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November 2018 Discussions & Observations Thread


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9 minutes ago, dWave said:

I think you may have just missed the short snow squall. It came through where they inflate the baloons for the parade to the suprise of everyone there.

Your right I was on my lunch break in my shop and ran out when I saw it on radar. But by then it had ended as light rain. 

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Just now, 495weatherguy said:

Do you think this portends for a stormy winter

Stormy Decembers through March have been a given during the 2010's. So I don't see any reason why this this winter into early spring will be any different. But it also means that individual storm details past 120 hrs will be low skill with such an active storm track.

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14 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Stormy Decembers through March have been a given during the 2010's. So I don't see any reason why this this winter into early spring will be any different. But it also means that individual storm details past 120 hrs will be low skill with such an active storm track.

January 9th, 1978 to Feb. 7th, 1978 was probably the stormiest winter period on record for this area...

dates............precip...snowfall

1/08-09/78....1.14".....1.0"

1/13-14/78....1.37".....3.0"

1/17-18/78....1.93".....1.7"

1/19-20/78....1.50"...13.6"

1/25-26/78....2.25"......0...

2/06-07/78....1.13"...17.7"

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5 minutes ago, uncle W said:

January 9th, 1978 to Feb. 7th, 1978 was probably the stormiest winter period on record for this area...

dates............precip...snowfall

1/08-09/78....1.14".....1.0"

1/13-14/78....1.37".....3.0"

1/17-18/78....1.93".....1.7"

1/19-20/78....1.50"...13.6"

1/25-26/78....2.25"......0...

2/06-07/78....1.13"...17.7"

Great stuff!   Just jogged my memory of the January 19/20 storm of that year 

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34 minutes ago, uncle W said:

January 9th, 1978 to Feb. 7th, 1978 was probably the stormiest winter period on record for this area...

dates............precip...snowfall

1/08-09/78....1.14".....1.0"

1/13-14/78....1.37".....3.0"

1/17-18/78....1.93".....1.7"

1/19-20/78....1.50"...13.6"

1/25-26/78....2.25"......0...

2/06-07/78....1.13"...17.7"

While stations like Newark beat that snowfall total from late December to January 10-11, the Jan 78 ice storm was more impressive than any of the 2010's so far. Our snowstorms during the 2010's have been bigger  than earlier eras. But none of the recent ice storms can rival Feb 78 or Jan 94. 

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November 2018 is one of the few Novembers with at least 1" of snow and a cold snap 20 degrees or colder...

year.....snow....min temp

1872.....1.0".....11 degrees

1873.....2.0".....20 degrees

1879.....2.5".....16 degrees

1880.....1.4".....13 degrees

1882...14.0".....20 degrees

1888.....1.5".....17 degrees

1936.....3.2".....18 degrees

1938...12.8".....16 degrees

1955.....1.0".....16 degrees

1967.....3.2".....20 degrees

1987.....1.1".....18 degrees

2018.....6.4".....19 degrees

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13 hours ago, 495weatherguy said:

I remember April 82-but it started to melt the very next day.  I don’t recall the Jan of 82 storm. I don’t remember anything in 87.  Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.  

I do remember storms in 77/78, around first week of February that were big on LI-Feb 83 and then really nothing remarkable until 95/96.  We were snow deprived.  

I must’ve missed a lot, but the frequency of 8 plus inch storms has increased a lot in the last 20 years.   At least put on LI

I've basically been on the low end of most of the storms in recent years, with Jan 2016 being the exception. The Jan 82 storm was the infamous one that brought down the plane into the Potomac in DC.

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12 hours ago, West Mtn NY said:

Keep drinking the kool-aid. LOL. Between the naturally cooling cycle we are entering combined with an extremely quiet sunspot minimum, I'm confident that will overwhelm the 1 extra molecule of CO2 added per 10k molecules of air that is forecast to lead to our planetary demise. 

Pretty sure he's not the one drinking the kool-aid.   

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12 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Seems he'd be skewing the records for his location if he took a measurement from downtown Boston instead because they got more snow.  I think your beef is with the location for a record representing Boston, not with the quality of measurement at that location.

Downtown Boston gets more snow than Winthrop; most of us understand that.

Tbh, I think that most people (at least in this forum) believe that it’s just as equal to take a measurement from Logan compared to downtown. If most people here looked on a map and saw how relatively close Logan was to Downtown Boston they would think that difference would be minimal. There is quite the microclimate there from the shores of Winthrop to the Back Bay of Boston just like the difference from KLGA to KNYC

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The radiational cooling event early Friday could challenge all-time record lows for November if the winds fall off enough. 

November all-time record lows:

EWR....12....1932

ISP......11....1989

JFK......19.....1987 came close today at 20 degrees

HPN....15....1976

FOK......9.....2000...records before 2000 are incomplete so the actual record is probably lower

ACY....11....1989

POU....3......1989

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I wouldn't mind a break in the cold pattern for the week of December 2nd, since that's the big week (6 day firearm season) of the deer hunting season. Not much fun sitting up in a tree in freezing cold weather. Then let it get cold/snowy after that week. But who knows ... long range is very hard to predict. For quite awhile we kept hearing the 1st week of December looked cold and ripe for a snowstorm, and now suddenly we're hearing talk of warmth. Could easily switch back to cold on the models soon. Still too far out.

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2 hours ago, SnoSki14 said:

Start of December looking worse and worse, gfs setting up massive ridge due to very unfavorable Pacific pattern and breakdown of blocking.

Huge bust incoming?

Why do you keep looking at the old gfs? The gefs and the new gfs show something different with snow chances during the 1st week of December which should be the period to watch .

2 hours ago, SnoSki14 said:

Very warm if it's correct, there's support to from the CMC & EPS.

It's not going to be very warm

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7 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Why do you keep looking at the old hrs? The gefs and the new gfs show something different with snow chances during the 1st week of December which should be the period to watch .

It's not going to be very warm

Today's 12z run of GFS shows it warm for the first few days of the 1st week of December, and then cools it off wednesday-thursday. No snow chances on this run. But obviously it's way too far out to take seriously.

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