MNstorms Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Next weekend looks to be chilly. Brrr. Obviously a week away and models overdo it but still something to watch. Please no -40F... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigander Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 From the GRR AFD this afternoon: We will also be watching model trends with a potential clipper on Thursday or Friday followed by extreme cold for next weekend. The ECMWF has been going ballistic the past couple days in painting historical (hysterical?) outbreaks of arctic air across the Great Lakes and surrounding areas. That signal is also in other models but not as strong. Even so, highs around 10 above and lows 10 below are well within the realm of possibilities by the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Glad you started the thread! At the moment, unfortunately, the only time period for which an arctic outbreak is fairly certain in Jan 25-26...and it looks to be short-lived. It's often hard to break daily records with such a short-duration outbreak, due to possibility of getting the high temp at midnight. Various runs of many different models have been occasionally showing the motherload coming down after that...but then it either disappears on subsequent runs, or gets pushed back in time. The 12z Euro from 1/18/19 was the craziest run of all, but it has since backed off significantly. Anyway...here are the upcoming daily records for Chicago. Even though Jan 25-26 seems to be the most certain, I'm including numbers for the rest of January in case the models bring back the arctic outbreak. At this distance, the record with the greatest chance of being broken (and it's still a fairly small chance imo) appears to be the low max of -3 on Jan 26. Daily records (low and low max): Jan 25: -20 (1897); -10 (1904) Jan 26: -16 (1897); -3 (1897) Jan 27: -10 (1955); -1 (1895) Jan 28: -13 (1977); -3 (1966) Jan 29: -16 (1966); -6 (1966) Jan 30: -15 (1966); 3 (2004) Jan 31: -12 (1985); 1 (1971) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveNay Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 hours ago, beavis1729 said: Glad you started the thread! At the moment, unfortunately, the only time period for which an arctic outbreak is fairly certain in Jan 25-26...and it looks to be short-lived. It's often hard to break daily records with such a short-duration outbreak, due to possibility of getting the high temp at midnight. Various runs of many different models have been occasionally showing the motherload coming down after that...but then it either disappears on subsequent runs, or gets pushed back in time. The 12z Euro from 1/18/19 was the craziest run of all, but it has since backed off significantly. Anyway...here are the upcoming daily records for Chicago. Even though Jan 25-26 seems to be the most certain, I'm including numbers for the rest of January in case the models bring back the arctic outbreak. At this distance, the record with the greatest chance of being broken (and it's still a fairly small chance imo) appears to be the low max of -3 on Jan 26. Daily records (low and low max): Jan 25: -20 (1897); -10 (1904) Jan 26: -16 (1897); -3 (1897) Jan 27: -10 (1955); -1 (1895) Jan 28: -13 (1977); -3 (1966) Jan 29: -16 (1966); -6 (1966) Jan 30: -15 (1966); 3 (2004) Jan 31: -12 (1985); 1 (1971) Don't forget tomorrow is the anniversary of the all-time low temperature in Chicago. -27F 1985 I was in 8th grade, but for some reason I don't remember it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XfireLOW Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 There was already widespread -30s in northern mn the last couple days. A few -40s today too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 And I already have the 10F above/10F below thing in GRR's AFD going on right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 hours ago, XfireLOW said: There was already widespread -30s in northern mn the last couple days. A few -40s today too. Nice...and the airmass wasn’t even “extreme”. Just great radiational cooling. INL had lows of -38 and -35 on Saturday and Sunday mornings, respectively. Coldest I could find was -42 at Crane Lake and Babbitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XfireLOW Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I had -32 and-36 at KBDE. It was completely dead calm both nights. If you only had to be out for a short time it really didn't feel that bad. KBDE station is in plain view at the airport, its in a terrible location for super cold low temps. Completely flat terrain kind of a bit higher than surrounding area and not really any trees in the vicinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 With the new snow cover expected in N IL, NWS Chicago has dropped the temps significantly for Friday and Saturday. Now forecasting a low of -12 on Friday morning at RFD, with highs barely above 0 on Friday afternoon. Could see a wind cill advisory soon; I believe the criteria is -20. Could see temps near -30 in northern MN again, but with more wind this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Word has it that today’s 12z Euro has wind chills in the -30s in the Chicago area on days 9-10, with -40s in the upper Midwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 New Euro shows -40s over north-central and northwest IA on the 31st. -30s over much of the rest of Iowa. I know it's pretty far off in la-la land, but I can't remember ever seeing temps that cold before from the Euro in Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Wow! This run shows Cedar Rapids at -32 at NOON. This is probably too incredible to not back off significantly