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if there is 10" left tomorrow morning in Central Park it will tie the record for consecutive days with 10" or more on the ground with 16 and 23 for the season...1947-48 holds the record and the total amount of days with at least 10" on the ground...54...2010-11 will be in second place for total days 4" or more...It is second with days over 10"..

4" snow depth...

54 in 1947-48

41 in 1960-61

40 in 2010-11 as of 2/10/11

35 in 1995-96 LGA obs...

31 in 1993-94

30 in 1977-78

23 in 2002-03 LGA

23 in 2009-10

21 in 1963-64

20 in 2003-04 LGA

20 in 2004-05

10" snow depth...

33 in 1947-48

22 in 2010-11 as of 2/9/11

20 in 1960-61

14 in 1995-96 LGA

12 in 1977-78

8.. in 1993-94

8.. in 2009-10

8.. in 1968-69

6.. in 1959-60

6.. in 1982-83

20" snow depth...

6 in 1995-96 LGA obs...

5 in 1947-48

4 in 2010-11 as of 2/10/11

3 in 1960-61

3 in 1993-94

1 in 2002-03 LGA

1 in 2005-06 LGA

1 in 2009-10

1 in 2010-11

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The relative lack of trees/wooded areas on the South Shore definitely hurts their snow cover. Also, areas within 5 miles of the South Shore torched into the mid-upper 40s after last Wed's ice storm when the warm front busted through.

Most importantly, however, ISP and most areas on the South Shore were well behind the Smithtown/Port Jeff. areas on snow cover even before the big Jan 26-27 storm. ISP only had 5" on the morning of Jan 26, and peaked at 18" on the morning of Jan 27. If I recall correctly, you had about 12" on Jan 26 and 26" on Jan 27.

The greater degree of torching definitely is a factor...especially during the ice storm, but also this past Saturday. Even when there has been plain rain, I suspect more of it got locked into the pack here vs washing through on the south shore. I guess these little things add up.

I melted down 5.5" of SWE at one point. I should do it again because I think the pack ripened fairly well before refreezing during this latest rainy thaw and may have released more water than during the previous thaws. This weekend was the first time we went more than 24 hours above freezing in quite a while. Plus we had a combination of fog, then high winds with nighttime temperatures above freezing.

Nighttime refreezing of softened snow has a huge impact on how long it sits. Thats one of the reasons NYC aften sheds snow very quickly (although not so far this winter).

Interestingly given the relative snow depths, I have only measured 3" more snow than ISP this winter (52.9" vs 49.9"). I've measured 4.8" less than central park's 57.7".

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The greater degree of torching definitely is a factor...especially during the ice storm, but also this past Saturday. Even when there has been plain rain, I suspect more of it got locked into the pack here vs washing through on the south shore. I guess these little things add up.

I melted down 5.5" of SWE at one point. I should do it again because I think the pack ripened fairly well before refreezing during this latest rainy thaw and may have released more water than during the previous thaws. This weekend was the first time we went more than 24 hours above freezing in quite a while. Plus we had a combination of fog, then high winds with nighttime temperatures above freezing.

Nighttime refreezing of softened snow has a huge impact on how long it sits. Thats one of the reasons NYC aften sheds snow very quickly (although not so far this winter).

Interestingly given the relative snow depths, I have only measured 3" more snow than ISP this winter (52.9" vs 49.9"). I've measured 4.8" less than central park's 57.7".

Yes, hence the idea that composition of the surface and how it responds to surface heating also matters.

I dont have the EWR snowfall totals offhand, but I think they've had more snow than NYC this winter (maybe a difference of 4-5 inches) and yet their snowcover is half that of NYC. It has to do with the physical characteristics of the surface and how it responds to solar heating. Urban and built up areas with asphalt and concrete will naturally lose snow more quickly.

Air temps also play a role, but there are other factors just as important. Certainly, in the EWR vs NYC comparison (airport vs park), temps, rainfall "contamination" and snowfall totals played no role, it was all about surface composition and the heat retention properties of the ground.

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Just found 2 amazing sites with great graphs and maps of snow cover.

One site, the Nat'l Operational Hydrologic Remote Sensing Center (NOHRSC), has archived snow depth reports for official NWS airport sites, NWS co-op sites, and MADIS sites going back to 2002.

