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3 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

It would be nice to kick things off earlier this coming winter by getting our first significant/major winter storm prior to Christmas. This may be a bit of a stretch or wishful thinking but I am hoping for a 50"+ seasonal snowfall this winter around here.

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we are coming off two years of la nina winters..these are the other el nino years following at least two la nina winters or weak negatives...as long as the el nino stays weak to moderate the chances for more snow than last winter goes up...except for the super el nino years of 72-73 and 97-98 NYC got at least 50% more snowfall than the previous winters...

season peak oni...DJF oni...NYC snowfall...

1951-52......1.2......0.5...almost double the amount of snowfall over the previous winter...

1957-58......1.8......1.8...almost double the amount of snowfall over the previous winter...

1963-64......1.4......1.1...three times the amount of snow over the previous season...

1968-69......1.1......1.1...50% more snow than the previous season...

1972-73......2.1......1.8...very strong el nino...I doubt this year gets that strong...very little snow fell...

1976-77......0.9......0.7...50% more snow than the previous winter...

1986-87......1.2......1.2...almost double the amount of snow over the previous season...

1997-98......2.4......2.2...very strong el nino...I doubt it gets that strong...very little snow fell...

2002-03......1.3......0.9...10-15 times more snowfall than the previous season...

2009-10......1.6......1.5...double the amount of snow than the previous season...

2014-15......0.7......0.6...double the amount of snow than the previous season...

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2 hours ago, uncle W said:

we are coming off two years of la nina winters..these are the other el nino years following at least two la nina winters or weak negatives...as long as the el nino stays weak to moderate the chances for more snow than last winter goes up...except for the super el nino years of 72-73 and 97-98 NYC got at least 50% more snowfall than the previous winters...

season peak oni...DJF oni...NYC snowfall...

1951-52......1.2......0.5...almost double the amount of snowfall over the previous winter...

1957-58......1.8......1.8...almost double the amount of snowfall over the previous winter...

1963-64......1.4......1.1...three times the amount of snow over the previous season...

1968-69......1.1......1.1...50% more snow than the previous season...

1972-73......2.1......1.8...very strong el nino...I doubt this year gets that strong...very little snow fell...

1976-77......0.9......0.7...50% more snow than the previous winter...

1986-87......1.2......1.2...almost double the amount of snow over the previous season...

1997-98......2.4......2.2...very strong el nino...I doubt it gets that strong...very little snow fell...

2002-03......1.3......0.9...10-15 times more snowfall than the previous season...

2009-10......1.6......1.5...double the amount of snow than the previous season...

2014-15......0.7......0.6...double the amount of snow than the previous season...

Solid post, as always Unc.

If you have the time and willingness to indulge my curiosity, what do things look like in ENSO-neutral years following double-Niña/weak negative years?

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8 hours ago, Eduardo said:

Solid post, as always Unc.

If you have the time and willingness to indulge my curiosity, what do things look like in ENSO-neutral years following double-Niña/weak negative years?

using the oni scale there were four neutral years but were neutral negative for DJF oni number...no neutral positives...

1956-57...

1986-87...

2001-02...

2012-13...

2013-14...second consecutive year...

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19 hours ago, uncle W said:

we are coming off two years of la nina winters..these are the other el nino years following at least two la nina winters or weak negatives...as long as the el nino stays weak to moderate the chances for more snow than last winter goes up...except for the super el nino years of 72-73 and 97-98 NYC got at least 50% more snowfall than the previous winters...

season peak oni...DJF oni...NYC snowfall...

1951-52......1.2......0.5...almost double the amount of snowfall over the previous winter...

1957-58......1.8......1.8...almost double the amount of snowfall over the previous winter...

1963-64......1.4......1.1...three times the amount of snow over the previous season...

1968-69......1.1......1.1...50% more snow than the previous season...

1972-73......2.1......1.8...very strong el nino...I doubt this year gets that strong...very little snow fell...

1976-77......0.9......0.7...50% more snow than the previous winter...

1986-87......1.2......1.2...almost double the amount of snow over the previous season...

1997-98......2.4......2.2...very strong el nino...I doubt it gets that strong...very little snow fell...

2002-03......1.3......0.9...10-15 times more snowfall than the previous season...

2009-10......1.6......1.5...double the amount of snow than the previous season...

2014-15......0.7......0.6...double the amount of snow than the previous season...

I was thinking 2013-14 when I said double the amount than the previous winter...2014-15 still had twice the normal amounts...

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1 hour ago, Snow88 said:

Joe Bastardi

"Major cold stormy winter in the cards

Could simply evolve into it from fall

Extreme of coldest air could wind up over much of the US this winter"

 

Ah man ... 

I tell ya what, perhaps a better forecast for the winter: 

There is a 90% chance that that particular source would report that kind of outlook ... regardless of any leading theoretical indicators.

In his defense... who knows if this is what he really said, or whether it is just some mangled, interpretive "paraphrased" junket of the hoi polloi's lust to hear those words, twisting what he actually said...

Excluding that very real, secondary phenomenon that's leaped onto society as a new force to recon with for a moment, the sentiment, as presented above, is not unheard of or without precedence coming from that particular individual.  

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