in the coming days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said: Wow! This run shows Cedar Rapids at -32 at NOON. This is probably too incredible to not back off significantly in the coming days. That 00z run after FH108 is one of the most incredible euro runs I’ve ever seen in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, cyclone77 said: New Euro shows -40s over north-central and northwest IA on the 31st. -30s over much of the rest of Iowa. I know it's pretty far off in la-la land, but I can't remember ever seeing temps that cold before from the Euro in Iowa. Yeah that's a bit insane. Record coldest temp here is -38F. Euro has -40F for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 at the Euro. The 6z FV3 also shows the arctic outbreak for Jan 30-31. Not quite as intense as the 0z Euro, but still very cold. Verbatim, it looks like -20s in IA and -30s in MN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 0z Euro H85 temps at Day 7. -30C in northern IA, -35C in northern MN, and the infamous -40C in southern Manitoba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 9 hours ago, hawkeye_wx said: Wow! This run shows Cedar Rapids at -32 at NOON. This is probably too incredible to not back off significantly in the coming days. What is that even? Like a 1 in 200 year event? Even more rare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, Hoosier said: What is that even? Like a 1 in 200 year event? Even more rare? That’s “glacier flattening the land” cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 NWS DLH Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Duluth MN 1145 AM CST Wed Jan 23 2019 .SHORT TERM...(Today through Thursday) Issued at 322 AM CST Wed Jan 23 2019 A very strong cold front will bring strong winds followed by a return to frigid arctic temperatures tonight into Thursday morning. Today will almost certainly be the warmest day until the end of January as arctic air returns this weekend through much of next week. A warm front briefly builds east from the northern Great Plains into the Upper Midwest today with a ridge of high pressure ahead of the front helping to create some weak subsidence that will suppress some of the stratus and associated flurries across the Northland today, leading to a mix of sun and clouds today before clouds increase from the west ahead of the cold front that will move in tonight. Widespread light snow develops along and ahead of the frontal boundary this evening into tonight resulting in up to an inch of so of fluffy snow across far northern Minnesota into parts of northwest Wisconsin. Late tonight into early Thursday morning the greatest impact of this cold front will occur as very strong northwest winds of 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 40 mph roll through northern and central Minnesota due to the very strong pressure and thermal gradient between the seasonable airmass ahead of the front (850mb temps around -5C, surface temps in the teens above zero) to the Arctic air behind the front (850mb temps falling to -25 to -30C, surface temps struggling to reach above zero on Thursday afternoon). The strongest winds will likely only occur for a few hours as the front moves through, with breezy winds of 15 to 20 mph lingering into much of the day Thursday. Skies will clear out from west to east as the arctic surface high builds in from the west on Thursday afternoon, centered over the Dakotas around 18z, building southeast towards Iowa Thursday evening. Surface pressure will increase rapidly with this front, from around 1010mb 06z Thurs to 1025mb 18z Thurs, a ~15mb rise in 12 hours. The cold air will filter in behind the front through the day Thursday resulting in the high temps on Thursday occurring in the morning hours - temps will in the single digits to low teens around midnight, single digits above and below zero at daybreak, then most locations in the single digits below zero Thursday afternoon. As temperatures fall and winds remain breezy, wind chill values will fall to 25 to 35 below zero, likely prompting the need for a wind chill advisory on Thursday. .LONG TERM...(Thursday night through Tuesday) Issued at 322 AM CST Wed Jan 23 2019 The coldest temperatures are yet to come. January will end with continued arctic intrusions, with near-record cold temperatures possible towards the middle of next week. On the synoptic scale the pattern remains fairly consistent over the next seven days with longwave ridge off the west coast and a longwave trough over much of the central and eastern CONUS, which will allow for two distinct rounds of arctic air impacting the Upper Great Lakes as air as cold as -40C tracks south from the arctic circle across northwest Ontario and across northeast Minnesota and Lake Superior resulting in what will likely be the coldest days of the winter yet - perhaps the coldest of this season considering we have just passed the climatologically coldest time of the year. Late this week a round of colder air builds in from the north with low/mid level moisture and the persistent north-northwest winds at low to mid levels leading to a prolonged period of lake effect snow showers along the south shore. Then this weekend, a potent upper low and associated arctic air will track south-southeast across northwest Ontario towards the Upper Great Lakes. While the strongest broad-scale lift and precip chances will be further to the east, this upper low will bring 850mb temps of -35C to -40C to northeast Minnesota, reinforcing the already cold airmass over the region. The surface high pressure associated with this Arctic air will be over central Manitoba late Saturday then weaken as it builds eastward