The east coast is a big place. Then again, the man had a lot of hits...he’s the Neil Diamond of weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frd Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Sun angle in March.......enough . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolz1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, frd said: Sun angle in March.......enough . ....Sun angle argument is played out like Kwame and them f'n polka dots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmclean Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said: As long as they ain't still NC hits a week from now, we're good...lol #southanoia Did someone call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, cbmclean said: Did someone call? You steal another hecs and we’re gonne have words! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmclean Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: You steal another hecs and we’re gonne have words! I'm dreaming of March 1960, when everybody got flush. Mere mention of that month makes many SE weenies salivate uncontrollably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraff Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, psuhoffman said: Jb is calling for 2 big east coast storms back to back. When has he ever been wrong. Hmmmmm. Smells like 1993 to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarReenactor Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I must admit, having now had these storms in Feb and comparing them to last March; really not much different. Pretty much the same slushy meltathon. I think the only drawback to March is with every passing day the odds of getting a storm go way down. You are working against the clock. Stuff that would have worked in Jan or Feb, doesn't work. Anyone remember snowquester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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