Burghblizz Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Euro owes us a lot of snow. Dr. No my ass. In the past it would be the model that would sniff out borderline temps that would go wrong. Usually not a bad sign when it’s on your side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burghblizz Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, jwilson said: NWS updated map isn't all that different strangely. Feels like they didn't push snow totals north enough, unless they expect more on the back end of things. I think they are expecting a decent back end thump. That said....at some point it becomes a PR play, and stepping down totals plays better than wiping them completely out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwc Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 rain line almost all the way to youngstown. dang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatwad Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Pittsburgh PA 457 PM EST Sat Jan 19 2019 OHZ049-050-PAZ021-073-WVZ001-200600- /O.CAN.KPBZ.WS.W.0002.000000T0000Z-190120T1500Z/ /O.EXB.KPBZ.WW.Y.0006.190120T0500Z-190120T1500Z/ Harrison-Jefferson-Allegheny-Westmoreland-Hancock- Including the cities of Cadiz, Steubenville, Pittsburgh Metro Area, Murrysville, Greensburg, New Kensington, and Weirton 457 PM EST Sat Jan 19 2019 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 10 AM EST SUNDAY... ...WINTER STORM WARNING IS CANCELLED... * WHAT...A wintry mix changing to all snow. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches and a light glaze of ice accumulation expected. * WHERE...In Pennsylvania, Allegheny and Westmoreland Counties. In Ohio, Harrison and Jefferson Counties. In West Virginia, Hancock County. * WHEN...From midnight tonight to 10 AM EST Sunday. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Plan on slippery road conditions. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Winter Weather Advisory means that periods of snow, sleet or freezing rain will cause travel difficulties. Use caution while driving. Please report snow or ice by calling 412-262-1988, posting to the NWS Pittsburgh Facebook page, or using Twitter @NWSPittsburgh && $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutnOakmont Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 The fact that the models show this exact same setup next weekend is MADDENING. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
north pgh Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, meatwad said: URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Pittsburgh PA 457 PM EST Sat Jan 19 2019 OHZ049-050-PAZ021-073-WVZ001-200600- /O.CAN.KPBZ.WS.W.0002.000000T0000Z-190120T1500Z/ /O.EXB.KPBZ.WW.Y.0006.190120T0500Z-190120T1500Z/ Harrison-Jefferson-Allegheny-Westmoreland-Hancock- Including the cities of Cadiz, Steubenville, Pittsburgh Metro Area, Murrysville, Greensburg, New Kensington, and Weirton 457 PM EST Sat Jan 19 2019 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 10 AM EST SUNDAY... ...WINTER STORM WARNING IS CANCELLED... * WHAT...A wintry mix changing to all snow. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches and a light glaze of ice accumulation expected. * WHERE...In Pennsylvania, Allegheny and Westmoreland Counties. In Ohio, Harrison and Jefferson Counties. In West Virginia, Hancock County. * WHEN...From midnight tonight to 10 AM EST Sunday. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Plan on slippery road conditions. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Winter Weather Advisory means that periods of snow, sleet or freezing rain will cause travel difficulties. Use caution while driving. Please report snow or ice by calling 412-262-1988, posting to the NWS Pittsburgh Facebook page, or using Twitter @NWSPittsburgh && $$ We lead the league in winter storm warnings downgraded to winter weather advisories. and we also lead the league in having the least amount of winter storm warnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwc Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 listening to how hard it is raining is depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChalkHillSnowNut Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, north pgh said: We lead the league in winter storm warnings downgraded to winter weather advisories. and we also lead the league in having the least amount of winter storm warnings. For some reason my WWA turned into a winter storm warning just now for 2-4” snow after midnight lol I’ll believe that when I see it and that’s hardly warning criteria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackngoldrules Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 We lead the league in winter storm warnings downgraded to winter weather advisories. and we also lead the league in having the least amount of winter storm warnings. We move the ball up and down the field but can't punch it in, in the red zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackngoldrules Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 hours ago, cwc said: listening to how hard it is raining is depressing To see a radar that looks like this is just ridiculous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitualOfTheTrout Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Ah... To think it was almost us... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel975 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I'm on the southern edge of Lawrence County, and it's all rain here right now. Those heavy bands must be more north than the SPC's map shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 The wind has picked up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
north pgh Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 hours ago, cwc said: listening to how hard it is raining is depressing I just got back from the movies. Out on McKnight road not a lot of cars. But a lot of rain and hydroplaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryWX Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Steady rain for the last several hours now, well over a 1/3”. Temperature holding steady at 34 all day. Sticking a fork in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
