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Winter 2018-19 Banter Thread


Ralph Wiggum
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Wxsim with 12z data bumps up snow in NW Chesco to 6" to 8"

Tuesday: Dense overcast. Patchy light fog in the afternoon. A mix of snow,
 sleet, and freezing rain likely in the morning, then a mix of snow and rain
 likely in the afternoon. High 34. Wind southeast around 9 mph in the morning,
 becoming southwest around 4 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 80
 percent. Precipitation (liquid equivalent) mostly around an inch. Snow or ice
 (on ground) accumulation 4 to 6 inches. Little if any freezing rain accumulation.
 
 Tuesday night: Cloudy in the evening, becoming fair after midnight. Patchy light
 fog in the evening. Snow likely. Low 20. Wind northwest around 9 mph, gusting to
 19 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent. Precipitation (liquid equivalent)
 mostly around a quarter of an inch. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches.

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1 minute ago, ChescoPaWxman said:

Wxsim with 12z data bumps up snow in NW Chesco to 6" to 8"

Tuesday: Dense overcast. Patchy light fog in the afternoon. A mix of snow,
 sleet, and freezing rain likely in the morning, then a mix of snow and rain
 likely in the afternoon. High 34. Wind southeast around 9 mph in the morning,
 becoming southwest around 4 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 80
 percent. Precipitation (liquid equivalent) mostly around an inch. Snow or ice
 (on ground) accumulation 4 to 6 inches. Little if any freezing rain accumulation.
 
 Tuesday night: Cloudy in the evening, becoming fair after midnight. Patchy light
 fog in the evening. Snow likely. Low 20. Wind northwest around 9 mph, gusting to
 19 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent. Precipitation (liquid equivalent)
 mostly around a quarter of an inch. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches.

U arent getting 6"+ I'm willing to bet on it. Front is literally racing and you/we are relying on 1)a flip to snow and 2)rapid accumulation with an anafront scenario. 

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By the way if you are a snow weenie imagine how you would feel in Boston with only 1.8" of snow so far this year....our area has had 10x their snow this season.  At Logan Airport they are almost 20" below normal through today. Here in NW Chesco we have had 8 times the snow that Boston has seen so far. I was actually up there this week for a client in Waltham (West of BOS)  and they had about 4" of solid snow/IP on the ground although it was raining and warming. What was on the ground was the only event they have had this year.

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1 minute ago, ChescoPaWxman said:

By the way if you are a snow weenie imagine how you would feel in Boston with only 1.8" of snow so far this year....our area has had 10x their snow this season.  At Logan Airport they are almost 20" below normal through today. Here in NW Chesco we have had 8 times the snow that Boston has seen so far. I was actually up there this week for a client in Waltham (West of BOS)  and they had about 4" of solid snow/IP on the ground although it was raining and warming. What was on the ground was the only event they have had this year.

That is an ugly stat....wow.

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Latest Wxsim with 18z data down to only 4" to 7" of snow but has eliminated any mixing potential and now sees an all snow event

Monday night: Partly cloudy in the evening, becoming mostly cloudy to cloudy
 after midnight. A chance of snow after midnight. Low 27. Wind east-southeast
 around 4 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent. Precipitation (liquid
 equivalent) mostly less than a tenth of an inch. Snow accumulation about a
 quarter inch.
 
 Tuesday: Dense overcast. Patchy light fog in the afternoon. Snow likely. High
 32. Wind southeast around 7 mph in the morning, becoming west-southwest around 3
 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 80 percent. Precipitation (liquid
 equivalent) mostly between half an inch and one inch. Snow accumulation 3 to 5
 inches.
 
 Tuesday night: Cloudy in the evening, becoming fair to partly cloudy after
 midnight. Patchy light fog in the evening. Snow likely. Low 20. Wind northwest
 around 8 mph, gusting to 19 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.
 Precipitation (liquid equivalent) mostly less than a quarter of an inch. Snow
 accumulation 1 to 2 inches.

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16 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Meso guidance (nams/rgem/srefs) are leaning heavily against flipping to snow and accumulation over an inch for many of us in SE PA. The globals are a quick flip to snow with SECS type accums 4-8"+ outside of  'extreme' SE PA along 95 particularly. 

Choose your weapon.....but choose wisely. :axe:

Steve as you know be cautious with MESO at this range....not saying it doesn't happen but a little outside their range....be careful my man

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50 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Meso guidance (nams/rgem/srefs) are leaning heavily against flipping to snow and accumulation over an inch for many of us in SE PA. The globals are a quick flip to snow with SECS type accums 4-8"+ outside of  'extreme' SE PA along 95 particularly. 

Choose your weapon.....but choose wisely:axe:

 

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On 1/27/2019 at 10:27 AM, The Iceman said:

And that's way too broad of a brush. There have been bad weak El Nino's in the past. Not enough attention was paid to the pattern leading into winter imo. The WAR killing us all winter has been in place since summer. The nao had been majority positive. Too many were banking on a magical pattern flip because analog years and "the weeklies" said it would come. 

and people who think la ninas are awful should remember that our best winters have actually come during la ninas that happened after el ninos.

 

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Hard to believe how terrible December and January have been 2016-2019 minus one big freaking storm. It's a four year stretch that would register worse than the 80's if it wasn't for one storm.

* Not that February has been good either in that stretch. The warmest Feb ever is in there.

 

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Most predictable unpredictable LR winter ever. 

Early Dec - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Mid Dec - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Late Dec - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Ealy Jan - everyone is buzzing about the SSWE and 2 week lag time pointing to Jan 15-20 as the epic pattern rollout. Several new 3 and 4-letter indices are being posted with graphs and multi-color charts that only Galileo can decipher but everyone is told this means fasten your seatbelts a wild winter to remember is coming starting mid Jan. Then, weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2 which is mid Jan. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Mid Jan - epic pattern has been delayed but now has a scapegoat to be blamed and it's name is MJO. weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Late Jan - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed.   

I wonder how this story continues? Been an 'epic' novel so far ;)

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1 hour ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Most predictable unpredictable LR winter ever. 

Early Dec - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Mid Dec - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Late Dec - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Ealy Jan - everyone is buzzing about the SSWE and 2 week lag time pointing to Jan 15-20 as the epic pattern rollout. Several new 3 and 4-letter indices are being posted with graphs and multi-color charts that only Galileo can decipher but everyone is told this means fasten your seatbelts a wild winter to remember is coming starting mid Jan. Then, weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2 which is mid Jan. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Mid Jan - epic pattern has been delayed but now has a scapegoat to be blamed and it's name is MJO. weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed. 

Late Jan - weeklies and LR cfs data comes out....pattern looks to take steps towards epic look starting week 2. EPS and GEFS at 12z confirm solid step look days 14+. 18z GEFS even more solid looking. 0z data rolls in.....epic look delayed.   

I wonder how this story continues? Been an 'epic' novel so far ;)

It continues with the weeklies showing a mild and dry spring come March then verifying as a neg nao bringing coastal rainstorm after coastal rainstorm. That is where we are headed. 

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3 hours ago, The Iceman said:

i'd take a 3-6" to rain type storm at this point... this winter is absolutely awful. relatively cold and rainy.

Why not keep the fail going through February, just think you can be the 97yo guy at the senior center talking about the winter of 2019 

 

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