The other site, Weatherstreet.com, plots these reports. Here are links to snow cover maps for various parts of the NYC area:

LI/southern CT: http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

Lower Hudson Valley: http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

Northern NJ/NYC: http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

Here are links to graphs showing snow cover in the past week for sites in the greater NYC area:

NYC:

Central Park: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=NYC

LGA Airport: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=LGA

JFK Airport: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=JFK

Long Island:

Centerport: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=CTPN6

Northport: http://www.nohrsc.no...units=0&x=0&y=0

Mount Sinai: http://www.nohrsc.no...units=0&x=0&y=0

Islip (MADIS site): http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0958H_MADIS

Islip (Airport): http://www.nohrsc.no...dm=2&dd=10&dh=6

NWS Upton: http://www.nohrsc.no...units=0&x=0&y=0

Bridgehampton: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=BDGN6

East Moriches: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0960H_MADIS

Southern CT:

Brookfield (northern Fairfield County): http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=7104A_MADIS

Success Hill/ Stratford (southern Fairfield County): http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=BSHC3

Bridgeport: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=BDR

Portland (northern Middlesex County): http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=3266S_MADIS

Lower Hudson Valley of NY:

Monroe: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=9871H_MADIS

Yorktown Heights: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=YHTN6

Carmel: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=CARN6

South Salem: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=1700R_MADIS

Beacon: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0926H_MADIS

Poughkeepsie: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0829H_MADIS

New Paltz: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=NPZN6

Northern NJ:

Sussex: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=SUXN4

Wantage Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0573H_MADIS

Oakland: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0488H_MADIS

Morris County: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=4455H_MADIS

Long Hill Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0580O_MADIS

Teterboro: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=TEB

Hawthorne: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=6139S_MADIS

Harrison: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0511H_MADIS

Newark: http://www.nohrsc.no...nits=0&station= EWR

Rockaway Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=6128S_MADIS

New Providence: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=9869H_MADIS

Franklin Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0571H_MADIS

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Thanks for all the links! Question, do the non airport reporting sites also report snowfall totals for the whole winter? Because I would love to have access to Northport, Mt. Sinai, etc. Are they official, who does the measuring and where can I find the storm by storm totals? Thanks!

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I calculated the Snow Depth Days for my location through 2/9:

Smithtown Snow Depth 2010-2011

Snowdepth @ ~8AM Total Snow Depth Days: 581

12/14/10 1

12/15/10 1

12/16/10 T

12/17/10 T

12/18/10 T

12/19/10 0

12/20/10 0

12/21/10 0

12/22/10 0

12/23/10 0

12/24/10 0

12/25/10 0

12/26/10 0

12/27/10 12

12/28/10 10

12/29/10 9

12/30/10 8

12/31/10 8

01/01/11 7

01/02/11 4

01/03/11 3

01/04/11 3

01/05/11 2

01/06/11 2

01/07/11 2

01/08/11 4

01/09/11 4

01/10/11 4

01/11/11 4

01/12/11 19

01/13/11 18

01/14/11 17

01/15/11 16

01/16/11 15

01/17/11 14

01/18/11 15

01/19/11 11

01/20/11 10

01/21/11 14

01/22/11 13

01/23/11 13

01/24/11 12

01/25/11 12

01/26/11 25

01/27/11 24

01/28/11 23

01/29/11 22

01/30/11 22

01/31/11 21

02/01/11 22

02/02/11 21

02/03/11 20

02/04/11 18

02/05/11 18

02/06/11 16

02/07/11 15

02/08/11 14

02/09/11 13

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Great Stuff :thumbsup:

Just found 2 amazing sites with great graphs and maps of snow cover.

One site, the Nat'l Operational Hydrologic Remote Sensing Center (NOHRSC), has archived snow depth reports for official NWS airport sites, NWS co-op sites, and MADIS sites going back to 2002.

The other site, Weatherstreet.com, plots these reports. Here are links to snow cover maps for various parts of the NYC area:

LI/southern CT: http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

Lower Hudson Valley: http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

Northern NJ/NYC: http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

Here are links to graphs showing snow cover in the past week for sites in the greater NYC area:

NYC:

Central Park: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=NYC

LGA Airport: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=LGA

JFK Airport: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=JFK

Long Island:

Centerport: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=CTPN6

Northport: http://www.nohrsc.no...units=0&x=0&y=0

Mount Sinai: http://www.nohrsc.no...units=0&x=0&y=0

Islip (MADIS site): http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0958H_MADIS

Islip (Airport): http://www.nohrsc.no...dm=2&dd=10&dh=6

NWS Upton: http://www.nohrsc.no...units=0&x=0&y=0

Bridgehampton: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=BDGN6

East Moriches: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0960H_MADIS

Southern CT:

Brookfield (northern Fairfield County): http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=7104A_MADIS

Success Hill/ Stratford (southern Fairfield County): http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=BSHC3

Bridgeport: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=BDR

Portland (northern Middlesex County): http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=3266S_MADIS