into northwest Ontario on Sunday. To the west, an elongated mid/upper level shortwave trough will track south across the Canadian Rockies into the northern Great Plains, producing strong broad-scale forcing along a warm frontal zone in the Dakotas. This warm front will then build eastward into the Upper Mississippi River Valley, being forced to take a southeasterly trajectory around much of the Northland due to the arctic high over northwest Ontario on Sunday into Monday. Depending on the trajectory precipitation may impact all or none of the Northland as the main shortwave trough axis swings across the Upper Midwest, but chances are likely there will be at least some light snow on Sunday into Sunday night, though the best chance for any measurable accumulating will be greatest across central and southern Minnesota. A brief break from the worst of the cold early next week before another upper low and arctic airmass approach from the north, this time with an origin farther to the west over Manitoba Monday before moving into the northern Great Plains and Upper Midwest towards mid- week. While there will be a chance for some light precipitation associated with this upper low, the primary sensible weather impact will be the frigid cold temperatures this next round of arctic air produces, with temperatures as cold or colder than the Arctic outbreak last weekend. With the very cold air expected, wind chill advisories or warnings will likely be needed nearly every night for the rest of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Thar she blows! That's even more extreme than last night's 00z run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Yikes, and it's only Day 7. Those are sub-486 H5 heights in WI, not thicknesses. That is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwx Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Verbatim the Euro has Fort Dodge Iowa at -44 on Thursday morning. Which is only 3 degrees away from the all time record low temp for the state of Iowa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Taken from the TN sub-forum. The pink area is 48+ degrees below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, beavis1729 said: Yikes, and it's only Day 7. Those are sub-486 H5 heights in WI, not thicknesses. That is insane. Thicknesses are sub 480 dm in the Midwest/Lakes on that run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachLB Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 That's ugly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoboy645 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, hawkeye_wx said: Thar she blows! That's even more extreme than last night's 00z run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Chicago IL 220 PM CST Wed Jan 23 2019 ...Dangerously Cold Wind Chills Possible Thursday night into Friday Morning... ILZ003>006-008-010>012-019-020-240430- /O.NEW.KLOT.WC.A.0001.190125T0000Z-190125T1800Z/ Winnebago-Boone-McHenry-Lake IL-Ogle-Lee-DeKalb-Kane-La Salle- Kendall- Including the cities of Rockford, Belvidere, Woodstock, Waukegan, Oregon, Dixon, DeKalb, Aurora, Elgin, Ottawa, and Oswego 220 PM CST Wed Jan 23 2019 ...WIND CHILL WATCH IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY EVENING THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING... * WHAT...Dangerously cold wind chills possible. Wind chills as low as 30 below zero possible. * WHERE...Portions of north central and northeast Illinois. * WHEN...From Thursday evening through Friday morning. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...The cold wind chills could cause frostbite on exposed skin in as little as 30 minutes. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Wind Chill Watch means there is the potential for a combination of very cold air and the wind to create dangerously low wind chill values. Monitor the latest forecasts and warnings for updates on this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoosier said: Thicknesses are sub 480 dm in the Midwest/Lakes on that run. Lowest I could find was 476dm, in Wisconsin. I hope to god that changes, that is and I quote... 4 hours ago, SchaumburgStormer said: That’s “glacier flattening the land” cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The forecaster who did the DVN long range forecast afternoon was very bullish/borderline geeking out over the prospects for extreme cold... somewhat understandably. Quote Tuesday through Wednesday: In the wake of this system (and the much deeper snowpack that will be in place) this will set the stage for brutally cold arctic airmass to plunge southward into the Midwest. If the ECMWF is correct this may be historic (record) cold as the POLAR VORTEX drops into the Great Lakes region. 850 mb temperatures drop to an incredible -34 to -36c down to northern IL!. The GFS is not as brutal keeping the vortex up towards James Bay with 850 mb temps only to -26c. Either way you look at it this will be extreme cold with record temperatures possible. The grids indicate lows well below zero early Thursday morning, as low as 20 below in our north. However, this is heavily weighted on the GFS model, so if the ECMWF is correct it will be much colder than currently forecast, possibly to 30 below zero or colder ambient temperature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 That is certainly some special cold on the 12z Euro. Even January 2014, February 1996 and January 1994 didn't quite have those kind of 850 mb temps that far south. January 1985 did, and I'm guessing there's probably almost none or no other occurrences on record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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