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December 8-10, 2018 Winter Storm

Orangeburgwx

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jm1220

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I would track the 700/850mb lows on the models-where they go determines who mixes and dryslots. If the 850mb low goes over or north of you, expect a significant period of sleet. And mid level warming is often underestimated by models-I would take the warmest mid level forecast and go with that. Surface level warming can be overestimated, so that may set up a nasty area of ZR. Something we get burned with plenty of times up here too. Good luck down there as I may spot a cirrus cloud or two from this later today. Just maybe. Usually these suppressed pieces of crap at least get some cirrus up here. 

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3 minutes ago, Lookout said:

a note on the 3km nam, currently it's running on average about 3 degrees too warm right now here in georgia and in a lot of areas seeing rain. If it held this average error into tonight, temps would get to freezing in gainesville/85 corridor between 0z and 03z where it gets these areas down to 34 by 03z. 

Lookout how do you see zr chances for our area? Northeast ga 

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5 minutes ago, Lookout said:

a note on the 3km and 12km nam, currently it's running on average about 3 degrees too warm right now here in georgia and in a lot of areas seeing rain. If it held this average error into tonight, temps would get to freezing in gainesville/85 corridor between 0z and 03z where it gets these areas down to 34 by 03z. 

Spot on with this. Will be interesting how that trend plays out. Heavy shower came through here and dropped it down to 35.2 and the HRRR just initialized with me at darn near 40.

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1 minute ago, wncsnow said:

Yea breeze is picking up a bit in Danville. I like the spot we are in with the northern trends. Big frosty jackpot again?

If I had to pick a spot to be for this, it would definitely be just south of Roanoke, down I-81 to Bristol and the W NC mountains. You guys should get buried around there. Enjoy! 

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19 minutes ago, SnowDawg said:

Spot on with this. Will be interesting how that trend plays out. Heavy shower came through here and dropped it down to 35.2 and the HRRR just initialized with me at darn near 40.

yeah the hrrr is always...always...too warm in these situations at the surface. With constant rain and the onset of cad, i don't expect any rise in temps across north ga which means by this afternoon the hrrr could  end up being about 5 degrees too warm on average by this afternoon in spots. These 3 to 5 degree biases are right right on average in cad. 

I'm also think they are way too warm sunday night into monday at the surface and 950mb which is in part causing the models to spit out rain instead of snow. What makes it even more unlikely is the fact the models are showing temps rising into the mid to upper 30s at NIGHT with still NE flow. There is some downslope warming possible over parts of far north of ga but for everywhere else I'd be truly shocked if that happened. So don't be surprised if that is snow instead of rain monday in a lot of places. 

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The old GFS looked like it finally had a clue and then suffered from some form of convective feedback issues at 36, whereas at 33 it had the low just south of MYR. It attempted some weird double barrel low type structure at that point. It’s attempting but right now imo is the worst model for this thing. It’s time for high res models but I figured I’d point that out anyway.

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Just posted my final forecast map for this storm....

1262018_WinterStorm-FinalSnowForecast.pn

I remain very concerned about the warm nose for a couple of reasons. In western NC, the warm nose usually seems to move in a little further than expected, and it is not usually at the 850 mb level. It is usually around 750 to 700 mb. Looking at the GFS model, it shows temperatures VERY close to freezing throughout the column in the foothills and western piedmont (Basically areas shaded in yellow). Most winter storms that have this much moisture usually result in sleet or freezing rain at some point. While this does not mean that some areas in the yellow may receive a foot of snow, or more, I do expect sleet to enter into the equation at some point in the triad and Catawba Valley. That is why I hestiated in moving the 10-20 inch line too far outside of the mountains and western facing foothills.

For the mountains, I think they will remain all snow for the entire event. I would not be shocked if some areas receive over a foot of snow in parts of the mountains.

In the eastern part of the state towards Raleigh is another very difficult forecast because of the warm nose and boundary layer temperatures. I may be underestimating areas west of Raleigh; however, any movement in the rain/snow line to the west is possible. Another area where the cutoff will be sharp is in the Charlotte metro, and this is another area where I may have underestimated totals if the rain/snow line sets up a little further south.