Lower Hudson Valley of NY:

Monroe: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=9871H_MADIS

Yorktown Heights: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=YHTN6

Carmel: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=CARN6

South Salem: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=1700R_MADIS

Beacon: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0926H_MADIS

Poughkeepsie: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0829H_MADIS

New Paltz: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=NPZN6

Northern NJ:

Sussex: http://www.nohrsc.no...0&station=SUXN4

Wantage Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0573H_MADIS

Oakland: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0488H_MADIS

Morris County: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=4455H_MADIS

Long Hill Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0580O_MADIS

Teterboro: http://www.nohrsc.no...s=0&station=TEB

Hawthorne: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=6139S_MADIS

Harrison: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0511H_MADIS

Newark: http://www.nohrsc.no...nits=0&station= EWR

Rockaway Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=6128S_MADIS

New Providence: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=9869H_MADIS

Franklin Township: http://www.nohrsc.no...ion=0571H_MADIS

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Mount Sinai, Centerport, and Bridgehampton are all official NWS co-op sites, and can be trusted about as much as NWS airport obs.

The easiest way to see daily snowfall obs from them is:

Mount Sinai: http://mesonet.agron...network=NY_COOP

Centerport: http://mesonet.agron...network=NY_COOP

Bridgehampton: http://mesonet.agron...network=NY_COOP

(You can change the year to get data from earlier years)

The East Moriches and Northport stations are part of the COCORAHS program (The station is actually 1.6 mi NNE of Northport, in Crab Meadow, within about 1/3 of a mile of LI Sound) . Details on COCORAHS are here: http://www.cocorahs....px?page=aboutus

The data from COCORAHS are used by the NWS, and I believe the training is more rigorous than for NWS spotters.

Yes, both Mount Sinai and Northport report daily snowfall. As far as I can tell, the only way to access daily snowfall reports is day-by-day. Go to this link and pick the day you're looking for: http://www.nohrsc.no...9&units=e&gui=1

Thanks for all the links! Question, do the non airport reporting sites also report snowfall totals for the whole winter? Because I would love to have access to Northport, Mt. Sinai, etc. Are they official, who does the measuring and where can I find the storm by storm totals? Thanks!

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Centerport, Mount Sinai and Bridgehampton are all official NWS co-op sites, and can be trusted about as much as NWS airport obs.

The easiest way to see daily snowfall obs from them is:

Mount Sinai: http://mesonet.agron...network=NY_COOP

Centerport: http://mesonet.agron...network=NY_COOP

(You can change the year to get data from earlier years)

The East Moriches and Northport stations are part of the COCORAHS program (The station is actually 1.6 mi NNE of Northport, in Crab Meadow, within about 1/3 of a mile of LI Sound) . Details on COCORAHS are here: http://www.cocorahs....px?page=aboutus

The data from COCORAHS are used by the NWS, and I believe the training is more rigorous than for NWS spotters.

Yes, both Mount Sinai and Northport report daily snowfall. As far as I can tell, the only way to access daily snowfall reports is day-by-day. Go to this link and pick the day you're looking for: http://www.nohrsc.no...9&units=e&gui=1

Thanks, I really appreciate this! Are they part of MADIS or APRXNET? I see stations like that on wunderground but when I punched in the call letters for these stations on wunderground (Northport and Mt. Sinai) it came back empty.

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Your snow depths so far match up well with William in Port Jefferson, so the lack of sampling doesn't seem to be a big issue.

13" here as of this AM. I'm blown away by the fact that ISP is reporting 3". They are only 10 miles SSE from here.

We have some thinner spots in the usual places, but even the most exposed spot that usually melts out first looks like it still has at least 6". Can anyone from the Bohemia / Holbrook area weigh in on their snowcover?

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not doing a lot of sampling. I have 2 snowstakes in the front about 10 - 12 feet from each other in a flat open area that are roughly 30 feet from the nearest tree, drivaway, house, etc. I just view them out the window for a quick read of snow depth. Essentially, the snow stakes are in same area where I put the snow boards. There is a well packed trail running out there tramped down and refilled and tramped down again many times since December. I'm curious to see if I am left with a monorail when the snow around it melts.

It was definitely a different kind of winter around here through late Janaury. Much more typical since, although we still have the Dec-Jan snows laying around and slowly eroding.

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BTW what do you think of the EWR / NYC snowfall differential being due to surface composition and heat retention at the airport over the park?

I think this is definitely a factor; the concrete surface probably allows heat to spread out in areas that become bare, and it's naturally warmer next to idling airplanes than in Central Park. Also, Newark doesn't have much shade, which is the biggest difference in February snowpack retention. You can see it here in Southern Westchester as well: south-facing open areas are devoid of snow cover, while the wooded areas are holding onto nearly a foot of snow.

