powderfreak Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Ran a snow survey at 1,500ft and found a lot of snow. Depths in the study plot area were 42-44" with 15" of water. Branching out along the Barnes Camp boardwalk to the Long Trail revealed some 50" depths around the beaver ponds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 As March is in the books and move onward into April, I took a look at where the current season sits among others in my data set. While this season is behind some others such as 2007-2008 and 2010-2011 in terms of total snowfall to date, it is now setting the bar in at least one category: number of storms. The old record for number of accumulating storms during a season was 58 in 2013-2014, but current season has moved right past that number. This season is currently at 61 storms and counting, and for the first time ever, I had to add a fourth column to the data in my AmWx signature image: This season has also been a strong one for snowpack, so it’s also going to come out tops in snow-depth-days for the period of my data set. Average April snowfall at our site would put this season’s snowfall around the 200” mark, but we’ll just have to see how the month plays out. The models definitely show several possible storms with chances for snow right out through mid-month, so it does look like there will be opportunities for additional snowfall on the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, powderfreak said: Ran a snow survey at 1,500ft and found a lot of snow. Depths in the study plot area were 42-44" with 15" of water. Branching out along the Barnes Camp boardwalk to the Long Trail revealed some 50" depths around the beaver ponds. That’s very cool PF, such an impressive amount of water still in the pack. Are you going to run a snow survey at the 3,000’ plot as well? I really hadn’t been back by the boardwalk and those beaver ponds until a couple months back when I did some sidecountry there with my older son. For those that aren’t familiar with the area, I actually labeled Barnes Camp on my map from the day: It’s such an interesting, relatively broad area of the notch, and really cool and accessible when it’s all frozen and covered with snow. It can probably hold the cold quite well. We dropped in from the main entrance near the top of the Sunny Spruce Quad (there’s probably a name for that area, but I don’t know what it is) and generally headed skier’s left. This brought us down among the ponds and the boardwalks, but I guess you can also head to the right and get some of those lines father up in the notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, J.Spin said: This season has also been a strong one for snowpack, so it’s also going to come out tops in snow-depth-days for the period of my data set. Average April snowfall at our site would put this season’s snowfall around the 200” mark, but we’ll just have to see how the month plays out. The models definitely show several possible storms with chances for snow right out through mid-month, so it does look like there will be opportunities for additional snowfall on the season. This season passed 2013-14 for 2nd most last week, currently at 3,098. That's 261 ahead of 13-14 but 737 back of 07-08. My guess for final total is 3,300 or a bit over. Having continuous snow cover begin on Nov. 10 sure piles up the SDDs. Today makes 144 consecutive days with cover, 2 ahead of 13-14 and 14-15, and barring a flood-causing torch-deluge in the near future, that streak should pass 155 before the garden reappears from under the snow. My made-up "retention metric" (SDDs divided by total snowfall) is also tops this year. 2013-14 finished at 28, 2007-08 a tad under 27, but this year it's over 30. That’s very cool PF, such an impressive amount of water still in the pack. Are you going to run a snow survey at the 3,000’ plot as well? Snow-core tubes I've seen in the East look about 6' long - don't think that would reach bottom at 3,000', at least not until a few weeks from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Tamarack is right...the Adirondack Snow Sampler is 60" tall and was fairly useless the last time I went up high with it. The snow is so dense too I couldn't press it into the tube either. So for the time being I'm not gonna take it back up there as even at 3000ft the depth is probably 80" or so. Given this is at the base of the mountain, this tool will be fairly inefficient another 1,500ft up the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Core tubes I've seen (2-3 decades back) were aluminum, with teeth on one end for getting thru crusts, and more like 6' than 5. Worked the same way - hang from the scale (after picking away any dirt/leaves from the business end) and it reads out in SWE inches. Those were being used for the official MEMA surveys. Getting back to your lower elevation sample, looks like the pack is about 35% water. I've read that when it hits 40%, the melting comes more easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 5 hours ago, tamarack said: 1983-84 was only 3rd of my 10 winters there with 171", 15" below both 76-77 and 81-82, but for LE it was tops. Nov-Dec combined had 16" precip and 73" snow, plus 2 ice storms - minor one near T-Day and a bigger one mid-Dec, and we entered the new year with 30"+ and a mid-pack crust that would carry a bull moose. After an average-snow January, early Feb brought a surprise 18.5" overnight dump (forecast was 1-3", FK schools closed, one and only full-day closure we saw up there) that briefly covered the 61" stake. Late Feb thaw compacted things top about 35" before a medium storm brought it back to low 40s ahead of the 26.5" storm of 3/14-15; 65" at the stake, 80" at the northern tip of Maine. No more siggy snows, but wx stayed cool well into April. May then turned out AN with very little rain, and the 15-20" LE melted off w/o a hint of flooding. Thru a silly amount of patience, I took a core from the crust noted above. It was 3" thick, with 1.25" of ZR-annealed IP top and bottom, 1/2" of clear ice in the middle, and 1.90" LE. Good stuff! 80” depth in a fairly low lying area...yikes. Out of curiosity, what was your FK depth on 5/1/84...and when did the snow finally melt (excluding plowed piles)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 5 hours ago, powderfreak said: Ran a snow survey at 1,500ft and found a lot of snow. Depths in the study plot area were 42-44" with 15" of water. Branching out along the Barnes Camp boardwalk to the Long Trail revealed some 50" depths around the beaver ponds. Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 14 hours ago, beavis1729 said: Good stuff! 