Snow bomb obs March 21

[codfishsnowman]

9 hours ago, henry1978 said:

Great memory Will.

An icing event took place the Sunday am after the Friday storm, and before that the Tuesday day/Tuesday night/Wednesday all day snow storm. This was during an era when big snowstorms weren't occurring as often as they do today.  Most of eastern MA had double digits for both events sandwiched in between a bright and sunny, but cold Thursday with temps in the 25-33 degree range. No one in SNE was expecting a snowstorm in SNE the next day, friday.  It really wasn't even discussed on the local tv stations on thursday except the chance of light snow and flurries.  All hell didn't break loose with the forecast until the late evening model runs just before the 11pm newscasts.  So many people spent hours on the highways because no one really knew the storm was coming.  This is one of those rare storms where the jackpot was down near new Bedford instead of Foxboro/Sharon/Worcester/interior Plymouth county.

Monday-Thursday after the storm was cold with daily temps in the 20s, then we had at least three days with temps soaring to near 60 or perhaps above each day.  I remember driving with the windows open and deep snow on the ground.  There were no coastal seabreezes either.  The South coast temps even spiked on all these days.  The snowcover was gone in most areas after the end of the torch. Roughly a week later we had a snow event that turned to ice in many areas.  I remember Todd Gross during a today show cut in, saying snow on X day, and it could be heavy with vintage todd gross exuberance.  About 5 inches fell in boston although more was forecast.  The next event occurred a few days later, a clipper and that dropped several inches of fluff on most of SNE.

The early March event had plenty of lead forecast time.  This event had more build up than any event that winter.  But it didn't meet expectations and was a warmer event than originally thought.  Boston changed to rain, and had about 6-7 inches of snow.  I'm sure Worcester and metrowest had upwards of ten inches or maybe more.  The next winter was a total dud, an epic dud with pretty much only one snowstorm in early February, dumping ten plus on NYC, a change to rain in a good part of RI and SE MA with 6-9 in these areas, and 10-15 along 128 towards Worcester where it stayed all snow.

Great memory! I had about 8-9 inches from that first Feb 94 storm and remember that Sunny cold cobalt blue sky Thursday so well. I knew there was another great slug of moisture getting ready to come north east but all guidance had it missing most of SNE. I remember thinking to myself "if only we could get back to back snowstorms" and then that night the storm was forecast to come close enough for 3-6 and the morning of was 6-10. I had about 8 from that one too and the depth was around 15 inches. What an awesome week of winter weather that was.

You are so right too about the relative lack of bigger events save the March storm the year before which put down about 16 inches where I lived but I remember thinking how amazing it was to see deep snow back to back years like that. Winters from 1989-1992 plus much of the 80's prior did a lot of damage to some of us weenies lol

[codfishsnowman]

2 hours ago, henry1978 said:

Todd did some work in the rather uneventful winter of 2006 at a tv station in springfield after he was escorted out of channel 7 in December 2005. That winter he also had a weather website, including a cape and islands weather website.  If I remember correctly immediately following his termination he went online with his own site and did a far better job predicting the December 9 2005 snow and epic wind burst than pete bouchard.  Todd never spoke on the record about his departure from channel 7 and he was never seen nor heard again on boston tv.  The Globe and herald each did stories about it, as did some boston tv news blogs at the time that no longer exist.

His departure really bothered me.  I had been watching him basically my whole life and loved his enthusiasm for snow and his weatherman on steroids delivery.  

I began touching base with him in the summer of 2006, hoping he could work at the NBC start up they were creating known as NBC weather plus.  Nothing came of that, and some time later he got the job I believe at the abc affiliate in salt lake city. The website of this station I don't recall being very good and I don't remember being able to view his forecasts there on a daily basis online.  

He initially called the perfect storm Halloween horror.  Some of the post storm newscast from November 1 1991 is on youtube.  Remarkably channel 7 didn't open that day's noon newscast with storm coverage!  That would never happen today.  Imagine Massachusetts essentially getting a hurricane and the next day the CBS affiliate doesn't open with storm coverage.  Weather events weren't as dominant back then as they are today in local tv news.  

The tropical update on twc was either 48 or 50 minutes past the hour, as was the winter storm update in the winter.  I forget what time the Michelin driver's report ran but it educated me on the nation's interstates.  To this day I rarely use gps when traveling because of the Michelin driver's report.  The days inn five days business planner ran at twenty minutes after the hour.  I never liked weather and your health.  I liked the European forecast which ran a few times a day.  Half the kids probably have no idea what we're talking about.  The same commercials ran every day.  Colombian coffee.  the richest coffee in the world.  Hand picked by juan baldez.  How can I forget the business traveler's forecast.  Cable and graphics were in their infancy back then.  very innocent, very simple.