north pgh Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Forecast overnight has gone from 1-2 to less than an inch. I may be salting frozen grass in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB_01 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 In Youngstown for my sisters wedding. Probably 6 inches or so on the ground. It just switched to sleet. Amazing how far the warm air made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj3 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 The euro may be king for other locations but it absolutely sh*t the bed for us on this one. The gfs gets a bad wrap but didn’t flinch. Another thing I find curious is why Mets care about being reactionary. On Twitter they are getting blasted from basically everyone. Even their own semi-colleagues like hosts on the fan are just killing them. What is the big deal about changing your forecast. Why do you have to put out a consistent forecast that doesn’t change. The atmosphere isn’t static so why would a forecast have to be. One thing that definitely frustrates me as this will be referenced the next time we are in the crosshairs for a storm. Sorry for the rant, move to banter if need be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burghblizz Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, dj3 said: The euro may be king for other locations but it absolutely sh*t the bed for us on this one. The gfs gets a bad wrap but didn’t flinch. Another thing I find curious is why Mets care about being reactionary. On Twitter they are getting blasted from basically everyone. Even their own semi-colleagues like hosts on the fan are just killing them. What is the big deal about changing your forecast. Why do you have to put out a consistent forecast that doesn’t change. The atmosphere isn’t static so why would a forecast have to be. One thing that definitely frustrates me as this well be referenced the neft time we are in the crosshairs for a storm. Sorry for the rant, move to banter if need be. I think part of this is on the General Public... First, model runs that used to be our little secret on weather boards 10 years ago are now blasted everywhere. So they become points of discussion when they show big storms. People seem to understand the nature of thunderstorms and that they can be in the forecast, but hit the next town over. They don’t seem to understand that short distances make a difference with snow. They want a firm forecast. So given that fact, they want a forecast that lacks the nuance that some situations need. This one needed it. We all knew that. It Should have been communicated that there was high potential for far different sensible weather with a small shift. I think the NWS discussions did that. But not many read those. Ideally that is communicated and people understand that there are sometimes differences in confidence. So that comes to your point....it those small shifts that make dramatic differences happen, then by all means change the forecast. Don’t step it down gradually. But it really starts with a consumer that understands the situation, and that just isn’t the case. Maybe that becomes less of a factor of models get better. On one hand, it’s incredible that we know there was a big storm coming in the eastern US a week ago. On the other hand, it’s a damn shame they were this bad in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Coming this way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj3 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Burghblizz said: I think part of this is on the General Public... First, model runs that used to be our little secret on weather boards 10 years ago are now blasted everywhere. So they become points of discussion when they show big storms. People seem to understand the nature of thunderstorms and that they can be in the forecast, but hit the next town over. They don’t seem to understand that short distances make a difference with snow. They want a firm forecast. So given that fact, they want a forecast that lacks the nuance that some situations need. This one needed it. We all knew that. It Should have been communicated that there was high potential for far different sensible weather with a small shift. I think the NWS discussions did that. But not many read those. Ideally that is communicated and people understand that there are sometimes differences in confidence. So that comes to your point....it those small shifts that make dramatic differences happen, then by all means change the forecast. Don’t step it down gradually. But it really starts with a consumer that understands the situation, and that just isn’t the case. Maybe that becomes less of a factor of models get better. On one hand, it’s incredible that we know there was a big storm coming in the eastern US a week ago. On the other hand, it’s a damn shame they were this bad in the short term. I agree, on a large scale it’s incredible how well this was modeled really from 7-10 days out. Focusing on our small region it’s incredible how a subtle shift completely changed our outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPITSnow Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mailman said: Coming this way! Problem is, we are dryslotting and the deform band is lifting north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackngoldrules Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, KPITSnow said: Problem is, we are dryslotting and the deform band is lifting north. Yeah, I wonder how much of that is going to be left when it gets to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPITSnow Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Temps are finally dropping..we are close to changing over....and we are getting dryslotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPITSnow Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Dry slot filled in pretty well, and we have switched to very heavy sleet. I’d imagine that road conditions will be truly awful for most of the day tomorrow with bitter temps and a layer of ice. We might even squeeze out a bit of snow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RitualOfTheTrout Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Heavy sleet just changed to snow.. Now it's a race to see if we can get an inch or 2.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPITSnow Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, RitualOfTheTrout said: Heavy sleet just changed to snow.. Now it's a race to see if we can get an inch or 2.. Woah...visibility just dropped to about a quarter of a mile in Bellevue. NWS upped our point and click totals. Would be hilarious if we verified our 4 inches in the most backwards way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PghPirates27 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Heavy snow in Shaler Township. Not sure how long it will last looking at radar. Roads snow covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutnOakmont Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just took my dogs out. Probably about 2" down so far. I'm thinking that's about where we'll stay on the wind down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryWX Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Wrap up: As of 7AM my totals are 1.08" total liquid, 3.0" new snow(0.20" melted liquid), 3.5" on ground. Surprisingly with all the rain the existing snow pack held tough. There was a quick snow burst around noon with a trace that melted quickly on hard surfaces. The rest of the day had light misty rain until 4PM when steadier rain began and continued until the changeover to snow around 2:30 AM. Temperature head steady at 34 until the cold arrived about 3AM. The snow is drifting so the depth is an average of several places, could be +\- a half inch. Currently snow and blowing snow, gusty winds, at 18F. This was a juicy storm, too bad it wasn't all snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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