HailMan06 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Wow SPC mentioning the D-word as a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hudsonvalley21 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Keep an eye out for the descrete cells out in front of the advancing lines later. That's where most spin ups occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 ...Northeast... Thunderstorms are expected to develop and grow upscale from midday through afternoon, sweeping eastward across the region with the main risk being severe wind. The potential for a well-organized swath of damaging wind -- including a few gusts around hurricane force -- appears greatest over the enhanced-risk area. Large hail also is possible, especially in the first few hours of the convective cycle when storm modes can be more favorably discrete or semi-discrete. A few tornadoes also may occur, whether from supercells or QLCS-embedded vortices. A nonsevere area of convection now moving across western NY and northern PA should reinforce the baroclinic zone across parts of south-central and eastern NY, which should act as a fairly sharp northern delimiter for substantial severe potential, given strongly stable air to its north. The UVV field related to the MCV appears well-timed to encounter the destabilizing warm sector across northern PA today, along and south of the frontal zone, in support of initial development, which then should expand/intensify to severe levels as it moves rapidly eastward toward parts of southern NY, NJ and New England. Whether the resulting convective wind event qualifies as a derecho may be a semantic exercise; impacts could be of that caliber in the area affected. One source of uncertainty in this scenario is an area of outflow to the south, across parts of VA/MD/Delmarva and eastern PA, originating from yesterday's MCS, and sampled peripherally by the 12Z IAD sounding. Airmass recovery is expected from the southwest, around the northwest rim of that outflow pool and south of the morning convective/frontal baroclinic zone. Expect midday to afternoon preconvective destabilization arising from both theta-e advection and diabatic surface heating. 68-70 F surface dew points, such as forecast by the NAM, may be overdone considering the available recovery trajectories, and the nearest dew points that large are 300-400 nm away over NC, on the other side of the outflow pool. Regardless, a plume of EML air advecting over this region will foster steep midlevel lapse rates, overlying strengthening boundary-layer lapse rates and low/mid-60s F surface dew points. That combination still supports peak MLCAPE in the 1500-2500 J/kg range, amidst strong west-southwesterly mean-wind and deep-shear vectors. Forecast soundings suggest that, despite a nearly unidirectional vertical wind profile, effective-shear magnitudes of 45-55 kt may be realized. Downward momentum transfer from strong flow above 700 mb, into a well-mixed preconvective boundary layer, should offer favorable conditions for severe thunderstorm winds. Given the strong westerly component of the near-surface flow, more-unstable inland air may be shunted eastward to very near the coast across much of the region, extending the severe threat accordingly, before the MCS encounters too much stable marine-layer air and weakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 06z 3k NAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Partly sunny here 64 degrees Looking forward to the severe threat later on unless it falls apart before reaching the coast . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Fog burned off more quickly than expected here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 ABC 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Snow88 said: Partly sunny here 64 degrees Looking forward to the severe threat later on unless it falls apart before reaching the coast . SPC discussion indicated that the Westerly flow would help some of the more unstable air reach the coast which is why they extended the enhanced risk further Southeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Very interested to see what happens later on, we've been very active overall since February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriPol Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2-5% chance of tornadoes! Yeah baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, NJwx85 said: SPC discussion indicated that the Westerly flow would help some of the more unstable air reach the coast which is why they extended the enhanced risk further Southeast. That’s what I’m thinking. There isn’t your typical blasting onshore flow. One of the best setups I have seen for western LI. Obviously as you get far enough east there will be overwhelming marine influence. If we can get an organized MCS or ecpecially a derecho damaging winds are likely pretty much area wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Very interested to see what happens later on, we've been very active overall since February. Like with most severe weather events most people will consider it a bust if they don't get a tornado or golf ball sized hail in their backyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 The MCS is in the early stages of development now with the warmed storms in NE Ohio. Racing east at 60 mph. http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/GOES_PA/loop60.html BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED Severe Thunderstorm Warning National Weather Service Cleveland OH 1027 AM EDT TUE MAY 15 2018 The National Weather Service in Cleveland has issued a * Severe Thunderstorm Warning for... Southeastern Portage County in northeastern Ohio... Mahoning County in northeastern Ohio... Northeastern Stark County in northeastern Ohio... * Until 1115 AM EDT * At 1027 AM EDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line extending from near Alliance to near Louisville to Canton, moving east at 60 mph. HAZARD...60 mph wind gusts and nickel size hail. SOURCE...Radar indicated. IMPACT...Expect damage to trees and power lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Pretty