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Northern Ocean Co was a screw zone this winter and a partial screw zone in 2022 in that the early Jan event that gave ACY like a foot down to Cape May gave us nothing but virga with a hard northern cutoff. 

This year I have ten inches, storms missed south repeatedly and north. 

Thankfully 1/29/22, I had the Jersey jackpot with 16 inches (I think our poster from Barnegat beat me at 18 though, still I’m not complaining). I would be much …pissy-er without that storm. Cold smoke, 22f, windy, … was a good one. 

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On 2/22/2025 at 5:42 AM, Volcanic Winter said:

Northern Ocean Co was a screw zone this winter and a partial screw zone in 2022 in that the early Jan event that gave ACY like a foot down to Cape May gave us nothing but virga with a hard northern cutoff. 

This year I have ten inches, storms missed south repeatedly and north. 

Thankfully 1/29/22, I had the Jersey jackpot with 16 inches (I think our poster from Barnegat beat me at 18 though, still I’m not complaining). I would be much …pissy-er without that storm. Cold smoke, 22f, windy, … was a good one. 

Haven't had more than 8 inches of snow at a pop here since Feb 2021.   (Jan 22 gave us 6-7-we never got into the hvy snow)   18 YTD here but it stuck around for a long time despite the lack of a big storm.

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4 hours ago, MJO812 said:

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I'm always disappointed in how inaccurate the NESIS storm maps are.  Not just for here, but for example, I can show you photos confirming about 4 feet of snow at around 500 feet elevation in Harriman much of it from the late February 2010 storm (you can also cross ref old PNS reports).

I think I understand the reason locally to be that they relied on one or two observations to cover central LI, with Setauket-Strongs neck having been one of them until fairly recently.  That station didn't always measure even once in 24 hours, plus it is surrounded by water.  

For Rockland County and eastern Orange, there was probably a low snowfall report (possibly accurate for its location) that was overweighted in developing that map.

The maps are useful in approximating a very broad picture of snowfall distribution, but have a lot of the details wrong.  I think there is more data and better tools for abstracting the data into visual maps available than these are utilizing.

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17 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

I'm always disappointed in how inaccurate the NESIS storm maps are.  Not just for here, but for example, I can show you photos confirming about 4 feet of snow at around 500 feet elevation in Harriman much of it from the late February 2010 storm (you can also cross ref old PNS reports).

I think I understand the reason locally to be that they relied on one or two observations to cover central LI, with Setauket-Strongs neck having been one of them until fairly recently.  That station didn't always measure even once in 24 hours, plus it is surrounded by water.  

For Rockland County and eastern Orange, there was probably a low snowfall report (possibly accurate for its location) that was overweighted in developing that map.

The maps are useful in approximating a very broad picture of snowfall distribution, but have a lot of the details wrong.  I think there is more data and better tools for abstracting the data into visual maps available than these are utilizing.

They were off for January 2016 too.

Do they use some sort of computerized mapping device to make these? Perhaps they could feed all the data into it (not leaving anything out) and let the computer use some sort of data smoothing curve to generate a best fit map?

 

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I was just looking at the NESIS page.  If I'm reading it correctly, in a 13 day stretch in 2010 western southern NJ received:

4-10" Jan 29-30

20-30" Feb 4-7

10-20" Feb 9-11th

and it looks like it never got out of the 30s during that stretch.

Is this not amazing?  I've never seen a stretch like that on LI.  Closest to this would be maybe '78 before I could remember.  I don't remember this being discussed much back in 2010, but then again I see we got clocked up here a few times in early 2010 too and I have no recollection of those either.  Probably because they were so darn frequent for so long.

 

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7 hours ago, coastalplainsnowman said:

I was just looking at the NESIS page.  If I'm reading it correctly, in a 13 day stretch in 2010 western southern NJ received:

4-10" Jan 29-30

20-30" Feb 4-7

10-20" Feb 9-11th

and it looks like it never got out of the 30s during that stretch.

Is this not amazing?  I've never seen a stretch like that on LI.  Closest to this would be maybe '78 before I could remember.  I don't remember this being discussed much back in 2010, but then again I see we got clocked up here a few times in early 2010 too and I have no recollection of those either.  Probably because they were so darn frequent for so long.

 

It reminds me of the period between Boxing Day 2010 to the end of January 2011 in  the city and on Long Island.

 

 

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Who wants to feel old?  1993 Storm of the Century was 32 years ago today.

That's more than double the time that elapsed between it and the Blizzard of 78.  That's 2010 in today's terms.

For reference, when the 1993 storm hit, the Lindsay storm had occurred only 24 years prior.  2001 in today's terms.

Put another way, as we tracked the 1993 storm, we'd only been to the moon for the first time 24 years prior as well. 

 

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On 3/13/2025 at 6:03 PM, LibertyBell said:

Talk about records-- on this date in March 1990 it was 85 degrees, on this day in March 1888 it was only 6 degrees !

That 6 might be the March monthly record set right after the big blizzard.

The March 1990 temperature of 85 is close to the monthly record, I think it hit 88 the next day?

 

Continental climate exemplified, subject to the dominant airmass at the time and prone to extremes (I’m talking about NA overall, not Koppen climate zones). We’re lucky though, all things considered. The Chinese coast at our latitude hardly receives any snow, not because of temperature or anything but simply lack of moisture - and there’s no juicy Gulf Stream right offshore ready to amplify storms into bombs. 

I know we often bemoan our deck of cards, but it’s really not bad relative to other comparable locations. We don’t have an enormous snowfall average, but we at least can expect snowfall every winter and have the chance at monstrously powerful cold hurricanes that many places will never experience. 

I was thinking about this even before your post made me reflect on our climate, but we really do have it kinda cool here. 

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1 hour ago, Volcanic Winter said:

Continental climate exemplified, subject to the dominant airmass at the time and prone to extremes (I’m talking about NA overall, not Koppen climate zones). We’re lucky though, all things considered. The Chinese coast at our latitude hardly receives any snow, not because of temperature or anything but simply lack of moisture - and there’s no juicy Gulf Stream right offshore ready to amplify storms into bombs. 

I know we often bemoan our deck of cards, but it’s really not bad relative to other comparable locations. We don’t have an enormous snowfall average, but we at least can expect snowfall every winter and have the chance at monstrously powerful cold hurricanes that many places will never experience. 

I was thinking about this even before your post made me reflect on our climate, but we really do have it kinda cool here. 

Well, I would compare it to Japan and wish we had their climate, look how much snow they get up there on the north coast of Japan!

I love temperature extremes, I hope we get 100 degrees here during the summer at the coast on a nice westerly wind.

 

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