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4 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Yeah, Gfs a little colder like last night's euro..

Unfortunately the system off the coast takes to long to get going, at least in terms of synoptic precip..

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Yeah either way the pattern going forward looks promising for late Nov./Early Dec. Should be lots of potential for synoptic and if we can get some colder air LES. It looks transient though, very up and down with some warm ups in between.

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45 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Here is the 12z Canadian

Looks like some pretty good enhancement/Les on a NW flow, on the backside..

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Still not much cold..Granted the low is right over us lol

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Is the energy onshore yet? If not, there's still time for some changes with better data. 

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Monday Night
Rain showers likely before midnight, then rain and snow showers likely between midnight and 2am, then snow showers likely after 2am. Cloudy, with a low around 32. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Tuesday
Snow showers. High near 35. Chance of precipitation is 80%.
Tuesday Night
Snow. Low around 27. Chance of precipitation is 90%.
Wednesday
Snow likely. Cloudy, with a high near 34. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
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 Models are beginning
to hone in on late Tuesday as the period when bands of LES will form
to the east or east-northeast of the Lakes as 850 hPa temperatures
plummet to around -8 to -10C. A shortwave passing through will
likely oscillate the bands some Tuesday night as they intensify, with
activity then settling southeast of the Lakes Wednesday. Off Lake
Ontario this activity of lake effect snow may even clip the
Rochester area as winds veer to northwesterly.

This northwest flow will maintain cold air through the end of the
period with lake effect snow diminishing as drier air filters into
the lower levels. High temperatures Tuesday through Thursday will be
near the freezing mark.
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Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. The next 10 days look like crap. The models have had a terrible time with long term so far this season. A few days ago the  set up looked like a lock for an EC storm, then it degraded into a weird split flow retro and now it just looks like a mess of weak, random impulses. 

Just gross looking for at very least the next 5 days. Tug might get a few inches...

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.LONG TERM /TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/...
There is high confidence that temperatures will average below
normal...possibly by as much as 10 degrees...during this period.
This forecast is supported by strong consensus among the medium
range ensembles that a large closed low centered over the Upper
Great Lakes at the start of the period will take several days to
`open up` and rotate out across the Canadian maritimes to the
open waters of the North Atlantic.

H85 temperatures over the Lower Great lakes during this period will
average between -8 and -10c...which will certainly be low enough to
support lake snows downwind of both Lakes Erie and Ontario. While
there is some spread in the variance of the steering winds between
the ECMWF and GEFS ensembles...there is the risk for a prolonged
westerly fetch lake snow event. This would target the Tug Hill and
portions of the Southern Tier with several feet of snow...so stay
tuned for refinements in the forecast and possible watches.


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22 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said:

Starting to think outside of the westerly and northwesterly snow belt regions the rest of us will be nickle and dimeing our way to decent snowfalls accumulations

Agreed, and Lake Erie is 3 degrees below normal already. Not going to be a good year, this is what happens when the cold comes too early. Give me 60s until mid November every year. Long range looks like a roller coaster with some decent warmups, so we may hold on to some lake warmth for a little while longer. 

Erie PA is going to have back to back record breaking years. 

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6 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Tough to get that this time of year. Next Sunday looks quite warm, potential at 60 degs.

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That’s ahead of a big storm that cuts through the western lakes. Looks to be warm and wet here. Parts of the high plains and Minnesota could see a blizzard. 

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7 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Tough to get that this time of year. Next Sunday looks quite warm, potential at 60 degs.

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THAT we don't need!!! If the forecast verifies this week with heavy LES in the typical belts then there will be some serious flooding at catt creek and southern tier subsidiaries. Btw what happened to cold start to December??

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