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CNY_WX Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I think you can throw that 18Z GFS run in the trash. What a radical change from 12Z. Unless it can reproduce that result in future runs I think it has major issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, wolfie09 said: This could've been a big one. Glad it won't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Great AFD: .SHORT TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT/... The mid-week mess maker will be moving east of the area by early Thursday, leaving us in the relative foul weather nadir for the week. This occurs as we fully enter the warm sector of a low that will be rapidly spinning up to our west. This means warm advection again holds sway and as 850 mb temperatures approach +10C, even with sub-optimal mixing profiles during the diurnally favorable period, much of the area should again return into the 50s. A fantastically strong cold front looks to follow the warm Thursday across the area Thursday night into early Friday. Fall off of about 25C at 850 mb can be noted across this front between here and lower Michigan as it approaches. This represents a veritable wall of a density discontinuity, and it indicates that forcing for ascent along the front itself should be very impressive. If we combine this with the presence of a couple hundred J/kg of MUCAPE, steep lapse rates above the 0C isotherm, and solidly negative theta-e lapse rates from 850 up toward 500 mb, it would seem a rumble or two of thunder would also be possible along the front. This is unusual for February, but the low CAPE/high shear environment really is not. Further, the deep dive of the dynamic tropopause to below 700 mb on the ECMWF in the wake of the front yields further confidence in impressive lift along the front. Another implication of the suppression of the tropopause and the presence of the 2 PVU surface below 700 mb will be the propensity for solid mixing in the dry slot behind the frontal passage. The NAM and GFS both feature 50-60 kts at 850 immediately post-frontal. Soundings don`t favor the best mixing until daytime Friday in the post-frontal air mass, however, which would already be beyond the time when the best tropopause undulation has moved by. Nevertheless, a period of high winds seems likely overnight Thursday night into Friday. The favored areas on WSW flow east of Lake Erie and Ontario, including the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area, would likely see gusts of 50 to 55 mph in this set up even as it stands now. High end advisories from KBUF to KROC look very plausible...with at least a chance for warning criteria winds. Climatologically (rapidly deepening cyclone passing to northwest and strong post frontal subsidence)...this event is looking more and more threatening. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, CNY_WX said: I think you can throw that 18Z GFS run in the trash. What a radical change from 12Z. Unless it can reproduce that result in future runs I think it has major issues. Or maybe its starting to slowly come around to the Euro's thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Small window for some lake effect Friday afternoon/evening.. Rapidly colder air builds into the area through the end of the week as flow becomes more westerly and west-northwesterly. This will result in deepening inversion heights over the lower Great Lakes. As such, lake effect snow showers will be developing by that juncture, especially east of the fully open Lake Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Small window for some lake effect Friday afternoon/evening.. Rapidly colder air builds into the area through the end of the week as flow becomes more westerly and west-northwesterly. This will result in deepening inversion heights over the lower Great Lakes. As such, lake effect snow showers will be developing by that juncture, especially east of the fully open Lake Ontario. Yeah, I have been watching that. Let's just hope it doesn't quickly sweep through the west wind stage in like an hour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Another trend towards a euro like solution.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Yes please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Later transfer on the 0z euro.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Lots and lots of time yet and the one thing I don't like is the EPS keeps lowering snow totals for the 10 day time frame so thats a bit disconcerting to say the least! I'm gonna run with the FV3 and hope for the best, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 This FV3 is completely nuts as it has us at 5" by 12Z Thurs?? Isn'e every other model seeing rain? Or did the models just all of a sudden get colder? 18Z my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 GFS same time: Just comical, seriously, as there must be some kind of frozen precip in there but look at how we warm in CNY, lol, get me out of this horrific Winter already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 RLMAO Can you say broad brushing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Please just get us out of this horrific pattern already, but I think shes locked in for sure but hope not as it sure doesn't look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 15 hours ago, TugHillMatt said: Nice looking lot. Thanks! Looks best when buried in snow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Oh my lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Oh my lol Bullseye right over my house. Lock it in. Of course I would have 500 inches of snow on the season if that model was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-LES FREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Bullseye right over my house. Lock it in. Of course I would have 500 inches of snow on the season if that model was right. You can actually say this about every model Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 A soaking rain will arrive by afternoon, if not a bit sooner, then spread quickly east across the remainder of the area through Thursday night. There will be enough forcing into the area to support a period of possible thunderstorms Thursday night, and perhaps heavy rain. The rainfall associated with this system will need to be monitored very closely as this could be a significant rainfall event with amounts potentially nearing an inch. Rainfall amounts of this magnitude could certainly bring renewed hydrologic concerns, especially considering the several ice jams which are currently in place on some of the Buffalo area creeks. The system dry slot will punch through the region late Thursday night into Friday, as the low pressure center continues to deepen as it lifts through Ontario into Quebec, forcing a powerful cold front through the area. This will bring a quick end to the precipitation as the cold front swings through. Cold air will rapidly rush into the area in wake of the front, with temperatures dropping into the 20s through the day Friday. There will be the potential for a flash freeze given wet surfaces from all the preceding rain. In addition, an increasing pressure gradient coupled with drier air and cold air advection into the region will likely result in a period of strong gusty winds. The potential for the strongest wind gusts look to be in the typically favored west-southwest flow areas northeast of Lake Erie and Ontario, including the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area over to Rochester. Momentum transfer profiles suggesting these areas will likely see gusts of 50 to 55 mph, perhaps even higher. Wind headlines will need to be considered as the event nears. The incoming colder air will allow for a brief lake response later Friday into Friday night, this will especially be the case east and southeast of a fully open Lake Ontario. A few inches of snowfall is not out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 12z Gfs Straight cutter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 minute ago, wolfie09 said: 12z Gfs Straight cutter.. Ugh, the UP of Michigan is getting hammered with storm after storm. 3 WSW in 1 week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Does the GFS know what it’s doing? Major run to run changes! Let’s see what the FV3 says then the Euro. Even the GEM pops a secondary and gives us a few inches of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-LES FREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Ugh, the UP of Michigan is getting hammered with storm after storm. 3 WSW in 1 week!They deserve a good run in the UP so I'll give my snow up for them and day!Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 34 minutes ago, CNY_WX said: Does the GFS know what it’s doing? Major run to run changes! Let’s see what the FV3 says then the Euro. Even the GEM pops a secondary and gives us a few inches of snow. Op GFS is straight garbage right now...has more personality changes than norman Bates!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Bad Bad model, WOW, perhaps this 1 time it'll be right, lol, but I'll bet against! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wolfie09 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Ukmet nothing like the GFS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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