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Fall/Winter 2018-19 Complaint/Banter Thread


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22 minutes ago, Snowless in Carrollton said:

My only complaint about this storm would be that I didn't see insane rates. I would love to see what it's like to get 1-2" or more per hour.

Stick around long enough, you’ll see it. It’s been a few consecutive bad winters down there. Living near Ft. Wayne for many years growing up, I remember 1-2 decent snows a year and regular snow cover otg for 3-5 weeks a season.

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1 minute ago, Jackstraw said:

If this coming weekend pans out with possible warning criteria fro MN to MO all the way east to the Mid Atlantic and NE one things for sure.  This weather board is going to crash lol.:lightning:

It could lol. Don't really remember seeing or tracking a storm like this since maybe GHD 2011

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11 minutes ago, zinski1990 said:

It could lol. Don't really remember seeing or tracking a storm like this since maybe GHD 2011

Could you please explain to me what makes this system so much different from others we've had in recent years? I get that it might be a more potent storm in terms of wind and all that, but the snowfall doesn't seem much more impressive than this weekend's event. What am I missing? 

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Definitely some amazing numbers showing up over the past few days of model runs. Would like to get this within 10 days before getting too excited, instead of the current 12-14 days. 

Assuming things continue trending this way, I would be ecstatic with a -20 at ORD. I don’t believe this has happened since January 1994. February 1996 and January 2009 came close...and many other nearby areas including RFD did hit -20 during those outbreaks. And, of course, the arctic tundra day of 1/6/2014. -14 at noon local time with wind chills in the -40s and a deep snowpack, but the winds never died down and the skies never cleared...so we only bottomed at -17 IMBY.

At least there are 2 things that are favorable, as it looks now: expected snow cover in N IL and significant cold in southern Canada. Would like to see some snowcover in WI to reduce any possible modification of the airmass, and need to get this within 10 days on most/all of the models. Once that happens, a thread will be coming. :)

Thoughts?

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This is my fifth winter living in MSP and I can now officially say MSP is a snow lover’s hell. Don’t move her if you like snow. Everything either goes north, south, east or west of here. I was hoping this upcoming pattern would get the clipper train going for us... nope. Congrats FSD and ORD. You would have a better chance playing pick up sticks with your butt cheeks than finding a good snowstorm here.*

 

*April 2017 excluded

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45 minutes ago, Younar said:

This is my fifth winter living in MSP and I can now officially say MSP is a snow lover’s hell. Don’t move her if you like snow. Everything either goes north, south, east or west of here. I was hoping this upcoming pattern would get the clipper train going for us... nope. Congrats FSD and ORD. You would have a better chance playing pick up sticks with your butt cheeks than finding a good snowstorm here.*

 

*April 2017 excluded

I hear your frustration.  Look up January 1982 and the Winters of 1995-96 and 1996-97...I believe those were some good times for snow in MSP.  Also, the extreme cold in Feb 1996.

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42 minutes ago, Younar said:

This is my fifth winter living in MSP and I can now officially say MSP is a snow lover’s hell. Don’t move her if you like snow. Everything either goes north, south, east or west of here. I was hoping this upcoming pattern would get the clipper train going for us... nope. Congrats FSD and ORD. You would have a better chance playing pick up sticks with your butt cheeks than finding a good snowstorm here.*

 

*April 2017 excluded

I think you mean April 2018 which was incredible and the snowiest April ever at MSP. Last year was pretty good in my opinion, I believe we finished with over 70”

However it has been really bad here this winter, especially watching the rest of the sub-forum cash in lately.  

Outside the sloppy 2” which transitioned into 0.75” of rain in late December, MSP hasn’t recorded an inch of snow since early December. Only a Trace has been recorded this month. 0.6” is the low bar and honestly the futility record feels in play.

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While were talking about this storm check out what it's going to dump in the sierras according to Reno NWS"s AFD today. https://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/getprod.php?new&prod=XXXAFDREV&wfo=rev Yes that AFD mentions 7 feet (!) on some of the ridge tops. That is a lot of snow. Also 100 mph winds too to add to some more fun into the equation

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57 minutes ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

I think you mean April 2018 which was incredible and the snowiest April ever at MSP. Last year was pretty good in my opinion, I believe we finished with over 70”

However it has been really bad here this winter, especially watching the rest of the sub-forum cash in lately.  

