IrishRob17 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Juliancolton said: My pond is in bad shape this year, but the current weather has little to do with it. The inflow stream got all messed up in the October '05 flooding, and it's been depositing silt into the pond ever since. Then the Tax Day flood started the dam breaking up, with that process nearing its completion. Sad to see after being a thriving fishing hole for at least a century. That sucks, no way to save it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Claus Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said: That sucks, no way to save it? It sounds like there's no dam way it can be saved. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Juliancolton said: My pond is in bad shape this year, but the current weather has little to do with it. The inflow stream got all messed up in the October '05 flooding, and it's been depositing silt into the pond ever since. Then the Tax Day flood started the dam breaking up, with that process nearing its completion. Sad to see after being a thriving fishing hole for at least a century. Interesting. My neighbor upstream had a swimming hole that was allowed to fill in with silt such that it is now mostly marsh and swamp. I've always wondered what it would cost to dredge something like that. I would think it would take an excavator a couple few days to dig plus whatever to haul and dump the mud. Is that 10k, 100k, 500k? the big dam on the pond/lake abutting my property was recently rebuilt with concrete and that thing isnt going anywhere. great fishing in there if anyones interested. can't swim in it because of snapping turtles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Here in the park every few years or so the County rents a track hoe with an extended boom and dredges the Wallkill so that the water can reach the pump intake. I have no idea how much that costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I wonder if ponds that are dreged out, if the DEC has to give approval or if costly permits have to be obtained. The Legoland construction in Goshen has been halted and fines issued a few times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, hudsonvalley21 said: I wonder if ponds that are dreged out, if the DEC has to give approval or if costly permits have to be obtained. The Legoland construction in Goshen has been halted and fines issued a few times. Well if you want to follow the rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I've inquired with a few people, and the consensus has been that when waterways are involved (as opposed to closed bodies of water on your own property), it's a long and expensive process to get DEC approval/oversight. I haven't gotten anything like an official quote, but as best I can tell the whole project would be on the order of six figures. The pond definitely adds value to the property, but I doubt I'd recoup a hundred stacks or more come selling time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said: Well if you want to follow the rules... In my case you can see the whole thing from the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Juliancolton said: In my case you can see the whole thing from the road Do the work this winter when all of the snowbanks around here are 8 feet high... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Yeah now that it's silted in your probably SOL as far as restoring it as a pond but the DEC should be amenable to the stream being restored because that flow is important in a variety of ways. They may even take a look and see what happened upstream and choose to do a full stream restoration at pretty much no cost to you. I've seen it happen several times relating to storm damage. It's possible they'd determine that the pond is also important to regulate that flow so they may choose to do a partial restoration. It might be worth contacting them to see what they say. I was up in the Albany area today, started in Kingston this morning. At that point the weather was beautiful but storm clouds were starting to build over the high peaks. By the time I got to Albany around noon there were storms starting to roll around the Catskills and Adirondacks. When I left the north side of the metro area around 4:30 it was stormy just to the west and it followed me all the way to the Taconic. It drizzled for a minute up in Columbia County but that was it. They got another good soaking from about I90 north though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Juliancolton said: I've inquired with a few people, and the consensus has been that when waterways are involved (as opposed to closed bodies of water on your own property), it's a long and expensive process to get DEC approval/oversight. I haven't gotten anything like an official quote, but as best I can tell the whole project would be on the order of six figures. The pond definitely adds value to the property, but I doubt I'd recoup a hundred stacks or more come selling time. I’d have to agree, although this particular area is completely within my neighbors property. They own the land on both sides of the stream, as do I just downstream from there. This area didn’t just fill in with silt, there were some major flooding events that did the majority of the filling in, especially Floyd (I think that was the one). Tons of rock and gravel were deposited in there from the gravel road which runs by the stream. I’d think the carting away and disposal of the mud would be the most significant part of the cost. You can see the erstwhile swimming hole in this google map image circled in black. When the stream floods, all the gravel from the road circled in blue gets carried into the pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 16 hours ago, Hitman said: I’d have to agree, although this particular area is completely within my neighbors property. They own the land on both sides of the stream, as do I just downstream from there. This area didn’t just fill in with silt, there were some major flooding events that did the majority of the filling in, especially Floyd (I think that was the one). Tons of rock and gravel were deposited in there from the gravel road which runs by the stream. I’d think