JerseyWx Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: So it continues to look as if we go into a nice warmer pattern starting on tuesday. 50s will be nice and it will be a good time to get the growing season started. Still have to be careful about the growing season. Not sure what it is for NYC, but here my average last frost is roughly the third week of April. Do you have a better idea of what the average last freeze and frost is for us @rgwp96? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, JerseyWx said: Still have to be careful about the growing season. Not sure what it is for NYC, but here my average last frost is roughly the third week of April. Do you have a better idea of what the average last freeze and frost is for us @rgwp96? When I say growing season I'm not talking about the warm weather vegetables like tomatoes and peppers that can be damaged by frost. I always wait until early May to plant those things, when the threat of frost is gone. For late March I'm talking about cool weather vegetables like peas, broccoli and lettuce. Those things should be planted in very early Spring because frost and freeze doesn't bother them. I plant them every year in late March and have never had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Pushing 50°. First time reaching 800 w/m^2 (solar radiation) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said: Thanks. With another round of strong blocking forecast to develop near the start of April, at least some parts of the region might see another measurable snowfall. We've gone through a remarkable stretch of winters. Finally, with respect to spring, I believe winter will go in the books as December, January, and March while Spring will be listed as February, April, and May. the only other winters like this one were 1983-84 and to lesser extents 1980-81, 1955-56...last year didn't get the first half cold but March was colder than February... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn0w Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said: Thanks. With another round of strong blocking forecast to develop near the start of April, at least some parts of the region might see another measurable snowfall. We've gone through a remarkable stretch of winters. Finally, with respect to spring, I believe winter will go in the books as December, January, and March while Spring will be listed as February, April, and May. How likely is this looking at this point? What needs to happen for this potential upcoming cooldown to be muted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dWave Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: So it continues to look as if we go into a nice warmer pattern starting on tuesday. 50s will be nice and it will be a good time to get the growing season started. I believe avg last frost in NYC is around March 30 give or take a day. LGA being a day or so earlier than the Park. (30 yr avg not all time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, uncle W said: the only other winters like this one were 1983-84 and to lesser extents 1980-81, 1955-56...last year didn't get the first half cold but March was colder than February... April 1956 had a pretty sizable snowstorm. 4.2" in NYC and 3.4" in Newark on April 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, sn0w said: How likely is this looking at this point? What needs to happen for this potential upcoming cooldown to be muted? It's still in the extended range, but the cooler period has good support on the EPS and GEFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn0w Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: It's still in the extended range, but the cooler period has good support on the EPS and GEFS. Thanks. I am hoping they are wrong and I can start golfing and fishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, winterwx21 said: So it continues to look as if we go into a nice warmer pattern starting on tuesday. 50s will be nice and it will be a good time to get the growing season started. We are following the same weather theme since the end of August. Big temperature and pattern swings. People will start getting used to the 50's and maybe some 60's next week. Then we get an unseasonable cold shot in early April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 From 8" of snow yesterday to nearly 50 and sunny today. Spring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: April 1956 had a pretty sizable snowstorm. 4.2" in NYC and 3.4" in Newark on April 8. I was in the first grade and vaguely remember it...April 1957 had another 2-4" snowstorm...1956 started as rain...1957 started as snow and changed to heavy rain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, NortheastPAWx said: From 8" of snow yesterday to nearly 50 and sunny today. Spring! And I hope it stays that way, I got my March & seasonal snows and I'm good till next winter. Not a fan of late season (post March 15) snows in general. The extended didn't look that cool to me and with averages rapidly rising, it'll still be pleasant even if it's a bit BN. Unless it's a BDCF on an easterly flow with clouds, the worst kind of Spring weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 There might be 1 more snow event esrly April but that should be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericjcrash Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, sn0w said: Thanks. I am hoping they are wrong and I can start golfing and fishing Could've golfed 75% of February . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I've told this story before but on 3/22/64 there was 5" of snow before dawn and a high of 50 in the afternoon...I played a softball game that afternoon and got a tan on my face from the Sun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Last 4 days of the month are going to be AN. But rest of the next 16 look BN. Coldest air from around the Dakotas has trouble getting quickly to the coast. Meanwhile the next 7 days are just about normal overall at 44-45 average mean. Without the adiabatic cooling of the last four storms, we are experiencing the real temperatures now. I was at 38 degs. at 6AM yesterday and the vertical lift which brought the snow early drove it to 32 quickly with a little AM accumulation to boot. But temperature hoovered at 34 degs. most of the rest of the daylight hours. We had a chance for a fresh supply of actual cold air if there had been a triple phased system, for the third piece would have come out of Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, winterwx21 said: When I say growing season I'm not talking about the warm weather vegetables like tomatoes and peppers that can be damaged by frost. I always wait until early May to plant those things, when the threat of frost is gone. For late March I'm talking about cool weather vegetables like peas, broccoli and lettuce. Those things should be planted in very early Spring because frost and freeze doesn't bother them. I plant them every year in late March and have never had a problem. Oh alright, I see what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 12z EPS wants a trough to hangout in the northeast in the extended. Clearly, it hates us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, CIK62 said: Last 4 days of the month are going to be AN. But rest of the next 16 look BN. Coldest air from around the Dakotas has trouble getting quickly to the coast. Meanwhile the next 7 days are just about normal overall at 44-45 average mean. Without the adiabatic cooling of the last four storms, we are experiencing the real temperatures now. I was at 38 degs. at 6AM yesterday and the vertical lift which brought the snow early drove it to 32 quickly with a little AM accumulation to boot. But temperature hoovered at 34 degs. most of the rest of the daylight hours. We had a chance for a fresh supply of actual cold air if there had been a triple phased system, for the third piece would have come out of Canada. Well the coldest air has been in Eurasia for much of the late winter period. The airmass trapped under the -NAO block was not arctic in nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, JerseyWx said: Oh alright, I see what you're saying. Yes, I'm setting up my container gardens with arugula, peas, and lettuce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Crazy, but the long range ECMWF wants to reload the blocking. A system cuts off over the ocean next week, and then we have a major signal for a miller A in the day 9-10 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, EasternLI said: 12z EPS wants a trough to hangout in the northeast in the extended. Clearly, it hates us. I love winter, but UGH. Once we get to the last week of March, I'm done with it and rooting for warmer weather. I guess we'd better enjoy the several day warmup next week, before it gets chilly again. At least the warmup next week will give me a chance to plant the cool weather vegetables in comfortable weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: I love winter, but UGH. Once we get to the last week of March, I'm done with it and rooting for warmer weather. I guess we'd better enjoy the several day warmup next week, before it gets chilly again. At least the warmup next week will give me a chance to plant the cool weather vegetables in comfortable weather. I never saw my annuals get hit so hard as last November. Record October warmth into early November kept the late bloom going strong. That record breaking early hard freeze just flattened everything. Glad it was just flowering plants and not vegetables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, winterwx21 said: I love winter, but UGH. Once we get to the last week of March, I'm done with it and rooting for warmer weather. I guess we'd better enjoy the several day warmup next week, before it gets chilly again. At least the warmup next week will give me a chance to plant the cool weather vegetables in comfortable weather. I'm with you here. Love winter, but it's time to move on. I wonder if this will be one of those years we flip right to summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, bluewave said: I never saw my annuals get hit so hard as last November. Record October warmth into early November kept the late bloom going strong. That record breaking early hard freeze just flattened everything. Glad it was just flowering plants and not vegetables. Yeah I remember that wild swing. My vegetable crops were going unusually strong for so late in the season, and then got crushed by that hard freeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sferic Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Snow88 said: There might be 1 more snow event esrly April but that should be it I'll be upstate in the Catskills more likely for snow there with this potential? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: Yeah I remember that wild swing. My vegetable crops were going unusually strong for so late in the season, and then got crushed by that hard freeze. These fast MJO changes have been a key player in these big swings. Looks like we warm up next week into phase 7 with an early April phase 8 cool down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalland Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 With the possibility of a BN April, it will be interesting to see if April does not break our 2018 record of 78 degrees at KNYC. This happened in 1874, with a maximum of 72 degrees in February and 64 degree maximums in March and April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 This sort of flew under the radar, but today was one of the more extreme sensible wx reversals I've seen in a while. I woke up to deep winter, temps in the mid-20s and roadways being plowed, and 12 hours later it could pass as a perfectly agreeable spring afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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