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2018/19 Winter Banter and General Discussion - We winter of YORE


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5 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Yup. But even CON doesn't have many. I think they did have a -24F in 09 though.

When did the airport site become the primary obs site? I'm checking out the threaded extremes site and it looks like a ton of their -20 readings were measured with snow up to thy knickers and then even into the 1940s with an abrupt dropoff in the 1950s. 

1994 was epic though. That really stands out for anything post-1940s. Multiple readings. 

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Just now, powderfreak said:

What about a spot like Plymouth, NH?

They do it more frequently in the valley?

Can't find Plymouth on nowdata. North Conway COOP has none since 2006 and CON has 2. Tamworth has at least 6. Franklin Falls Dam near me is in the river valley and they've had 4.

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13 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

When did the airport site become the primary obs site? I'm checking out the threaded extremes site and it looks like a ton of their -20 readings were measured with snow up to thy knickers and then even into the 1940s with an abrupt dropoff in the 1950s. 

1994 was epic though. That really stands out for anything post-1940s. Multiple readings. 

1941

So the -37F was at the airport as well as the -33F in 1984.

We just haven't had that perfect arctic high in place where we pull off a sunny high of 5F with light winds and deep snowcover where CON can just drop off from 4pm onward. The city has built up a bit too, but if they could pull -33F in 1984 I'm sure they could still do it now.

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Just now, dendrite said:

1941

So the -37F was at the airport as well as the -33F in 1984.

We just haven't had that perfect arctic high in place where we pull off a sunny high of 5F with light winds and deep snowcover where CON can just drop off from 4pm onward. The city has built up a bit too, but if they could pull -33D in 1984 I'm sure they could still do it now.

Wow. Yeah so the 1940s were there. Seems like it is quirky there with high pressure location. 

Well, maybe we are returning to 1980s winters given how this year has gone. Might as well make a run at -30. 

The 1984 cold shot is always fascinating to me since it really wasn't that cold in the midlevels relatively speaking. That one set the state record in MA. I'm a bit skeptical of the reading but regardless, it was damned cold. 

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4 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Wow. Yeah so the 1940s were there. Seems like it is quirky there with high pressure location. 

Well, maybe we are returning to 1980s winters given how this year has gone. Might as well make a run at -30. 

The 1984 cold shot is always fascinating to me since it really wasn't that cold in the midlevels relatively speaking. That one set the state record in MA. I'm a bit skeptical of the reading but regardless, it was damned cold. 

-40F in Chester, correct?      Although some sources I see online have it as -35F

They also have the state record for highest at 107F

Is there a long time weenie there?

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8 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Wow. Yeah so the 1940s were there. Seems like it is quirky there with high pressure location. 

Well, maybe we are returning to 1980s winters given how this year has gone. Might as well make a run at -30. 

The 1984 cold shot is always fascinating to me since it really wasn't that cold in the midlevels relatively speaking. That one set the state record in MA. I'm a bit skeptical of the reading but regardless, it was damned cold. 

MWN went into that night with this...

211800Z 30049KT 45SM CLR M32/M36 A//// RMK SLPNO T13221356

When we can radiate near max efficiency while MWN is unsaturated, I find the valleys can drop down near that MWN dewpoint.

Here's the CON hourlies...dropped like a rock

CON,1984-01-21 20:00,KCON 212000Z 31009KT 20SM CLR M13/M24 A3046 RMK SLP325 T11281244
CON,1984-01-21 21:00,KCON 212100Z 32007KT 20SM CLR M13/M25 A3046 RMK SLP325 T11331250 51003
CON,1984-01-21 22:00,KCON 212200Z 00000KT 20SM CLR M14/M25 A3048 RMK SLP333 T11391250
CON,1984-01-21 23:00,KCON 212300Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M19/M25 A3053 RMK SLP350 T11891250
CON,1984-01-22 00:00,KCON 220000Z 07004KT 7SM CLR M23/M27 A3055 RMK SLP358 T12281267 411281294 52030
CON,1984-01-22 01:00,KCON 220100Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M25/M29 A3055 RMK SLP358 T12501289
CON,1984-01-22 02:00,KCON 220200Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M27/M31 A3055 RMK SLP358 T12721311
CON,1984-01-22 03:00,KCON 220300Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M29/M32 A3056 RMK SLP361 T12891322 53003
CON,1984-01-22 04:00,KCON 220400Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M30/M33 A3057 RMK SLP365 T13001328
CON,1984-01-22 05:00,KCON 220500Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M31/M34 A3057 RMK SLP365 T13111344
CON,1984-01-22 06:00,KCON 220600Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M32/M34 A3058 RMK SLP367 T13171339 411281317 52007
CON,1984-01-22 07:00,KCON 220700Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M32/M34 A3059 RMK SLP371 T13221339
CON,1984-01-22 08:00,KCON 220800Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M33/M34 A3061 RMK SLP377 T13331344 59085
CON,1984-01-22 09:00,KCON 220900Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M34/M35 A3061 RMK SLP378 T13391350 51010
CON,1984-01-22 10:00,KCON 221000Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M34/M36 A3062 RMK SLP380 T13441356
CON,1984-01-22 11:00,KCON 221100Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M35/M36 A3063 RMK SLP383 T13501361
CON,1984-01-22 12:00,KCON 221200Z 00000KT 7SM CLR M36/M37 A//// RMK SLP389 T13611372
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2 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

-40F in Chester, correct?      Although some sources I see online have it as -35F

They also have the state record for highest at 107F

Is there a long time weenie there?

I seem to recall that there was some investigation into that at the time and that the observer was caught reporting bogus numbers.  I think they went so far as to setup a thermograph nearby.  I don't remember all the details.

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3 hours ago, MetHerb said:

I seem to recall that there was some investigation into that at the time and that the observer was caught reporting bogus numbers.  I think they went so far as to setup a thermograph nearby.  I don't remember all the details.

Weenies of yore.

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11 hours ago, Chicago WX said:

I'm a mail carrier. It's a great decision. Alas, I'm the only one in my office that has to work today...because they still want collections done. Going to be not fun.

I did not know that's what you did, glad you did not have to work. No USPS for the entire state of Michigan til Friday.

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7 hours ago, dendrite said:

-21F at MSP at noon CST. I haven't gotten below -17F here in 13 years. :lol:

With my microclimate it's hard to empathize with these Temps; they seem pretty ordinary lol. We've been in the -30s multiple times in just the few years I've lived here. Of course that's radiational driven so a different beast. 

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1 minute ago, alex said:

With my microclimate it's hard to empathize with these Temps; they seem pretty ordinary lol. We've been in the -30s multiple times in just the few years I've lived here. Of course that's radiational driven so a different beast. 

Yeah this is real cold. I've been in near -30F with calm winds and it's tolerable. -25F with 20-30mph winds is another level.

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5 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Yeah this is real cold. I've been in near -30F with calm winds and it's tolerable. -25F with 20-30mph winds is another level.

Yes.  I have seen -30F in the NE Kingdom and we were drinking beers and doing snowmobile things...but it was calm.   Add strong winds and it gets ridiculous. 

I have had -18F and -19F at my house.  My wife saw -19F in her car last winter

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6 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

I average between 55-60" so I suppose 24" on Jan 31st isn't quite ratter but it's been a very meh' winter. 

It has been a shitty winter. Great November.  Otherwise it has ratted big time.   Today was great, but between the lack of snow and the cutters this has been the biggest rat in a while

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