powderfreak Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 The 925mb temps on the GFS are pretty fascinating associated with the firehose. Pulling warm, moist air all the way up and in from way out in the Atlantic. That's how you get a big QPF bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Thursday into the weekend... Battle of airmasses between an ejecting low out of the Central CONUS up against building high pressure into Canada. Slowed pattern, each building their own weight, juxtaposition between the two ultimately determining outcomes. Strong -NAO, -4 to -5 SD, would expect a cool, dry setup for NE CONUS, storm track lying further S per block. Mid- Atlantic getting crushed. Interrogating Washington DC top 10 snows versus the NAO time series after 1948, 5 out of 7 storms, 3 prior to 1948, were associated with a -NAO around -3. Recall February 2010? Washington DC "snowmageddon" of 17.8"? Monthly NAO averaged near -2. Cherry picking data? Perhaps. CIPS analogs? Interrogating where NAO indices <= -1, noting trend of sliding low S of New England, further so with a stronger -NAO. Ensemble members clustering off the Delmarva Peninsula while model deterministic solutions are hugging further N close to Long Island. Believe S trend is emerging per 25.0z EC. Echoing prior forecaster, strong -NAO, subsequent block, storms forced E, slowed, evolving into coastal storms, but storms could get suppressed S. It is all about timing. Simply wait and see with later forecasts. But per climatology, prefer ensemble clustering / 25.0z EC which are further S compared to all other guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: The 925mb temps on the GFS are pretty fascinating associated with the firehose. Pulling warm, moist air all the way up and in from way out in the Atlantic. That's how you get a big QPF bomb. If we don’t snow I hope for a flood. I have like 11” if precip since new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Funny how folks dismissed the shunt yesterday and now it’s most likely outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkerBoy Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Funny how folks dismissed the shunt yesterday and now it’s most likely outcome Vindication and snow, two of the sweetest things in the world. Either way you'll get one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: If we don’t snow I hope for a flood. I have like 11” if precip since new year. Maybe 18" by the end of the week? Ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Funny how folks dismissed the shunt yesterday and now it’s most likely outcome Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Lol See the afd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: See the afd? No, I actually look at models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, CoastalWx said: No, I actually look at models. And missed the clustering south? How about giving folks your thoughts. Are you leaning all rain or shunt or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: And missed the clustering south? How about giving folks your thoughts. Are you leaning all rain or shunt or what? I say stick with ensemble means for now. People are way too confident on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Funny how folks dismissed the shunt yesterday and now it’s most likely outcome It's funny how that in no way makes you right or wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Funny how folks dismissed the shunt yesterday and now it’s most likely outcome Wasn't Feb 26, 2010 your preferred analog yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Funny how folks dismissed the shunt yesterday and now it’s most likely outcome You’ve got every outcome covered. The human NAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Damage In Tolland Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: You’ve got every outcome covered. The human NAM. All I’ve said all along is shunt south is most likely. Not that’s what will happen . I think block has to relax and we wait till Morch 7 storm. There’s a ton of south clustering. Even more than 12z had . Hopefully the north clusters are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, powderfreak said: What? On a Day 5-6 forecast you are surprised it changed a little bit? There's still a storm in the general vicinity which is about all you can ask for at this lead time. My comment was in response to a post and was made in that context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 And if one were to actually look at models and compare 00z and 12z, which maybe BOX failed to do, it is not the block. There is a clear weakening from 12z to 00z with the disturbance moving through the Plains, thus the weaker and further south placement. But c'mon people...how many times have we seen this come north on the final few days. It's originating from the west coast trough. Get that sampled and we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Eps members do not look good. Was hoping more than 1 run had a non interior 1-2’ storm .....but, not much there to hold onto if you want a biggie down to the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Man, that is a powerful ocean storm on the Euro. Little loop-de-loop and everything. Obviously a bit south for our purposes, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad place for it for now. You just know a juiced up latent heat bomb like that is gonna pull the last minute ticks north like last March did. I'd rather sit on the northern fringe with a marginal airmass than be in the thick of it and have a last minute correction turn it into a flooding rainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: And if one were to actually look at models and compare 00z and 12z, which maybe BOX failed to do, it is not the block. There is a clear weakening from 12z to 00z with the disturbance moving through the Plains, thus the weaker and further south placement. But c'mon people...how many times have we seen this come north on the final few days. It's originating from the west coast trough. Get that sampled and we shall see. This is like a mega setup and people are celebrating day 7 model trends as if they were victories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: And if one were to actually look at models and compare 00z and 12z, which maybe BOX failed to do, it is not the block. There is a clear weakening from 12z to 00z with the disturbance moving through the Plains, thus the weaker and further south placement. But c'mon people...how many times have we seen this come north on the final few days. It's originating from the west coast trough. Get that sampled and we shall see. Yeah you wonder if the analogs BOX looked at that crushed the MA also had the west coast trough. I'd bet most had a +PNA coupling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: All I’ve said all along is shunt south is most likely. Not that’s what will happen . I think block has to relax and we wait till Morch 7 storm. There’s a ton of south clustering. Even more than 12z had . Hopefully the north clusters are correct Unfortunately, the north clusters are mostly orh and berks, some stretch down to the CT mountains with 12-18” type amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, sbos_wx said: This is like a mega setup and people are celebrating day 7 model trends as if they were victories This is why I prefaced like every post yesterday saying it's silly to talk details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hoth said: Yeah you wonder if the analogs BOX looked at that crushed the MA also had the west coast trough. I'd bet most had a +PNA coupling. Those fooking analogs are so stupid. Just stop with those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 NAVGEM looks like it would be fun... ICON also had the look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, ineedsnow said: NAVGEM looks like it would be fun... ICON also had the look We pray weathafella’s fave model scores on a d5 shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Those fooking analogs are so stupid. Just stop with those things. The CIPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, HoarfrostHubb said: The CIPS? Yeah. They are more or less weenie fodder and not much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: The CIPS? Hes picking up Bryce's Toys and Throwing them Into puddles of 36f Rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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