I used to go on his web site all the time that winter! I thought he was great. Who knew there was so much drama behind it all lol

[#NoPoles]

I will always be on the losing side of this argument because the female demographic is sorely lacking from this community. There are specific aspects of the preceding conversation that are highly offensive, mostly from 1 community member. You have no idea how many times I've let things go, and not made a "fuss". When I do voice my concerns, they basically get brushed aside. I'm sure I've caused more than one awkward moment where,  you pretend not to notice me, hoping my concerns and my "crusade" will fade back into the woodwork, and the conversation will get back to normal.

Status quo.

We all know that this community has a subsection of members who everyone holds in high regard. I keep hoping that these posters would realize what a great position they are in to be a catalyst for change. 

I'm not stupid, it's easier to pretend something doesn't exist. It's so much easier to not go against the grain and ruffle anyone's feathers.

But, I have witnessed many of you take a stand against racial inequality, or socio-economic inequality, or religious inequality. But when it comes to gender inequality and the perversion of gender stereotypes, it gets eerily quiet in here. 

The biggest hurdle women face when it comes to success and equality is the male gender. 

Is it hard and uncomfortable to acknowledge because you are men and you feel like if you admit that the male gender has continuously campaigned to suppress the female gender, that all men are guilty of that perversion? 

I'm not an evil feminazi, and do not ascribe to crucifying an entire subset based on the sins of the few.

But...nothing will ever change, if nothing changes. I wish I had more support from this community.

What makes one injustice worth fighting for But not another? 

 

 

 

 

[weathafella]

1 hour ago, #NoPoles said:

I will always be on the losing side of this argument because the female demographic is sorely lacking from this community. There are specific aspects of the preceding conversation that are highly offensive, mostly from 1 community member. You have no idea how many times I've let things go, and not made a "fuss". When I do voice my concerns, they basically get brushed aside. I'm sure I've caused more than one awkward moment where,  you pretend not to notice me, hoping my concerns and my "crusade" will fade back into the woodwork, and the conversation will get back to normal.

Status quo.

We all know that this community has a subsection of members who everyone holds in high regard. I keep hoping that these posters would realize what a great position they are in to be a catalyst for change. 

I'm not stupid, it's easier to pretend something doesn't exist. It's so much easier to not go against the grain and ruffle anyone's feathers.

But, I have witnessed many of you take a stand against racial inequality, or socio-economic inequality, or religious inequality. But when it comes to gender inequality and the perversion of gender stereotypes, it gets eerily quiet in here. 

The biggest hurdle women face when it comes to success and equality is the male gender. 

Is it hard and uncomfortable to acknowledge because you are men and you feel like if you admit that the male gender has continuously campaigned to suppress the female gender, that all men are guilty of that perversion? 

I'm not an evil feminazi, and do not ascribe to crucifying an entire subset based on the sins of the few.

But...nothing will ever change, if nothing changes. I wish I had more support from this community.

What makes one injustice worth fighting for But not another? 

 

 

 

 

Diane, you have to be specific here.  If I said something unwittingly gender offensive I’m sorry.  Or if I didn’t recognize whem someone else’s post could be I apologize.  But you have to let people know specifically if the rest of us are ignorant.  Please.

[CoastalWx]

This thread was discussing former TV mets? Unless there was something in another thread...I think Henry had a few cocktails last night.

[ursa99]

2 hours ago, #NoPoles said:

I will always be on the losing side of this argument because the female demographic is sorely lacking from this community. There are specific aspects of the preceding conversation that are highly offensive, mostly from 1 community member. You have no idea how many times I've let things go, and not made a "fuss". When I do voice my concerns, they basically get brushed aside. I'm sure I've caused more than one awkward moment where,  you pretend not to notice me, hoping my concerns and my "crusade" will fade back into the woodwork, and the conversation will get back to normal.

Status quo.

We all know that this community has a subsection of members who everyone holds in high regard. I keep hoping that these posters would realize what a great position they are in to be a catalyst for change. 

I'm not stupid, it's easier to pretend something doesn't exist. It's so much easier to not go against the grain and ruffle anyone's feathers.

But, I have witnessed many of you take a stand against racial inequality, or socio-economic inequality, or religious inequality. But when it comes to gender inequality and the perversion of gender stereotypes, it gets eerily quiet in here. 

The biggest hurdle women face when it comes to success and equality is the male gender. 

Is it hard and uncomfortable to acknowledge because you are men and you feel like if you admit that the male gender has continuously campaigned to suppress the female gender, that all men are guilty of that perversion? 

I'm not an evil feminazi, and do not ascribe to crucifying an entire subset based on the sins of the few.

But...nothing will ever change, if nothing changes. I wish I had more support from this community.

What makes one injustice worth fighting for But not another? 