Outside the sloppy 2” which transitioned into 0.75” of rain in late December, MSP hasn’t recorded an inch of snow since early December. Only a Trace has been recorded this month. 0.6” is the low bar and honestly the futility record feels in play.

Yes you are right, April 2018. Last winter started off weak but the back half was epic. The previous 3 winters were mild with minimal snow... in fact my sister in Virginia (the state not the town up north) beat us a couple years. So aside from the second half of last winter, winters have been meager after the ‘13-‘14 icebox. Hopefully the back half delivers this year but long range look pretty dry. Need that clipper track to shift north about 100 miles. 

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1 hour ago, Younar said:

This is my fifth winter living in MSP and I can now officially say MSP is a snow lover’s hell. Don’t move her if you like snow. Everything either goes north, south, east or west of here. I was hoping this upcoming pattern would get the clipper train going for us... nope. Congrats FSD and ORD. You would have a better chance playing pick up sticks with your butt cheeks than finding a good snowstorm here.*

 

*April 2017 excluded

 

1 hour ago, beavis1729 said:

I hear your frustration.  Look up January 1982 and the Winters of 1995-96 and 1996-97...I believe those were some good times for snow in MSP.  Also, the extreme cold in Feb 1996.

One of the great myths believed by general public about Minnesota is that it snows a lot here.  Minnesota has the potential for large snowstorms but outside of the Northeast/Arrowhead where Lake Superior can supply extra moisture, the timing of moisture (from gulf of mexico) traveling north and cold air dropping south from Canada has to be perfect.  More often than not, the cold high pressure dominates.

Years like 95-96, 96-97, 2000-2001, 2008-09, 2010-11, and 2013-14 distort the average yearly snowfall statistics of Minnesota terribly.  I'd be interested to know exactly what the median snowfall is versus the average. Taking it even further the numbers get distorted even more because the biggest snowstorms (large precip) in Minnesota are generally early (pre-thanksgiving) or late (after March 15) due to the cold high pressure dominating Dec-Feb.

 

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10 hours ago, XfireLOW said:

 

One of the great myths believed by general public about Minnesota is that it snows a lot here.  Minnesota has the potential for large snowstorms but outside of the Northeast/Arrowhead where Lake Superior can supply extra moisture, the timing of moisture (from gulf of mexico) traveling north and cold air dropping south from Canada has to be perfect.  More often than not, the cold high pressure dominates.

Years like 95-96, 96-97, 2000-2001, 2008-09, 2010-11, and 2013-14 distort the average yearly snowfall statistics of Minnesota terribly.  I'd be interested to know exactly what the median snowfall is versus the average. Taking it even further the numbers get distorted even more because the biggest snowstorms (large precip) in Minnesota are generally early (pre-thanksgiving) or late (after March 15) due to the cold high pressure dominating Dec-Feb.

 

I think median is about 45 inches. 

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51 minutes ago, DaveNay said:

@King James asked for some perspective on winter storms out in the rural areas of northern Illinois....

Jan 12, 2016

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Wow, I wish I had some pics from GHD I But I was only 13 at the time. In my location in rural Grundy there were several 6’ drifts and I remember getting actually stuck in a few of them lol 

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1 hour ago, DaveNay said:
@King James asked for some perspective on winter storms out in the rural areas of northern Illinois....
Jan 12, 2016
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My man! Thank you for this. I daydream about experiencing this. I’m surrounded by fields for miles. Unfortunately this summer I didn’t catch a real nice lightning show. Looking forward to that as well.




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7 minutes ago, King James said:


My man! Thank you for this. I daydream about experiencing this. I’m surrounded by fields for miles. Unfortunately this summer I didn’t catch a real nice lightning show. Looking forward to that as well.




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Oh, you asked for a lightning storm?

July 13, 2015

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2 hours ago, Stebo said:

There is something deflating about tracking a system for a week only for it to end up as paltry as this will end up. Such a waste of time.

I didn't pay any attention to this system fully expecting a nothing burger. Anything hyped I give less time now if any. I totally ignored everything TWN was showcasing. I'm getting a few flurries from this winter storm and then extreme cold so a lose-lose.

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On 1/17/2019 at 4:34 AM, Younar said:

I think median is about 45 inches. 

Since median is defined as a half-way point for a data set, I listed the "Minneapolis Area" snowfall totals in order (1884-1885 through 2017-2018) and the middle of this chart is the half-way point. The average of this data is 46.3", median could be about 42.8" - 43".

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