LibertyBell Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, nzucker said: Full list of spotter reports, anyone? I cant even find a full list of airport snowfall info. Im hoping someone will do a comparison of this vs the post Sandy snowstorm, side by side, I want to see which of our airports and spotters did better in this one vs that one and since that was a big surprise also and also happened around rush hour, why didn't that one cause so many issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, nzucker said: Full list of spotter reports, anyone? https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&product=PNS&issuedby=OKX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toekneeweather Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 A picture from Central Park yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Rjay said: https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&product=PNS&issuedby=OKX Thanks RJay. Can you by any chance find the one for the post Sandy storm? I want to compare them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Thanks RJay. Can you by any chance find the one for the post Sandy storm? I want to compare them! The PNS for the November 2012 snowstorm is below: 584 NOUS41 KOKX 082152 CCA PNSOKX CTZ005>012-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078>081-176>179-090848- PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...CORRECTED SPOTTER REPORTS NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY 452 PM EST THU NOV 08 2012 THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE RECENT STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS AND MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR HOME PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/NYC ********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL******************** LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS SNOWFALL OF /INCHES/ MEASUREMENT CONNECTICUT ...FAIRFIELD COUNTY... MONROE 13.5 730 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER SHELTON 10.0 700 AM 11/08 PUBLIC DANBURY 9.9 709 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER NEWTOWN 9.1 827 AM 11/08 PUBLIC RIDGEFIELD 8.5 640 AM 11/08 PUBLIC BRIDGEPORT 8.3 100 PM 11/08 COOP OBSERVER DARIEN 7.9 741 AM 11/08 PUBLIC GREENWICH 6.0 845 PM 11/07 PUBLIC TRUMBULL 6.0 1100 PM 11/07 PUBLIC NEW CANAAN 6.0 525 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER NORWALK 6.0 830 AM 11/08 PUBLIC STAMFORD 5.3 940 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER NORTH STAMFORD 5.2 940 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ...MIDDLESEX COUNTY... MIDDLETOWN 5.0 707 PM 11/07 AMATEUR RADIO DURHAM 4.5 510 PM 11/07 BROADCAST MEDIA WESTBROOK 4.0 700 AM 11/08 PUBLIC HADDAM 3.5 500 AM 11/08 CT DOT ...NEW HAVEN COUNTY... CLINTONVILLE 13.5 526 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER HAMDEN 12.0 551 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER NORTH HAVEN 12.0 145 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER MERIDEN 10.8 718 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER WALLINGFORD 10.0 840 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER NAUGATUCK 9.1 1150 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ORANGE 9.1 723 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER NORTH BRANFORD 9.0 100 AM 11/08 PUBLIC WOLCOTT 9.0 638 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER NEW HAVEN 9.0 708 AM 11/08 PUBLIC SEYMOUR 9.0 830 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER NORTH GUILFORD 8.0 500 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER WATERBURY 6.3 300 AM 11/08 CT DOT BEACON FALLS 5.8 500 AM 11/08 CT DOT ANSONIA 5.5 752 PM 11/07 AMATEUR RADIO BRANFORD 5.0 900 PM 11/07 PUBLIC GUILFORD 4.7 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ...NEW LONDON COUNTY... COLCHESTER 5.0 500 AM 11/08 CT DOT VOLUNTOWN 3.0 717 PM 11/07 AMATUER RADIO NEW JERSEY ...BERGEN COUNTY... RIDGEFIELD 7.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC RUTHERFORD 5.0 200 AM 11/08 NJ TPK AUTHORITY RIDGEWOOD 4.8 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER FRANKLIN LAKES 4.0 1200 AM 11/08 PUBLIC PARAMUS 4.0 200 AM 11/08 NJ TPK AUTHORITY MIDLAND PARK 3.2 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC RIVERVALE 3.0 530 AM 11/08 PUBLIC ...ESSEX COUNTY... NEWARK AIRPORT 6.2 730 AM 11/08 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER MILLBURN 6.0 1015 PM 11/07 PUBLIC NORTH CALDWELL 6.0 600 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER CEDAR GROVE 5.8 1205 AM 11/08 PUBLIC WEST ORANGE 5.5 100 AM 11/08 PUBLIC BLOOMFIELD 4.3 1040 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER ...HUDSON COUNTY... JERSEY CITY 6.0 200 AM 11/08 NJ TPK AUTHORITY HARRISON 5.2 215 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER KEARNY 3.