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Jan 16/17 light snow event.


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2 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Slowing down the frontal passage will solve 80% of our problems imho. That's the basis for the Canadian and the JMA.  That's how the decent runs of the Euro did it. We can have a beatiful,  closed vort,  but if it's whizzing on by us, forget it. 

Your right 100%. Even without a closed low of the front slows and is still over us when the trough and associated vort passes it will work. But there is a symbiotic relationship because it's not a coincidence that all the runs that slow the front a lot also end up being cut off at h5. If the trough is progressive the front will be too. That said we can get a decent snow without a coastal if we get a less progressive trough alignment. 

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12 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Your right 100%. Even without a closed low of the front slows and is still over us when the trough and associated vort passes it will work. But there is a symbiotic relationship because it's not a coincidence that all the runs that slow the front a lot also end up being cut off at h5. If the trough is progressive the front will be too. That said we can get a decent snow without a coastal if we get a less progressive trough alignment. 

The big reason I felt like this was a high prob of at least a decent light event was how the front progresses. It starts out aligned nearly due W-E before rotating counterclockwise around the closed low/shortwave to the north. The tail also passes close to the GoM and there's plenty of atlantic moisture running around off the coast. That plus the sw-ne alignment as it moves through with good jet support has all the ingredients to not be some typical paltry moisture starved front that gets Pac Man'd by the apps. 

There's going to be a lot of happy people watching high ratio snow fall and pile up more than a dusting or cartoppper even if they don't want to admit it. Lol

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1 hour ago, psuhoffman said:

Shame that at the moment the euro and EPS are a useless mess. And I'm not saying we know the end result but no matter what happens the euro has been useless because in the last 6 runs it's had 3 amplified cutoff solutions and 3 progressive solutions. That makes it useless since it bounces around between different extremes and camps. I'm truly astounded with how bad it's been for such a long stretch. Hopefully it's just this pattern and not a permanent problem because having one of the two flagship pieces of guidance useless to us really will hurt forecasting. We've essentially lost one of the two major data points used to judge and determine trends each model run. I don't know how anyone can take it seriously given it's track record lately but without it all we really have is the gfs/gefs (and the gefs has a group think issue) and a bunch of b level guidance. (Yea I know ukmet scores and all but I agree with JI and others that when it comes to east coast storms it has a tendency to swing wildly from over amped to progressive and doesn't have enough consistency to be reliable). 

Makes our hobby more fun. It is more like a casino now. 

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2 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

The big reason I felt like this was a high prob of at least a decent light event was how the front progresses. It starts out aligned nearly due W-E before rotating counterclockwise around the closed low/shortwave to the north. The tail also passes close to the GoM and there's plenty of atlantic moisture running around off the coast. That plus the sw-ne alignment as it moves through with good jet support has all the ingredients to not be some typical paltry moisture starved front that gets Pac Man'd by the apps. 

There's going to be a lot of happy people watching high ratio snow fall and pile up more than a dusting or cartoppper even if they don't want to admit it. Lol

contrary to my first post ITT, snow is snow and I'll take whatever I can get. :)

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16 minutes ago, dallen7908 said:

With winter weather advisories in place for 15 connected states ranging from Mississippi/Alabama in the south, Wisconsin/Michigan in the north, Kansas/Texas in the west, and West Virginia in the east it's hard to believe we'll completely whiff tomorrow evening. 

You must be new to the area.

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3 minutes ago, MD Snow said:

Shame I was so sure the jma Cmc combo was a lock 

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13 minutes ago, MD Snow said:

But it has snow starting in our area from the front with 48 hours and it continues through 72 or 78. Not as good as 0z, but still a 2-4" event I would guess. 

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35 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Slowing down the frontal passage will solve 80% of our problems imho. That's the basis for the Canadian and the JMA.  That's how the decent runs of the Euro did it. We can have a beatiful,  closed vort,  but if it's whizzing on by us, forget it. 

Agree. We should be skeptical of the non progressive runs though mitchnick. That's not the pattern we've been in.

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11 minutes ago, Quasievil said:

Agree. We should be skeptical of the non progressive runs though mitchnick. That's not the pattern we've been in.

Hold on there. I'm not saying I buy either solution right now, except that the trend has been to slow things down.  I was just saying what we needed. But since you mentioned it, it does seem that the atmosphere has shifted from the fast nw flow that dominated until the recent warm up.

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Good morning everyone. Seems like the shutout is off the table at least? I’m happy with that....until 12z robs us. ;)

So 1-3” with some possible extra juice seem like a legit forecast? There are some kids and a wife (HoCo teacher) that I need to report back to. Lol. 

 

Eta: cartopper Ralph? :weep:

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5 minutes ago, Scraff said:

Good morning everyone. Seems like the shutout is off the table at least? I’m happy with that....until 12z robs us. ;)

So 1-3” with some possible extra juice seem like a legit forecast? There are some kids and a wife (HoCo teacher) that I need to report back to. Lol. 

 

Eta: cartopper Ralph? :weep:

I'm all about a 2-hour delay Wednesday AM. 

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