I am looking forward to reviewing the data from the UNC-Asheville balloon launches. The first balloon was launched at 15 UTC today and will be launched through Monday at 12 UTC. The information that is gathered from the balloon launch will definitely help us understand how the models are handling the current state of the atmosphere, and it will help nowcast the event as well in western NC.

This has been an amazing storm to forecast, and now we are in a nowcasting situation. I look forward to seeing how this storm plays out.

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3 minutes ago, PackGrad05 said:

I have been really surprised that we have been tracking this system for a week and the models have been so consistent (with only minor variations here and there).  
With that said, I hope it isn't a bust.  If it ends up being a bust (especially for Wake), then I will have a hard time putting stock in the models with systems like this in the future.  Especially after the Jan 2017 debacle.  That's why I'm leaning toward the NAM and high-res models over globals.

You guys have to do the legwork. The models did great getting us to this point identifying how much qpf, h5 setup. This warmnose is barely gonna kiss mby or barely miss. Within 10 to 20 miles of my house it could go from 2 inches to 12+. If your sitting on the fringes,like most of us are, do not buy into 12 to 18 inches of snow. Common sense and the short range cam models are showing the warm nose will be around, so expect to get mixed or changed with sleet, frzng rain possibly. You shouldny feel safe unless your in extreme nw foothills and northern mtns into sw VA. Everyone east of 77 , espeacilly east of 85 needs to expect a visit overhead from the warm nose. Why im watching upper air data, its whats gonna decide the story from this one

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Jet Stream Rider

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14 minutes ago, Poimen said:

A question: I'm wondering if the last few cases of warm noses winning out occurred in conjunction with a similar well-placed CAD? 

 

Its a good question. My general thinking is that this situation is maybe not a great example of well placed CAD just because the air mass is marginal in its coldness.

Also, warm noses are more pronounced with a vigorous slp that is sub 1K and is riding up the coastline. In that case you have strong east or southeast winds that bring an intense warm air temperature advection from the coastal flow.

In this case with the slp being rather weak and having a more suppressed track with a more easterly trajectory, the warm nose is less pronounced and is more associated with the slp air mass itself rather than bringing in a massive amount of coastal air.

My thinking, Mets or others please feel free to correct this.

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4 minutes ago, Orangeburgwx said:
What's this?
County:         All        Selected        -- SC --        Aiken, SC        Bamberg, SC        Barnwell, SC        Calhoun, SC        Chesterfield, SC        Clarendon, SC        Edgefield, SC        Fairfield, SC        Kershaw, SC        Lancaster, SC        Lee, SC        Lexington, SC        McCormick, SC        Newberry, SC        Orangeburg, SC        Richland, SC        Saluda, SC        Sumter, SC        -- GA --        Burke, GA        Columbia, GA        Lincoln, GA        McDuffie, GA        Richmond, GA    
For cities in Orangeburg, SC county
Location Snow Amount Potential Chance of Seeing More Snow Than
Low End
Snowfall 		Expected
Snowfall 		High End
Snowfall 		>=0.1" >=1" >=2" >=4" >=6" >=8" >=12" >=18"
Bowman, SC 0 0 0 2% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Branchville, SC 0 0 <1 10% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Elloree, SC 0 0 0 2% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Holly Hill, SC 0 0 0 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Neeses, SC 0 0 0 2% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
North, SC 0 0 <1 10% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Norway, SC 0 0 0 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Orangeburg, SC 0 0 0 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Santee, SC 0 0 0 2% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Springfield, SC 0 0 0 2% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%

0%

 

I got snowholed...

STOP Posting nonsense 

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Jet Stream Rider

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27 minutes ago, Poimen said:

A question: I'm wondering if the last few cases of warm noses winning out occurred in conjunction with a similar well-placed CAD? 

Also; even with a well placed CAD with very cold air, it will hug the surface and the warm nose will flow right over it resulting in copious sleet or freezing rain. So yeah, the warm nose always wins if it is there at all.

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fv3 still showing a changeover to very heavy snow for a few hours down to gainesville. Nam still says no and only shows a change to freezing rain toward sunrise.  Hrrr still showing a changeover to heavy sleet.  Going to be fascinating to see which model, the fv3 or nam, wins this one. 

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