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I agree with Nate here. The landscape differences are the primary factor. Note that Newark airport had 5" this morning, about 4-5" behind surrounding co-op sites in NE NJ:

http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

The most striking difference is between Newark and Harrison, which is only 5 mi to the NNE and had 9" snow cover this morning.

Teterboro Airport, at 3", is even farther behind surrounding sites.

I think this is definitely a factor; the concrete surface probably allows heat to spread out in areas that become bare, and it's naturally warmer next to idling airplanes than in Central Park. Also, Newark doesn't have much shade, which is the biggest difference in February snowpack retention. You can see it here in Southern Westchester as well: south-facing open areas are devoid of snow cover, while the wooded areas are holding onto nearly a foot of snow.

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Another site which has archived data, including high/low temps, snowfall and snow depth, for NWS observing sites and co-op sites is:

http://climate.usurf...oducts/data.php

Type in a city, zoom in or out, and click on the purple dots (indicating an active site) or yellow dots (indicating an inactive site).

It is usually updated every few months for most sites, but is good for historical purposes.

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Your snow depths so far match up well with William in Port Jefferson, so the lack of sampling doesn't seem to be a big issue.

Thanks for posting some exceptional links. I am very pleased to see records being kept at Northport and Mt. Sinai as well as the older Centerport station. Last winter Mt Sinai recorded in the neighborhood of 68" of snow; this substantiated the claims of people in my part of Suffolk that it had been an exceptionally snowy winter in our region...and did a nice job of supporting the Upton snowfall total.

I went out to measure the depth of snow about 10 minutes ago; to my absolute amazement....my feet did not sink one inch through the snow...the pack has become so hardened...like walking on water...frozen water, that is. The metallic yardstick had its problems penetrating the icy sheath; but when the base was reached, the depth came to 11 inches.

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I agree with Nate here. The landscape differences are the primary factor. Note that Newark airport had 5" this morning, about 4-5" behind surrounding co-op sites in NE NJ:

http://www.weatherst...-snow-depth.htm

The most striking difference is between Newark and Harrison, which is only 5 mi to the NNE and had 9" snow cover this morning.

Teterboro Airport, at 3", is even farther behind surrounding sites.

Yes, it seems like the daily difference in snowfall melting rate due to surface composition becomes cumulatively much greater over the lifetime of the snowpack. The fact that its so variable in localized areas leads me to believe that if I go the wooded areas in one of our various parks here on the south shore, I can probably find areas with 6 inches or more snowpack still left.

Ace, let's measure at North Woodmere Park! :thumbsup:

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Thanks for posting some exceptional links. I am very pleased to see records being kept at Northport and Mt. Sinai as well as the older Centerport station. Last winter Mt Sinai recorded in the neighborhood of 68" of snow; this substantiated the claims of people in my part of Suffolk that it had been an exceptionally snowy winter in our region...and did a nice job of supporting the Upton snowfall total.

I went out to measure the depth of snow about 10 minutes ago; to my absolute amazement....my feet did not sink one inch through the snow...the pack has become so hardened...like walking on water...frozen water, that is. The metallic yardstick had its problems penetrating the icy sheath; but when the base was reached, the depth came to 11 inches.

Yes, Im ecstatic to have found these also. I wonder who does the measuring and how far back the records go?

William, do you have a link for Mt Sinai annual snowfall totals?

Didnt Upton also record around 68?

You know its been my contention that Mt Sinai is close to being one of the snowiest places on Long Island and this will help prove it. I would like to set it up against Northport, Centerport, and a few others. I wish I could find a station near East Hills or Muttontown, because I know a member from there who tells me they have great durability of snowcover out there!

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13" here as of this AM. I'm blown away by the fact that ISP is reporting 3". They are only 10 miles SSE from here.

We have some thinner spots in the usual places, but even the most exposed spot that usually melts out first looks like it still has at least 6". Can anyone from the Bohemia / Holbrook area weigh in on their snowcover?

You know I work about 3 or so miles ESE of KISP. I didn't put a ruler in, but eyeballing it, I'd say at least 5 to 6 inches on the ground at the job.

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Yes, Im ecstatic to have found these also. I wonder who does the measuring and how far back the records go?

William, do you have a link for Mt Sinai annual snowfall totals?

Didnt Upton also record around 68?

You know its been my contention that Mt Sinai is close to being one of the snowiest places on Long Island and this will help prove it. I would like to set it up against Northport, Centerport, and a few others. I wish I could find a station near East Hills or Muttontown, because I know a member from there who tells me they have great durability of snowcover out there!