 

 

 

 

Looks like your post killed what was for me a very enjoyable discussion.

I think you are in the wrong forum for that type of discussion.  I've gone back 5 pages and the only thing I can see that might offend you is that the discussion was 99% about male mets.  If that is the case there was nothing stopping you from voicing your opinion regarding female mets.  OTOH I am only speculating since your post was generic in condemning the male gender of this forum.  Specifics would go a long way toward helping.  Dropping a bomb on a lively discussion isn't the way to go.  Starting a new thread would be.

The subset of posters here who make up 90% of the daily discussion have provided a wealth of knowledge and humor and weather history not to be found elsewhere and I value each of them for doing so. 

Your generic post condemning the male community does little to advance your cause.  If you have something to say, say it....not couch it in generalities that leaves us all wondering what the heck is the problem.

[dendrite]

I'm assuming Diane is referencing Henry1978's posts about TWC hiring women in tight shirts that shop at boobs r us. I think that's a little unfair. They had some good female mets back then. Terri Smith, Sharon Resultan, Jodi Saeland, and Jill Brown seemed to really know their stuff. Wherever you look on TV, sex sells for ratings.

[CoastalWx]

15 minutes ago, dendrite said:

I'm assuming Diane is referencing Henry1978's posts about TWC hiring women in tight shirts that shop at boobs r us. I think that's a little unfair. They had some good female mets back then. Terri Smith, Sharon Resultan, Jodi Saeland, and Jill Brown seemed to really know their stuff. Wherever you look on TV, sex sells for ratings.

I missed that, but I have the attn span of about 5 lines of material too. 

[ursa99]

1 hour ago, dendrite said:

I'm assuming Diane is referencing Henry1978's posts about TWC hiring women in tight shirts that shop at boobs r us. I think that's a little unfair. They had some good female mets back then. Terri Smith, Sharon Resultan, Jodi Saeland, and Jill Brown seemed to really know their stuff. Wherever you look on TV, sex sells for ratings.

It's pretty clear that attractive women dominate the Female mets.  Just look at a google search.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Women+Weather+Forecasters&FORM=RESTAB

I am 99% sure they got their jobs mostly because of their looks.  Yes, I said it.  Sex sells and it is more likely that viewers will watch someone who is attractive than someone who is not.  Now these females didn't have a choice about the looks they were born with but DO have a choice how they dress.  They dress to attract attention/ratings and they do.  Are we to be punished for enjoying the show?  

>Is it hard and uncomfortable to acknowledge because you are men and you feel like if you admit that the male gender has continuously campaigned to suppress the female gender, that all >men are guilty of that perversion? 

Thank you Dr. for telling us how we feel.  BTW, how do you know how we feel?

>I'm not an evil feminazi, and do not ascribe to crucifying an entire subset based on the sins of the few.

>...the male gender has continuously campaigned to suppress the female gender,...

You just did. 

 

[henry1978]

Diane, you're one of the most popular and respected members on this site.  Please don't be offended by my thoughts in the field of on camera weather forecasting.  To be fair my thoughts and opinions have been borne out by ratings and ad dollars over the last half century.

To be blunt women have not distinguished themselves in the field of on camera meteorology, and or on camera weather forecasting for non degreed broadcasters such as highly successful weather presenters like sam champion who do not have degrees in meteorology or atmospheric sciences.  Television news executives have bent over backwards over the years to give women opportunities in prime weather slots but the audience has not always responded.  In 1986 Channel 12 in Providence demoted prime time forecaster John Flanders in favor of the weather channel's Gay Dawson.  Gay was a petite southern belle with high energy.  Her time in the Rhode Island/Attleboro/Fall River/New Bedford tv market was a disaster and she was out of there within a year.  John flanders was reinstalled.

Channel 4 demoted bruce schwoegler in 1986 from prime time to mornings.  They replaced him with a guy named dave murray who used to read his forecast off a teleprompter and if late night model runs shifted Murray didn't edit the script in his teleprompter.  If this were occurring in Boston today Jay Kenney would make a citizens arrest.  When Murray left the station and went to st. louis where he remains today, WBZ screwed bruce again.  They hired Nancy Russo from the abc affiliate in Washington, dc in December 1989 to be prime time MET.  She didn't distinguish herself and Bruce was shortly reinstalled in primetime shortly thereafter.  

In the mid 1990s Channel 7 wanted to hire a woman to forecast the weather on the weekends.  They wanted to hire a minority.  They brought in Vivian Brown.  They sought Harvey Leonard's opinion.  Harvey did not think it would work out.  They hired Mish Michaels instead and she did well.  I don't remember who Mish replaced at channel 7 in 1994.