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC SECAUCUS 3.5 200 AM 11/08 NJ TPK AUTHORITY HOBOKEN 3.3 740 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER ...PASSAIC COUNTY... CLIFTON 4.5 200 AM 11/08 NJ TPK AUTHORITY HAWTHORNE 4.5 709 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER BLOOMINGDALE 4.3 1215 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER HASKELL 4.3 1100 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER WEST MILFORD 3.5 230 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER WAYNE 3.0 718 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER ...UNION COUNTY... BERKELEY HEIGHTS 7.5 945 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ELIZABETH 5.4 1200 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER ROSELLE 5.2 718 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER CLARK 4.0 200 AM 11/08 NJ TPK AUTHORITY UNION 3.5 200 AM 11/08 NJ TPK AUTHORITY NEW YORK ...BRONX COUNTY... PARKCHESTER 5.0 555 AM 11/08 PUBLIC RIVERDALE 4.4 1230 AM 11/08 PUBLIC EAST TREMONT 4.1 1220 AM 11/08 PUBLIC CITY ISLAND 3.0 840 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ...KINGS COUNTY... MARINE PARK 4.0 1130 PM 11/07 PUBLIC BAY RIDGE 4.0 625 AM 11/08 PUBLIC SHEEPSHEAD BAY 3.5 1030 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER 1 NNW KENSINGTON 3.0 858 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER ...NASSAU COUNTY... WOODMERE 8.5 838 AM 11/08 PUBLIC ALBERTSON 8.5 830 AM 11/08 PUBLIC NORTH VALLEY STREAM 8.0 634 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER CARLE PLACE 7.4 817 AM 11/08 PUBLIC ROCKVILLE CENTRE 7.0 400 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER HICKSVILLE 6.6 929 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER MALVERNE 6.5 1115 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER BETHPAGE 6.2 630 AM 11/08 NWS EMPLOYEE JERICHO 6.0 741 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER LYNBROOK 5.0 800 AM 11/08 TRAINED SPOTTER NEW HYDE PARK 4.5 1215 AM 11/08 PUBLIC MERRICK 4.4 524 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER WANTAGH 4.1 955 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER GARDEN CITY 3.4 745 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER ...NEW YORK COUNTY... CENTRAL PARK 4.7 700 AM 11/08 CPK CONSERVANCY HAMILTON HOUSES 2.0 1000 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER ...ORANGE COUNTY... WARWICK 4.7 1025 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER HARRIMAN 4.5 925 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER BLOOMING GROVE 4.1 834 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER MONROE 4.1 725 PM 11/07 PUBLIC CORNWALL LANDING 4.0 940 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER TUXEDO PARK 4.0 858 AM 11/08 PUBLIC GOSHEN 3.9 745 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER MIDDLETOWN 3.9 705 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER NEWBURGH 3.0 900 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER NEW WINDSOR 2.6 716 PM 11/07 PUBLIC WASHINGTONVILLE 2.1 834 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER ...PUTNAM COUNTY... MAHOPAC 6.5 815 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER KENT CLIFFS 6.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC BREWSTER 3.5 440 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ...QUEENS COUNTY... BAYSIDE 7.9 748 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER WHITESTONE 7.0 600 AM 11/08 PUBLIC FLUSHING 7.0 1200 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER FRESH MEADOWS 6.5 1100 PM 11/07 PUBLIC HOWARD BEACH 6.0 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER MIDDLE VILLAGE 6.0 1000 PM 11/07 PUBLIC NYC/JFK AIRPORT 4.3 731 AM 11/08 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER ASTORIA 4.2 730 PM 11/07 PUBLIC FOREST HILLS 2.0 734 PM 11/07 PUBLIC NYC/LA GUARDIA 1.1 100 AM 11/08 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER ...RICHMOND COUNTY... GREAT KILLS 6.4 945 PM 11/07 PUBLIC FORT WADSWORTH 3.0 920 PM 11/07 NWS EMPLOYEE ANNADALE 2.8 649 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER BAY TERRACE 2.2 700 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER ...ROCKLAND COUNTY... STONY POINT 2.5 941 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER NANUET 1.0 350 PM 11/07 PUBLIC WEST NYACK 1.0 527 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ...SUFFOLK COUNTY... STONY BROOK 5.8 900 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER RONKONKOMA 5.0 900 AM 11/08 PUBLIC PORT JEFFERSON 5.0 819 AM 11/08 PUBLIC EAST NORTHPORT 4.5 740 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER NORTH BABYLON 4.5 749 AM 11/08 PUBLIC ISLIP AIRPORT 4.2 100 PM 11/08 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER BAY SHORE 4.0 700 AM 11/08 NWS EMPLOYEE CENTEREACH 3.8 916 AM 11/08 NWS EMPLOYEE HOLBROOK 3.5 900 AM 11/08 NWS EMPLOYEE SMITHTOWN 3.5 941 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER WEST ISLIP 2.8 955 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER MOUNT SINAI 2.7 600 AM 11/08 NWS EMPLOYEE SAYVILLE 2.5 730 AM 11/08 NWS EMPLOYEE PATCHOGUE 1.8 1231 PM 11/08 NWS EMPLOYEE LAKE GROVE 1.6 805 PM 11/07 PUBLIC UPTON 1.1 707 AM 11/08 NWS OFFICE ...WESTCHESTER COUNTY... ARMONK 9.5 600 AM 11/08 PUBLIC BRONXVILLE 9.5 816 AM 11/08 PUBLIC SOMERS 9.0 835 AM 11/08 PUBLIC SCARSDALE 7.2 200 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER YONKERS 6.3 944 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER LARCHMONT 6.0 1015 PM 11/07 PUBLIC MOUNT KISCO 6.0 745 PM 11/07 PUBLIC WHITE PLAINS 5.0 900 AM 11/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER OSSINING 4.