Heheh, Alex...unfortunately, I *believe* the Mt Sinai coop only began operations in the fall of 2009...so it is a pretty brief climate record.

Upton had 67.8" last winter.

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I wonder who does the measuring and how far back the records go?

The Mt. Sinai observer is an intern at OKX, *I think*...

The Centerport observer is a private citizen with whom I've had a few conversations with.

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You know its been my contention that Mt Sinai is close to being one of the snowiest places on Long Island and this will help prove it. I would like to set it up against Northport, Centerport, and a few others. I wish I could find a station near East Hills or Muttontown, because I know a member from there who tells me they have great durability of snowcover out there!

Ed and I have discussed and debated "the snowiest spot question" for years...but when you get down to it...it is basically a de minimis argument...Northport might be...Huntington might be...Miller Place might be...but even if they are...you are probably talking only an inch or so more than the rest of the N. Shore and only 4 or 5 inches more than much of the rest of the Island.

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1947-48 and 2010-11 snow pack...

date.....47-48....10-11

12/23.........2.........0

12/24.........2.........0

12/25.........1.........0

12/26.......26.......13

12/27.......25.......20

12/28.......24.......18

12/29.......22.......16

12/30.......20.......14

12/31.......17.......13

01/01.......15.......12

01/02.......15.......09

01/03.......15.......06

01/04.......14.......05

01/05.......13.......04

01/06.......14.......02

01/07.......15.......01

01/08.......13.......03

01/09.......10.......02

01/10.......10.......02

01/11.......09.......02

01/12.......08.......09

01/13.......08.......08

01/14.......07.......07

01/15.......07.......06

01/16.......07.......05

01/17.......07.......04

01/18.......09.......05

01/19.......09.......02

01/20.......08.......01

01/21.......09.......06

01/22.......10.......06

01/23.......10.......06

01/24.......13.......06

01/25.......13.......06

01/26.......12.......16

01/27.......12.......23

01/28.......11.......20

01/29.......10.......19

01/30.......10.......18

01/31.......09.......17

02/01.......08.......18

02/02.......08.......17

02/03.......08.......16

02/04.......12.......16

02/05.......13.......15

02/06.......13.......15

02/07.......13.......13

02/08.......12.......11

02/09.......12.......10

02/10.......11.......10

02/11.......12.......08

02/12.......09.......08

02/13.......08.......08

02/14.......07

02/15.......06

02/16.......05

02/17.......03

02/18.......02

02/19.......T

02/20.......0

02/21.......0

02/22.......05

02/23.......03

02/24.......02

02/25.......T

02/26.......0

02/27.......0

02/28.......0

02/29.......0

03/01.......0

03/02.......02

03/03.......01

03/04.......01

03/05.......01

03/06.......T

03/07.......T

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Very underrated winter and reading about it, it would have to be one of my favorites. A weak la nina that produced hypersnowfall totals, like 1995-96. It was actually the record setting winter at Upton, prior to 1995-96, with 75" of snow, of which 30" + inches fell in Feb and Mar (each!)

The two biggest snowstorms at Upton that winter were on 2/6/67 (17.2") and 3/21/67 (16.0").

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Ed and I have discussed and debated "the snowiest spot question" for years...but when you get down to it...it is basically a de minimis argument...Northport might be...Huntington might be...Miller Place might be...but even if they are...you are probably talking only an inch or so more than the rest of the N. Shore and only 4 or 5 inches more than much of the rest of the Island.

How do you feel about the East Hills / Muttontown area of Nassau for a countywide maximum at least?

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The two biggest snowstorms at Upton that winter were on 2/6/67 (17.2") and 3/21/67 (16.0").

And I remember you showed me that one site, where they have old records on Long Island, and Westhampton got down to 0 just before that March snowstorm, the latest 0 ever on Long Island. NYC also had their latest high of 20 or lower.

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How do you feel about the East Hills / Muttontown area of Nassau for a countywide maximum at least?

I think the entire area...from Cold Spring Harbor...across northern sections of Syosset...the Brookville's...East Norwich....rate among the snowiest spots in Nassau...with a true mean of around 32 to 33 inches annually.

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And I remember you showed me that one site, where they have old records on Long Island, and Westhampton got down to 0 just before that March snowstorm, the latest 0 ever on Long Island. NYC also had their latest high of 20 or lower.

Good memory...latest below zero out at Upton was in fact on 3/20/1967 with a reading of -2 F.

http://www.bnl.gov/weather/4cast/03-martemp.html

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