In March of 1997 a moderate snowstorm was forecast to hit NYC and SNE.  Janice Huff was new in the job as the prime time MET at NBC's most powerful local station, Channel 4 New York WNBC.  The models that came out prior to the 11pm broadcast showed the snow threat completely diminishing.  Yet, Janice huff didn't change her 6pm 4-8 NYC snow forecast.  She embarrassed herself.  It didn't affect her position.  She's been the prime time MET at WNBC ever since, worked over a decade as the weekend meteorologist on WEEKEND TODAY and has had a successful career.  But if my life were on the line and I needed an accurate forecast I would place a call to Harwich in CAPE COD, MA over Janice Huff.  If my life were on the line and I needed an accurate snowfall measurement instead of calling Janice Huff I would place a call to Wilmington, Massachusetts.

Diane is right to be mad that women have been exploited on television in America.  Aaron Spelling was the first to do this with ABC on Charlie's angels.  Guess what?  The American people didn't seem to mind.  The angels and particularly Farrah Fawcett became American icons and the show shot up to #4 in the nielsens.  People weren't tuning in to witness the crime fighting abilities of Jaclyn Smith nor were they tuning in to hear John Forsythe's voice.  They were tuning in because the three women were good looking, just like they were tuning in because they thought Suzanne somers was pretty the next year in 1977 when threes company became number two in the ratings and we kept seeing Chrissy Snow jiggle around the tv set. 

The weather channel began exploiting women in the mid 1990s by having the women wear so much makeup.  They began ratcheting this up years later and started putting steph abrams in tee shirts when covering hurricanes. They also have men wear tight shirts.  On many days only a hundred thousand people watch the weather channel during the mid day, compared to 1.6 million on FOX and 800/900 on CNN and MSNBC.  At 9pm 2.8 million people watch Hannity, 2.7 million people watch Maddow and 1.1 million people watch Anderson cooper.  TWC has a fraction of this audience.  This is why they will do anything to add eyeballs.

[henry1978]

49 minutes ago, ursa99 said:

It's pretty clear that attractive women dominate the Female mets.  Just look at a google search.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Women+Weather+Forecasters&FORM=RESTAB

I am 99% sure they got their jobs mostly because of their looks.  Yes, I said it.  Sex sells and it is more likely that viewers will watch someone who is attractive than someone who is not.  Now these females didn't have a choice about the looks they were born with but DO have a choice how they dress.  They dress to attract attention/ratings and they do.  Are we to be punished for enjoying the show?  

>Is it hard and uncomfortable to acknowledge because you are men and you feel like if you admit that the male gender has continuously campaigned to suppress the female gender, that all >men are guilty of that perversion? 

Thank you Dr. for telling us how we feel.  BTW, how do you know how we feel?

>I'm not an evil feminazi, and do not ascribe to crucifying an entire subset based on the sins of the few.

>...the male gender has continuously campaigned to suppress the female gender,...

You just did. 

 

Sex sells in magazines, sex sells in movies, sex sells on pornhub but it doesn't always sell in tv news and weather.  Tv news viewers more often than not want competence and likeability.  The vast majority of tv anchors, reporters and weather forecasters at top ten local tv stations in this country are hot.  Hotter than ever.  Both males and females.  But local tv ratings continue to go do down across the board.  Jay Leno beat David Letterman like a rented mule in the ratings although the critics loved dave and hated Jay.  Andover's own, and now Newport's own Jay Leno is homely.  Bill O"Reilly dominated the competition.  Homely AF.  Oprah was big as a house.  yet She destroyed Phil Donahue.  Phil's ratings dropped so low the poor guy started showing up to work in a dress.  When it comes to world of mass media the people in charge could care less whether you're a man or a woman.  All they want to do is hire people who can make them the most money.  And if you're a man, a woman, or a man turning yourself into a woman, then so be it.

[ursa99]

1 hour ago, henry1978 said:

Sex sells in magazines, sex sells in movies, sex sells on pornhub but it doesn't always sell in tv news and weather.  Tv news viewers more often than not want competence and likeability.  The vast majority of tv anchors, reporters and weather forecasters at top ten local tv stations in this country are hot.  Hotter than ever.  Both males and females.  But local tv ratings continue to go do down across the board.  Jay Leno beat David Letterman like a rented mule in the ratings although the critics loved dave and hated Jay.  Andover's own, and now Newport's own Jay Leno is homely.  Bill O"Reilly dominated the competition.  Homely AF.  Oprah was big as a house.  yet She destroyed Phil Donahue.  Phil's ratings dropped so low the poor guy started showing up to work in a dress.  When it comes to world of mass media the people in charge could care less whether you're a man or a woman.  All they want to do is hire people who can make them the most money.  And if you're a man, a woman, or a man turning yourself into a woman, then so be it.

>...But local tv ratings continue to go do down across the board.