good low level wind shear on the soundings. Can't post pics, but a 21z sounding over NNJ on the 3k NAM indicates 15-30kts out of the Southwest below 900mb veering to 40-45kts out of the West between 700 and 900mb and then 50-60kts out of the WNW above 700mb. The hodograph shows the EML nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 the eml is here and there's no debris or crapvection. all systems go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rtd208 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Current temp 82/DP 67/RH 56% Looking good so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 temp rebounded nicely here, 76/66, clear skies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Mesoscale Discussion 423 < Previous MD Mesoscale Discussion 0423 NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1043 AM CDT Tue May 15 2018 Areas affected...Central and northern Pennsylvania into southern New York and southwest New England Concerning...Severe potential...Watch likely Valid 151543Z - 151815Z Probability of Watch Issuance...95 percent SUMMARY...Severe storms are likely to develop over the next several hours from central and northern Pennsylvania into southern New York, continuing into southern New England by late afternoon. Severe wind and hail are likely across all areas, with a few tornadoes possible mainly from northeast Pennsylvania into southern New England. As such, one or more severe and/or tornado watches will be needed today. DISCUSSION...Surface analysis shows a cold front across northwest PA into OH, with a pre-frontal trough across central NY into central PA. A progressive area of early-day thunderstorms has produced outflow across much of southern NY to near the northern PA border. Satellite imagery shows strong heating is occurring across the warm sector, with a plume of mid to upper 60s F dewpoints spreading north across PA and NJ, and likely into southern NY later today. In addition, the aforementioned outflow will continue to modify, while likely maintaining some degree of enhanced low-level wind shear this afternoon. Thunderstorms currently exist along the cold front from western PA into western NY, and should continue a gradual increase in intensity as the air mass destabilizes to the east. In addition to these storms, other storms are expected to form near the surface trough, and perhaps atop the old outflow boundary. Deep-layer shear will favor cellular activity away from the cold front, while a mixed storm mode including bows or embedded supercells are possible along the front. Strong heating and steep lapse rates aloft will favor large hail, with an increasing damaging wind by the time storms organize into a line. Any cellular activity will be capable of large hail, perhaps very large, along with a few tornadoes where low-level shear is maximized. ..Jewell/Grams.. 05/15/2018 ...Please see www.spc.noaa.gov for graphic product... ATTN...WFO...BOX...BTV...OKX...ALY...PHI...BGM...BUF...CTP... PBZ... LAT...LON 41207956 41757860 42017778 42427653 43007519 43357429 43487323 43337286 43047268 42567254 42027277 40857517 40327672 40177764 40197865 40467927 40797963 41207956 Top/All Mesoscale Discussions/Forecast Products/Home Weather Topics:Watches, Mesoscale Discussions, Outlooks, Fire Weather, All Products, Contact Us NOAA / National Weather ServiceNational Centers for Environmental PredictionStorm Prediction Center 120 David L. Boren Blvd. Norman, OK 73072 U.S.A.[email protected] Page last modified: May 15, 2018 DisclaimerInformation QualityHelpGlossary Privacy PolicyFreedom of Information Act (FOIA)About UsCareer Opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I think the area in red has a chance at getting an upgrade to moderate risk and also a possible tornado watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purduewx80 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 last few runs of the HRRR showing 60-80KT just above the surface with the line coming thru NYC. makes sense given where convection is developing now for a bow/qlcs to take direct aim. i do think there will be a few tornadoes, but as SPC says the most favored is along the boundary in the northern part of where you've circled, just N of NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drz1111 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 This is as good a setup as I can remember for NYC severe. Yum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, forkyfork said: the eml is here and there's no debris or crapvection. all systems go Some of the best midlevel lapse rates that our region has seen on May 15th. We finally have the big missing ingredient from warm season convection in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, Drz1111 said: This is as good a setup as I can remember for NYC severe. Yum. I am hoping this is the start of many good severe weather/heavy rain events for our area this warm season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drz1111 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rtd208 said: I am hoping this is the start of many good severe weather/heavy rain events for our area this warm season. well as long as you have that Hudson bay low and the ridging over the plains, we've got a shot. Basically like an atmospheric river of barely-modified EML from the High Plains. I can't stop gazing longingly at the 7.7 degree 700-500 lapse rate showing up on the model soundings. Swoooooooon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purduewx80 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 good call NJWX....about to upgrade to MDT almost exactly where you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 One of the most complete setups I can recall for this area. Only limiting factor I can think of is the marine influince close to the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriPol Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Drz1111 said: This is as good a setup as I can remember for NYC severe. Yum. Similiar to July 2011? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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