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC ****************COCORAHS STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL**************** LOCATION 24 HOUR TIME/DATE COMMENTS SNOWFALL OF /INCHES/ MEASUREMENT CONNECTICUT ...FAIRFIELD COUNTY... 3 SSE BROOKFIELD 4.5 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...MIDDLESEX COUNTY... 1 S PORTLAND 6.0 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...NEW HAVEN COUNTY... 2 NW NEW HAVEN 7.2 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 3 ESE MILFORD 6.2 1000 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 2 ENE PROSPECT 5.5 430 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...NEW LONDON COUNTY... 3 WNW OAKDALE 1.3 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS NEW JERSEY ...BERGEN COUNTY... 1 W TENAFLY 7.6 615 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 1 SSE OAKLAND 4.8 645 AM 11/08 COCORAHS WNW OAKLAND 4.2 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...ESSEX COUNTY... 1 NE WEST CALDWELL T 5.0 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 1 NE CEDAR GROVE TWP 3.5 500 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 2 S BLOOMFIELD 3.0 630 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 2 NNE MONTCLAIR 2.8 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...HUDSON COUNTY... N HARRISON 5.2 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...PASSAIC COUNTY... 1 WNW LITTLE FALLS T 5.3 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 1 SSE HAWTHORNE 4.5 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 6 NE WEST MILFORD TW 3.8 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 3 NE WEST MILFORD TW 3.5 500 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...UNION COUNTY... 1 NNW CRANFORD TWP 4.9 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS NEW YORK ...PUTNAM COUNTY... 6 N CARMEL HAMLET 4.5 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 8 NE COLD SPRINGS 4.2 450 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 4 ESE BEACON 3.1 540 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...QUEENS COUNTY... 5 WSW QUEENS 7.0 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...RICHMOND COUNTY... 1 SE STATEN ISLAND 5.6 530 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...SUFFOLK COUNTY... 1 ESE BAY SHORE 4.0 400 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 1 WSW RONKONKOMA 3.5 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 2 NNE NORTHPORT 0.5 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ...WESTCHESTER COUNTY... 1 SW YORKTOWN HEIGHT 6.0 700 AM 11/08 COCORAHS 2 NW SOUTH SALEM 4.3 600 AM 11/08 COCORAHS ***********************PEAK WIND GUST*********************** LOCATION MAX WIND TIME/DATE COMMENTS GUST OF MPH MEASUREMENT CONNECTICUT ...ANZ330... 2 S GROTON 60 300 AM 11/08 MESONET ...MIDDLESEX COUNTY... 1 NNW KILLINGWORTH 44 910 PM 11/07 MESONET ...NEW HAVEN COUNTY... NEW HAVEN 40 735 PM 11/07 ASOS ...NEW LONDON COUNTY... GROTON AIRPORT 45 941 PM 11/07 ASOS NEW JERSEY ...ESSEX COUNTY... 1 N MONTCLAIR 44 1055 PM 11/07 MESONET NEW YORK ...ANZ330... 2 NNW MATTITUCK 52 422 PM 11/07 MESONET BUOY 44039 45 515 PM 11/07 BUOY ...ANZ345... 1 S CAPTREE STATE PA 49 405 PM 11/07 MESONET 2 SSE EAST MORICHES 40 100 PM 11/07 MESONET ...ANZ355... BUOY 44065 42 1050 AM 11/07 BUOY ...ANZ370... BUOY 44025 54 150 PM 11/07 BUOY ...QUEENS COUNTY... NYC/JFK AIRPORT 44 715 PM 11/07 ASOS NYC/LA GUARDIA 43 1051 PM 11/07 ASOS ...SUFFOLK COUNTY... 4 ENE PLUM ISLAND 58 1047 PM 11/07 MESONET 3 W HITHER HILLS STA 54 717 PM 11/07 MESONET 1 SW MONTAUK 53 1204 AM 11/08 MESONET EATONS NECK 53 710 PM 11/07 MESONET 1 ENE MONTAUK HIGHWA 49 830 PM 11/07 MESONET 2 E BELLE TERRE 48 410 PM 11/07 MESONET ISLIP AIRPORT 48 717 PM 11/07 ASOS WESTHAMPTON BEACH AI 48 726 PM 11/07 ASOS MONTAUK 47 714 PM 11/07 ASOS EAST FARMINGDALE 47 459 PM 11/07 ASOS WESTHAMPTON BEACH 47 618 PM 11/07 ASOS EAST HAMPTON AIRPORT 46 655 PM 11/07 ASOS SHIRLEY AIRPORT 44 737 PM 11/07 ASOS 1 ENE OCEAN BEACH 44 320 PM 11/07 MESONET $$ DS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toekneeweather Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Was there any thundersnow with this storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedoman Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Toekneeweather said: Was there any thundersnow with this storm? yes. At my house in Lower Macungie Township PA near Allentown PA at 5:00 am this morning. 