the carting away and disposal of the mud would be the most significant part of the cost. You can see the erstwhile swimming hole in this google map image circled in black. When the stream floods, all the gravel from the road circled in blue gets carried into the pond. What an awful setup that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 19 hours ago, gravitylover said: Yeah now that it's silted in your probably SOL as far as restoring it as a pond but the DEC should be amenable to the stream being restored because that flow is important in a variety of ways. They may even take a look and see what happened upstream and choose to do a full stream restoration at pretty much no cost to you. I've seen it happen several times relating to storm damage. It's possible they'd determine that the pond is also important to regulate that flow so they may choose to do a partial restoration. It might be worth contacting them to see what they say. I was up in the Albany area today, started in Kingston this morning. At that point the weather was beautiful but storm clouds were starting to build over the high peaks. By the time I got to Albany around noon there were storms starting to roll around the Catskills and Adirondacks. When I left the north side of the metro area around 4:30 it was stormy just to the west and it followed me all the way to the Taconic. It drizzled for a minute up in Columbia County but that was it. They got another good soaking from about I90 north though. Agree with you on contacting the DEC first. They might have some kind of funding that can be applied from past storms or super clean ups . It's easy to say cut the tree down and you can't put it back up (as an example). You can't risk doing it under the radar and pissing off someone up or down stream and them calling in the DEC. You could be slapped with a bunch of fines and legal headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @Juliancolton, when I get back in the office at the end of the month I’ll walk down the hall and talk to some folks and see if I can get you some info/contacts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Juliancolton said: What an awful setup that is. Not exactly a planned subdivision. The old dam downstream on my property is from the 1700s. The big dam further downstream that made the lake was built in the 1800’s to supply water to the croton train station for the steam locomotives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, hudsonvalley21 said: Agree with you on contacting the DEC first. They might have some kind of funding that can be applied from past storms or super clean ups . It's easy to say cut the tree down and you can't put it back up (as an example). You can't risk doing it under the radar and pissing off someone up or down stream and them calling in the DEC. You could be slapped with a bunch of fines and legal headaches. There’s no way to do this surreptitiously. It’s right by a significant roadway intersection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, IrishRob17 said: @Juliancolton, when I get back in the office at the end of the month I’ll walk down the hall and talk to some folks and see if I can get you some info/contacts. Where is it you work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Hitman said: There’s no way to do this surreptitiously. It’s right by a significant roadway intersection. That's a bummer and another complication. Seems like the best option is to go thru the proper channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 20 hours ago, Hitman said: Where is it you work? I work for a governmental planning department. We have various types of planners with specialty areas including environmental planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 This is pretty wild, almost the entire northeast is gonna get wet at some point today with some areas getting totally soaked. The front has already broken up as it is getting to me and it's dry outside with lightning off in the distance. The backside storm line is already collapsing to the southeast and looks like it's going to miss me entirely too. Dry begets dry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Really coming down. .61” in the last 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The rain showers down here in OBX have been incredible, tremendous wind blown downpours, but they always seem to be that way down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Finished with .86”. Soaked. 72/71. Gonna be a sticky one today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 .04. Still dry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Pretty decent flooding on Highway 12 down here, idiots driving too fast, case in point. The water was deep enough in spots that we couldn’t see any of the lines on the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Oh and I’m told I had 1.25” in 30 minutes at home, washed out the driveway yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 5:37 PM, IrishRob17 said: @Juliancolton, when I get back in the office at the end of the month I’ll walk down the hall and talk to some folks and see if I can get you some info/contacts. I'd really appreciate that, thanks! It would be great to get properly informed before I decide how to move forward with it. At some point, the second-hand anecdotes reach a limit in their usefulness... Pretty crazy photo of the flooding down there. NC 12 must spend more time underwater than any other highway in the world. It's incredible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 hours ago, IrishRob17 said: Oh and I’m told I had 1.25” in 30 minutes at home, washed out the driveway yet again. Had .64 last night in a little over an hour and .59 tonight in about 2 hours. Well needed absorbed rain here but without your unfortunate washout rate. Enjoy your time down there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 I got tenths worth this time, .23" yesterday! I've graduated from hundredths It's up to almost a half inch over the last few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I only got .03” the other day but at 3.58” for the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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