This may be true but more likely due to the ability to get news and weather from streaming or apps on their mobile devices. 

I still think given a choice males will watch hot females and females will watch hot males.  It is just the way we are all built.  Can't change DNA.  How males act alone with a woman and then with a crowd of other men is very different.  You all know it.  

BTW, what ever happened to Diane?  She drops a bomb then no further discussion. Still waiting for specifics that caused that post.

[STILL N OF PIKE]

 

1 hour ago, ursa99 said:

>...But local tv ratings continue to go do down across the board.

This may be true but more likely due to the ability to get news and weather from streaming or apps on their mobile devices. 

I still think given a choice males will watch hot females and women will watch hot males

I would say being a huge weather fan, i dont care if a donkey is giving me the weather dressed in a table cloth. I want someone with energy passion tremendous insight and forecasting skill. One of the female mets i thought did really well was Mish Michaels.

I dont turn in to the weather channel to look for babes, i turn for storm coverage. I want most knowledgeable people period.

Now if your living in San Diego and the weather is boring. What sort of meteorologist will give you the best ratings, what will get half or more the audience to stop and watch? I don't know the answer but my guess is they have to have a knowledgeable presence and they would look good. If people cant deal with that they mine as well hate human nature and CAPITALISM. 

 

[STILL N OF PIKE]

Im prolly in the minority based on peoples posts about him but i always liked Tim Kelly forecasts on Necn. Seemed knowledgeable to me, good energy, good delivery.

 

He sometimes made strange longer term predictions based on his pattern recognition of summer time patterns and potential  partially to get viewers and ratings up waiting for a storm.

Also I did like watching Bruce , presence and energy. Yes he talked things up, his radar was always juiced up. Cant say he didnt have passion for weather.

[henry1978]

35 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Im prolly in the minority based on peoples posts about him but i always liked Tim Kelly forecasts on Necn. Seemed knowledgeable to me, good energy, good delivery.

 

He sometimes made strange longer term predictions based on his pattern recognition of summer time patterns and potential  partially to get viewers and ratings up waiting for a storm.

Also I did like watching Bruce , presence and energy. Yes he talked things up, his radar was always juiced up. Cant say he didnt have passion for weather.

I agree.  Tv viewers prefer broadcasters with a fast rate of speech like Eric Fisher.  And Tim Kelley doesn't have a fast rate of speech but he's knowledgeable and he's an expert on the SE new England microclimate, and many of his peers do not have his expertise on this part of the forecast area.

Bruce could be a jerk.  When I was a kid I called him up.  I corrected something he had been saying.  He didn't take too kindly and called me an s.o.b. and hung up on me.  At the time I did not realize that some tv personalities have huge egos and do not like being critiqued even if they are wrong.  Regardless, I too liked Bruce.  He was the lead guy at channel 4 during the 70s and first half of the 80s when wbz was getting monster ratings and just about everyone within 75 miles of soldiers field road knew who he was.  People forget the Celtics during the first half of the larry bird era used to be on wbz.

Bruce got demoted for the final time when channel 4 replaced him with ed carroll.  He finished up his career on weekend mornings and was never seen again on boston tv.  They should have kept him at least several more years.  He reached legendary status and he has been missed.  Many people in New England have fond memories of bruce schwoegler.  They had a great team with liz walker, jack Williams and bob lobel.  I always thought bob lobel was by far the best sports anchor in town and it's too bad his final few years were marred by so many rumors of alcoholism.

[STILL N OF PIKE]

6 minutes ago, henry1978 said:

I agree.  Tv viewers prefer broadcasters with a fast rate of speech like Eric Fisher.  And Tim Kelley doesn't have a fast rate of speech but he's knowledgeable and he's an expert on the SE new England microclimate, and many of his peers do not have his expertise on this part of the forecast area.

Bruce could be a jerk.  When I was a kid I called him up.  I corrected something he had been saying.  He didn't take too kindly and called me an s.o.b. and hung up on me.  At the time I did not realize that some tv personalities have huge egos and do not like being critiqued even if they are wrong.  Regardless, I too liked Bruce.  He was the lead guy at channel 4 during the 70s and first half of the 80s when wbz was getting monster ratings and just about everyone within 75 miles of soldiers field road knew who he was.  People forget the Celtics during the first half of the larry bird era used to be on wbz.

Bruce got demoted for the final time when channel 4 replaced him with ed carroll.  He finished up his career on weekend mornings and was never seen again on boston tv.  They should have kept him at least several more years.  He reached legendary status and he has been missed.  Many people in New England have fond memories of bruce schwoegler.  They had a great team with liz walker, jack Williams and bob lobel.  I always thought bob lobel was by far the best sports anchor in town and it's too bad his final few years were marred by so many rumors of alcoholism.