80” depth in a fairly low lying area...yikes. Out of curiosity, what was your FK depth on 5/1/84...and when did the snow finally melt (excluding plowed piles)? Don't have my Ft. Kent data at hand, but if memory serves, there was an inch or 2 carried into May, the only year that continuous snow cover lasted past April. Not the only May snow cover - in my 1st year (1976) living there, we had 1.5" in 45 minutes on May 7, while I was tilling for a garden. My wife took a pic that showed the color gradient from white to brown, 1st and last tilled. That was 100' from the St. John River at just above 500'; by 1984 we'd moved to the back settlement at 970'. Maine has recorded some impressive depths at modest elevation. In February 2015, with storms pounding eastern Mass and Downeast Maine (and mostly missing MBY), Machias (Downeast) reached 74" depth at 20' elevation after getting 100"+ snowfall in 4 weeks. Back in 1969, Boston's "hundred hour storm" (26.3" there) dumped 43" at the Farmington co-op, at 420' and 6 miles west of our current home, and brought the co-op depth to 84", tallest I've seen in New England outside of mountain sites like Jay Peak, Mt. Mansfield, and Pinkham Notch. This last got 77" from that storm and had 164" pack when it was done. (MWN got 98" but only modest depth as it all blew into Tuckerman Ravine.) That 2/69 storm also brought 56" to Long Falls Dam at 1150', 40 miles north of Farmington, but had no depth recorded until several days after that dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: I saw that Ginx posted this GFS snowfall map in the April thread. I get it that it’s just for ribbing in there, but looking at the latest GFS run as well as some of the other models, there are actually five potential shots of snow in the next ten days up here: one tonight, one Friday, another on Monday, then Wednesday, and then again next Friday. It’s hard to say how these will all sort themselves out, but with the elevations in play, there’s always potential for something interesting around here. I’m sure most folks would rather have the slopes switch right to warm sunny days and corn snow skiing, but an active pattern like that is definitely nice vs. the April doldrums that can sometimes happen, where’s it’s not quite warm enough to really soften the slopes, but we also aren’t getting much in the way of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, J.Spin said: I saw that Ginx posted this GFS snowfall map in the April thread. I get it that it’s just for ribbing in there, but looking at the latest GFS run as well as some of the other models, there are actually five potential shots of snow in the next ten days up here: one tonight, one Friday, another on Monday, then Wednesday, and then again next Friday. It’s hard to say how these will all sort themselves out, but with the elevations in play, there’s always potential for something interesting around here. I’m sure most folks would rather have the slopes switch right to warm sunny days and corn snow skiing, but an active pattern like that is definitely nice vs. the April doldrums that can sometimes happen, where’s it’s not quite warm enough to really soften the slopes, but we also aren’t getting much in the way of snow. No ribbing it ain't over for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: No ribbing it ain't over for you guys. I am two minds about this. Of course I like snow and interesting weather in general but I also like other seasons and am ready to start cleaning the yard and swinging the clubs etc. Of course all the bitching in the world won't change what the weather will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, mreaves said: I am two minds about this. Of course I like snow and interesting weather in general but I also like other seasons and am ready to start cleaning the yard and swinging the clubs etc. Of course all the bitching in the world won't change what the weather will do. Epic if...... of course not to be taken verbatim but it shows something non spring is up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Or maybe it shows the long range GFS on a TT map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Anybody know where the spine is? ha Might be mowing here before Mitch melts out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borderwx Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Not sure what just witnessed. Maybe the first thunderstorm that was simultaneously a complete white out back to blue skies and Spring now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Thundersnow across northern VT. Jay Peak reported closed due to thunder too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borderwx Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Robin’s looked pissed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 A few styrofoam type things blowing around down here too. Didn’t last long but wind has been howling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Lol. 45 and heavy snow squalls here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 hours ago, dendrite said: Or maybe it shows the long range GFS on a TT map. You are probably the most literal person ever. Not a bad thing but boy you must be a hoot to live with. Thats sarcasm. GFS showing winter aint over was the point. TT map looks like the weather.us maps, weatherbell maps and even your 1980s style us.gov map you love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 It's a lock! 18Z GFS gives all of us 12-36" of snow next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, wxeyeNH said: It's a lock! 18Z GFS gives all of us 12-36" of snow next week. Somebody please unplug it. Although that would put me over 200" and that's kinda cool. #notgonnahappen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Not all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Serious squall up near SR Their web cam is wild https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=SPSGYX&e=201904040038 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Snow cover is slowly going. Highest wind gust was 43mph yesterday Lawn mower crew of 21 has been here all day getting the pastures ready for spring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Tomorrow night looks interesting for the higher terrain...maybe even a coating in the valleys. Thermals are real close to a good 3-4" burst in the hills of NNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Tomorrow night looks interesting for the higher terrain...maybe even a coating in the valleys. Thermals are real close to a good 3-4" burst in the hills of NNE. and the 18Z GFS. Gone crazy with snow chances the next 10 days. Those clown maps are ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowBrosForever Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Odd how eastern/central MA and along NH and ME coast not filling in. See what later runs show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 00z EURO ticked a bit colder tonight. Could get the ski areas 2-4" heading into the weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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