3 separate strikes of lightning IT woke me up out of bed and it was vomiting snow at the time as a heavy band set up over the LV. I recorded 9 inches of snow/sleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Wow very comparable in places like JFK and EWR, but the total for LGA was surprisingly low in that earlier storm. It was still king in Nassau County where we had up to 9 inches right down to the South Shore and parts of Central NJ had up to 14 inches! Thanks Don, as far as snowfall totals are concerned, they are very comparable, although the distribution was different, and that one was far less disruptive although equally less well predicted. I think people were still in shock after Sandy so their lives had already been so disrupted that storm could not disrupt them much farther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Albedoman said: yes. At my house in Lower Macungie Township PA near Allentown PA at 5:00 am this morning. 3 separate strikes of lightning IT woke me up out of bed and it was vomiting snow at the time as a heavy band set up over the LV. I recorded 9 inches of snow/sleet How did Carbon County do with this storm? Talking about places like Jim Thorpe, Lehighton, Albrightsville, Lake Harmony, Hazleton, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasiluvsnow Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I am going to post this on another thread also so that I might get an answer. Can any of you tell me what EXACTLY IS the criteria for NYC and or NJ to treat main roads or bridges with Brine or Salt ? I mean when do they treat roads is it once WWA are issued or WSW or sooner ? I realize everyone dropped the ball with this last storm as far as the roads go but under what circumstance or rule do they actually treat the roads ahead of time ? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, Brasiluvsnow said: I am going to post this on another thread also so that I might get an answer. Can any of you tell me what EXACTLY IS the criteria for NYC and or NJ to treat main roads or bridges with Brine or Salt ? I mean when do they treat roads is it once WWA are issued or WSW or sooner ? I realize everyone dropped the ball with this last storm as far as the roads go but under what circumstance or rule do they actually treat the roads ahead of time ? Thanks in advance This link contains relevant information: https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-maintenance/repository/NYS_SI_Manual_Apr2006_RevJan2012.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasiluvsnow Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said: This link contains relevant information: https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-maintenance/repository/NYS_SI_Manual_Apr2006_RevJan2012.pdf Don thanks , I actually googled that and looked at it before I posted there is A LOT of info in there. All I want to know is when do they make the call to treat the roads ? Is there a requirement ? Is it a Gut call ? Does a watch or a warning have to go up/ be issued as I can swear the roads by me have been treated without watches or warnings in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombsAway1288 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I think even if they had pretreated the roads in NYC and surrounding areas the intense rate in which the snowfall came in, it wouldn’t of really mattered. I’ve seen plenty of times where heavy snow at the beginning of an event overcomes the pretreat and the roads get snowcovered, as long as temps are cold (20’s). The real problem I think was that most of the general public wasn’t thinking that much was coming so most everyone just went to work like they normally do and didn’t take mass transit or their job having them stay home like if a big storm was coming. Combine all that with just horrible timing, busses not having chains on them and NY Sanitation not being ready to start at least spreading when it started to stick to the road and build up, and you have a recipe for disaster and that’s exactly what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 15 hours ago, LibertyBell said: How did Carbon County do with this storm? Talking about places like Jim Thorpe, Lehighton, Albrightsville, Lake Harmony, Hazleton, etc.? Most areas you mentioned picked up around 10". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Newman said: Most areas you mentioned picked up around 10". It looks like a foot and a half lol I went there to see how it was and my house up there is snowed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 I wonder if this is a red flag for what will happen later in the season too. I can remember another season where this kept happening over and over again and the models kept correcting snowier with the night time model runs.................. 1993-94. If we see this kind of track and high placement a lot this winter this may end up being like that winter.You’re right, and that’s my All-Time favorite winter. Imagine this: I was 11, and all of the preceding winters up until then throughout elementary school... no snow days.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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