Why dont they hire the micro machine man if they prefer the fast rate of speech. Why is that preferred?

Who was the wbz News reporter women they would throw out in the middle of a snow storm for 5 hours back in the 90's. 

"Here is so and so still braving the elements,". 

 

[henry1978]

Just now, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Why dont they hire the micro machine man if they prefer the fast rate of speech. Why is that preferred?

Who was the wbz News reporter women they would throw out in the middle of a snow storm for 5 hours back in the 90's. 

"Here is so and so still braving the elements,". 

 

She was another new England legend although she was from the pacific NW.  She was at channel 4 for decades.  Shelby Scott!

[STILL N OF PIKE]

Growing up in Raynham , i usually watched some channel 10 or 12. (PVD)

Went with my mom To meet Tony Petraca in the news station. That was cool. I didnt follow him like the Boston guys but i wasn't really glued to Art Lake. If a large storm approached i would be concerned about his blood pressure lol.

[STILL N OF PIKE]

Most weenies during the news took the remote. We got as Much weather as possible without missing our favorites. We knew the times they were on each channel. The mad flip flopping back and forth for me if 4,5,7 all were on haha.

[wxeyeNH]

I may have missed it in this thread but no one has mentioned Matt Noyes.  Seems very knowledgeable.  Very passionate.  I just don't watch much TV anymore but he seems like a good Met.  Thoughts?

[Cold Miser]

Holy crap.  Henry's detailed knowledge of all things involving tv mets is mind boggling and almost scary.  I never thought I would ever see such detailed history like I am seeing here.

I wish I knew more about what Dianne was having issue with.  Like Scott my attention span is usually a page or 2 back, but since Dianne's comment I went a bit deeper and am just not sure what she was getting at.

[#NoPoles]

It's something that most have a hard time sympathizing with because you probably have never experienced it. And based on the responses, it's quite clear that some of you don't even want to try to understand. 

But I don't get it because most of you are married or have girlfriends and daughters and you speak so highly of them. I guess I will never understand why you don't understand. I guess it makes me more sad, than anything. If you won't stand up for women you don't know, why won't you stand up for your wives or girlfriends or daughters. Maybe you don't realize because women don't just talk about the crap that we have to face at work, at school, from strangers as we walk down the street. But guaranteed the women that a you love or who are important to you have been harrassed at work, or school, or walking down the sidewalk. Or been prevented on some level at work/school from finding the same level of success as their male counter parts. All based on gender...it is maddening, infuriating, sad, depressing, hopeless, tiring...makes me want to give up. I do know how else to describe it, how else to explain, how else to make you see that it's important that you see. It is so important to your daughters. Because if you don't see, you will unknowingly raise them to just accept their fate, and not fight for what they deserve. You will unknowingly raise them to believe that they aren't as important as their male counterparts, and they should just keep their mouth shut, accept it as the status quo, and be ashamed of making waves. 

If you have daughters, it is so important that your daughters know you have their back. Snowmiser, is the only father in here willing to talk about all the ways  he encourages his daughter and he probably doesn't even realize just how important his actions are.

 

 

 

[#NoPoles]

And to the poster who complained I derailed a nice conversation...my sincerest sarcastic apologies...however this is a thread for the March 21st snowbomb obs...so clearly you were staying on topic

[henry1978]

1 hour ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Growing up in Raynham , i usually watched some channel 10 or 12. (PVD)

Went with my mom To meet Tony Petraca in the news station. That was cool. I didnt follow him like the Boston guys but i wasn't really glued to Art Lake. If a large storm approached i would be concerned about his blood pressure lol.

I'm not even sure if the cable systems in the Raynham/Taunton/Middleboro areas carry the Providence channels anymore.  When I was a kid the Providence stations used to reference the towns in Ginx's area in NE CT and these towns in interior SE MA north of Fall River up to Raynham.  It's officially known as the Providence/New Bedford market but this was designated many, many years ago before the south coast of Massachusetts hit ****z creek economically.  Channel 6 in its early days used to be headquartered in New Bedford.  During the 80s the Providence stations used to have Massachusetts bureaus.  The last fifteen years or so the Providence stations have spent less time discussing SE MA so I'm guessing once you get too far beyond Attleboro you only get boston stations.  If you live in interior SE MA and have cable and get Providence stations please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Providence stations still cover Fall River and new Bedford but not all that much.  Advertisers want to run spots for wealthier viewers and the wealthiest part of the PVD tv market is in eastern Rhode Island along both sides of the bay up into the city of PVD and ending near where Cory lives in ne RI.

