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Sunday the 18th ... storm idea/early thoughts...


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41 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

IDK why Ryan is worried about snow growth. His boxing day melt still affects him to this day.


180218/0100Z  13  12005KT  30.5F  SNOW   11:1| 0.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.028   11:1|  0.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.03  100|  0|  0
180218/0200Z  14  13005KT  31.0F  SNOW   12:1| 0.9|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.076   12:1|  1.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.10  100|  0|  0
180218/0300Z  15  13006KT  31.9F  SNOW   11:1| 1.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.095   12:1|  2.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.20  100|  0|  0
180218/0400Z  16  14006KT  32.1F  SNOW   11:1| 1.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.104   11:1|  3.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.30  100|  0|  0
180218/0500Z  17  11004KT  32.1F  SNOW    9:1| 0.9|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.100   11:1|  4.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.40  100|  0|  0
180218/0600Z  18  06003KT  32.1F  SNOW   11:1| 0.8|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.074   11:1|  5.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.48  100|  0|  0
----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---
180218/0700Z  19  05003KT  32.1F  SNOW   12:1| 0.8|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.065   11:1|  5.9|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.54  100|  0|  0
180218/0800Z  20  36003KT  32.1F  SNOW   13:1| 0.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.034   11:1|  6.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.58  100|  0|  0
180218/0900Z  21  32004KT  32.3F  SNOW   23:1| 1.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.052   12:1|  7.5|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.63  100|  0|  0
180218/1000Z  22  31006KT  32.3F  SNOW   25:1| 1.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.057   13:1|  8.9|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.69  100|  0|  0
180218/1100Z  23  31007KT  32.1F  SNOW   10:1| 0.5|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.046   13:1|  9.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.73  100|  0|  0
180218/1200Z  24  30009KT  31.0F  SNOW   10:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.006   13:1|  9.5|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.74  100|  0|  0

lol I'm not worried about it - but it's not optimal snow growth. It's fine. Adequate.

Nothing on those soundings suggests a crazy fluff band. 

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1 minute ago, CTWeatherFreak said:

On this one, GFS has been the warm, weak outlier from the get go.

I never really bought into the GFS on this one. I think there were strong signals for a moderate type storm but the GFS just doesn't have the resolution or skill to catch on. The GFS also tends to be on the warmer side in the BL at times and I think this is the case. Perhaps coastal CT could flirt with mixing which I think is possible given the more southerly component to the flow but nothing makes me believe we see that warmth move well inland...unless this system all of a sudden make a substantial jump north

1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Yea, BS.

I'm actually using the First Call for the Final call....no changes.

Same...5-8'' across much of CT with 3-5'' immediate shore and I went 3-5'' for NW CT but I did have concerns as to whether they would get into the heavy snows.

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9 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

I never really bought into the GFS on this one. I think there were strong signals for a moderate type storm but the GFS just doesn't have the resolution or skill to catch on. The GFS also tends to be on the warmer side in the BL at times and I think this is the case. Perhaps coastal CT could flirt with mixing which I think is possible given the more southerly component to the flow but nothing makes me believe we see that warmth move well inland...unless this system all of a sudden make a substantial jump north

Same...5-8'' across much of CT with 3-5'' immediate shore and I went 3-5'' for NW CT but I did have concerns as to whether they would get into the heavy snows.

As usual, I think the heaviest snows will be within 50 miles of the rain/snow line.  Have to get near it in setups like this to see the best snows.  Did I just become Capt. Obvioius?

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9 minutes ago, CTWeatherFreak said:

As usual, I think the heaviest snows will be within 50 miles of the rain/snow line.  Have to get near it in setups like this to see the best snows.  Did I just become Capt. Obvioius?

There will probably be a band of really heavy snow where the strongest fronto/VV's overlap which would likely be well north of the R/S line. Could also get some enhancement from a coastal front should one setup which does seem like a legit possibility.

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4 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

What is the big deal?

Up to 8" in favored southern areas?

Hasn't this been expected for days?

Uhm euro is first DC to Portland SECS  since early January. Safe to say this wasn’t widely expected, as recently as 6 hrs ago.

lolli’s closer 12” and 10”+ amounts look to cover a broad area.

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1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

What is the big deal?

Up to 8" in favored southern areas?

Hasn't this been expected for days?

Euro to me looks more like a widespread 5-10" in SNE, even up into SVT over to the Lakes Region.  

Euro has that QPF gradient that screams band from MPM to Dendrite...but just anecdotal using QPF for fluff banding.

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1 minute ago, powderfreak said:

Euro to me looks more like a widespread 5-10" in SNE, even up into SVT over to the Lakes Region.  

Euro has that QPF gradient that screams band from MPM to Dendrite...but just anecdotal using QPF for fluff banding.

-8C 850 right over my head. :o

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3 minutes ago, dendrite said:

-8C 850 right over my head. :o

Ha done deal then. 

But honestly there are plenty of events where the best banding seems to be where the model thinks the QPF gradient is on the N/W side.

The EURO Kuchie snow maps actually make sense in this one...highlighting the colder temperatures in the higher terrain, with heaviest snowfall amounts in spots like NW NJ, S.Catskills, NW/NE CT, Berks, Orh Hills up into your area in NH.  Just has lower ratios coastal plain and CT Valley so less snowfall with same or even more QPF.

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