When I was a child in rhode island Providence didn't have an independent station so I used to watch all the independent boston stations like 25, 38 and 56 even though they were fuzzy, in order to watch the brady bunch and the family feud during the day instead of soap operas on the PVD network affiliates.  I fell in love with weather in 1983, pre cable, and started watching the boston channels for the weather and sports.  Channel 5 came in really bad, but 4 and 7 were decent enough. I was six watching six channels a night during the winter and we had a few big snowstorms during this time frame. I would turn the knob furiously on the old console tv and would usually be able to watch of at least five forecasts.  My family used to scream at me telling me not to watch the boston stations.  

We got cable in 1985 clear as a bell and for the first time in my life was able to clearly see what dick albert, Harvey leonard and bruce schwoegler looked like. The Celtics moved from channel 4 to 56 that year and 56 had a weak signal, so with cable I could see all the road games clear as a bell.  The next season we ordered sportschannel so I was able to see every Celtics game from 1986 on.  In 1990 our cable system took many boston stations away from us and Rhode Island permanently lost channel 5, 25, and 4.  They kept channel 7, 56, and 38.  In the mid 90s we lost channel 7, but gained channel 4.  By the turn of the century cox cable permanently removed all boston channels from rhode island cable systems.  But 35 years later I have distinct, albeit a bit fuzzy, memories of the big three boston weather guys.  I used to talk about albert's almanac in fifth grade and none of the kids had any idea what I was talking about in RI.

[henry1978]

43 minutes ago, #NoPoles said:

It's something that most have a hard time sympathizing with because you probably have never experienced it. And based on the responses, it's quite clear that some of you don't even want to try to understand. 

But I don't get it because most of you are married or have girlfriends and daughters and you speak so highly of them. I guess I will never understand why you don't understand. I guess it makes me more sad, than anything. If you won't stand up for women you don't know, why won't you stand up for your wives or girlfriends or daughters. Maybe you don't realize because women don't just talk about the crap that we have to face at work, at school, from strangers as we walk down the street. But guaranteed the women that a you love or who are important to you have been harrassed at work, or school, or walking down the sidewalk. Or been prevented on some level at work/school from finding the same level of success as their male counter parts. All based on gender...it is maddening, infuriating, sad, depressing, hopeless, tiring...makes me want to give up. I do know how else to describe it, how else to explain, how else to make you see that it's important that you see. It is so important to your daughters. Because if you don't see, you will unknowingly raise them to just accept their fate, and not fight for what they deserve. You will unknowingly raise them to believe that they aren't as important as their male counterparts, and they should just keep their mouth shut, accept it as the status quo, and be ashamed of making waves. 

If you have daughters, it is so important that your daughters know you have their back. Snowmiser, is the only father in here willing to talk about all the ways  he encourages his daughter and he probably doesn't even realize just how important his actions are.

 

 

 

Diane, our buddy Brett is a young white male and he is having a difficult time finding a job.  In some respects and some sectors of our economy there are more opportunities for females and minorities compared to white males.  Many companies employ age, veteran, race and gender based affirmative action.  White males sometimes are casualties with these kinds of hiring practices.  Some of these rules are written, and unwritten.

Granted, there aren't as many opportunities for women in weather forecasting but women are kicking major azz in so many facets of American life.  Barbara Walters became co anchor of the abc evening news in 1976.  She failed miserably and was kicked out of the anchor chair by 1978.  Connie chung failed miserably when paired with dan rather from 1993-1995.  Rather had her thrown out of the anchor chair.  Katie Couric failed miserably when replacing dan rather in 2006.  Diane sawyer underachieved in the anchor chair and lost to brian Williams at nbc. The dirty little secret was that women didn't watch women deliver the news nationally and, that women didn't vote for women.

Thing are changing in a big way.  Cable news is now more influential than broadcast network news.  Rachel Maddow is kicking butt and is tied with sean Hannity in overall viewers and is number one in the advertiser coveted younger demo.  And come November on election night we will have more women serving in congress than at any time in our nation's history.  So, women in America are doing very, very well.  November 8th 2016 was a big wake up call in this country for women.

[#NoPoles]

We are not equal. Have things improved from when my mother was my age? Yes.  Do things still need to improve? Yes. 

I'm never going to graciously accept or agree with the idea that women are the lesser or weaker gender. If you feel that way, you are the one with a problem, not me.

However,  I feel in here it is a lost cause, and I've pretty much flogged the death right out of my horse.

God speed...

[henry1978]

2 minutes ago, #NoPoles said:

We are not equal. Have things improved from when my mother was my age? Yes.  Do things still need to improve? Yes. 

I'm never going to graciously accept or agree with the idea that women are the lesser or weaker gender. If you feel that way, you are the one with a problem, not me.

However,  I feel in here it is a lost cause, and I've pretty much flogged the death right out of my horse.

God speed...

You're not being fair to anyone here.  Except for my boy Pickles no one here likes me.  Everyone likes and respects you.  You can play in the big leagues with the boys as well as anyone can and you have for years.

No one here has said that women are the weaker gender.  Are women weaker physical, absolutely.  But that's about it.  I'll trust the judgment, mental toughness, and intelligence of a woman over a man more often than not.  

[Hoth]

57 minutes ago, #NoPoles said:

We are not equal. Have things improved from when my mother was my age? Yes.  Do things still need to improve? Yes. 

I'm never going to graciously accept or agree with the idea that women are the lesser or weaker gender. If you feel that way, you are the one with a problem, not me.

However,  I feel in here it is a lost cause, and I've pretty much flogged the death right out of my horse.

God speed...

I don't think anyone is implying women are weaker, save perhaps on average in a newtons-of-force per muscle fiber sense. Nor do most--a few mental midgets excepted-- consider women as a "lesser" form of human. I honestly don't know how women arrived at this conclusion that men somehow think less of them. If anything I think most men put women on an unhealthily high pedestal. Frankly I find it extremely offensive when women stereotype all of us as misogynists, as if we're all cut from the same cloth as Harvey Weinstein. It's especially degrading when you hear people say that men have to be taught not to rape. I've heard that several times in TV interviews recently.  Imagine harboring the assumption that we men are all just mindless animals with no scruples whatsoever whose only raison d'être is to gratify our impulses, so much so that we have to take some sort of remedial reeducation course on basic human decency. Sometimes it just makes one welcome the idea of extinction.

And sure there isn't parity in the corporate world yet, at least not at the C-suite level, but it's probably just a matter of time. My former company was one of the bigger mutual funds and we had a female CEO and CFO. Women atop the ladder in what was once the ultimate boys' club. Women now greatly outstrip men in undergraduate and grad school attendance in many fields and are often given preferential treatment in admissions at top business programs. If women want a crack at corporate life, take it, say I! I can't imagine the appeal beyond the pay. 80-100 hour weeks, constant travel, brutal stress, hypertension, never seeing your kids if you have any, the knowledge that if you screw up once your board will kick you out the door. I'll gladly throw open the C-suite for you, if you in turn will agree to equitable treatment in divorce proceedings. A fair shot at custody, not taking 50% or more of our hard earned assets, plus alimony. You see the way the courts treat men and you begin to understand why Robin Williams did himself in. 

Anyway, it's a real shame how gender relations continue to go down the tubes.  One sees why more and more people are choosing not to date at all.

[ursa99]

1 hour ago, #NoPoles said:

And to the poster who complained I derailed a nice conversation...my sincerest sarcastic apologies...however this is a thread for the March 21st snowbomb obs...so clearly you were staying on topic

Hey thin skinned.  I accept your sarcastic apology.

BTW, has anyone found out exactly what was bothering Diane?  Was it a specific post or a specific thing in a post?  I suppose we are left to guess and I'm 100% sure we will guess wrong.  

[henry1978]

2 minutes ago, Hoth said:

I don't think anyone is implying women are weaker, save perhaps on average in a newtons-of-force per muscle fiber sense. Nor do most--a few mental midgets excepted-- consider women as a "lesser" form of human. I honestly don't know where women have arrived at this conclusion that men somehow think less of them. If anything I think most men put women on an unhealthily high pedestal. Frankly I find it extremely offensive when women stereotype all of us as misogynists, as if we're all cut from the same cloth as Harvey Weinstein. It's especially degrading when you hear people say that men have to be taught not to rape. I've heard that several times in TV interviews recently.  Imagine harboring the assumption that we men are all just mindless animals with no scruples whatsoever whose only raison d'être is to gratify our impulses, so much so that we have to take some sort of remedial reeducation course on basic human decency. Sometimes it just makes one welcome the idea of extinction.

And sure there isn't parity in the corporate world yet, at least not at the C-suite level, but it's probably just a matter of time. My former company was one of the bigger mutual funds and we had a female CEO and CFO. Women atop the ladder in what was once the ultimate boys' club. Women now greatly outstrip men in undergraduate and grad school attendance in many fields and are often given preferential treatment in admissions at top business programs. If women want a crack at corporate life, take it, say I! I can't imagine the appeal beyond the pay. 80-100 hour weeks, constant travel, brutal stress, hypertension, never seeing your kids if you have any, the knowledge that if you screw up once your board will kick you out the door. I'll gladly throw open the C-suite for you, if you in turn will agree to equitable treatment in divorce proceedings. A fair shot at custody, not taking 50% or more of our hard earned assets, plus alimony. You see the way the courts treat men and you begin to understand why Robin Williams did himself in. 

Anyway, it's a real shame how gender relations continue to go down the tubes.  One sees why more and more men are choosing not to date at all.

Robin Williams lived an amazing life.  he didn't want to live life as an invalid which was his fate since he was suffering from lewy body dementia.