CNY-WXFREAK Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, WNash said: Give me a whole January of 60F over an ice storm You sure you live in the right part of the Country, lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Give me an ice storm over 6" of snow. Zzz geeez, I've never heard anyone say that. From a tree damage standpoint alone I hope I never see an ice storm again the rest of my life. It's heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: geeez, I've never heard anyone say that. From a tree damage standpoint alone I hope I never see an ice storm again the rest of my life. It's heartbreaking. Disagree. Ice storms are needed to destroy bad/weak trees just like fires are good for the environment. It's a way of nature to cleanse itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said: Disagree. Ice storms are needed to destroy bad/weak trees just like fires are good for the environment. It's a way of nature to cleanse itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Isn't that what tree service ppl do, lol? Off topic, lets get back to the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Biggest ice storm I experienced was in northern NJ back in early 1970s. It was impressive on top of a few inches of snow. Also Albany area in April 2002(ish). But I'd take a pass on another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coh Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I can't believe anyone who has lived through a severe ice storm would ever wish for it to happen again. Maybe BuffaloWeather wasn't up here in 91? Or 2003. I wasn't here for either, but did get to experience a similar event on Long Island in 1978 or 79 (think it was 79). It destroyed the power grid and we had no electricity for 7 or so days (may have been as many as 10, I don't recall exactly). No backup heat source (no wood stove, no gas heater), no hot water. I was 17 at the time but it still sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 I've seen more people die in car accidents related to snow then any other event in Buffalo. Even a close friend. Snow is just as destructive. I like Hurricanes and Tornadoes as well. I don't control them, but they are awesome and would love to witness them in person. You guys are all soft, the majority of weather is destructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, CNY-WXFREAK said: ? Forest fires are a natural and necessary part of the ecosystem. Even healthy forests contain dead trees and decaying plant matter; when a fire turns them to ashes, nutrients return to the soil instead of remaining captive in old vegetation. Fires being good are a scientific fact, ice storms are debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, coh said: I can't believe anyone who has lived through a severe ice storm would ever wish for it to happen again. Maybe BuffaloWeather wasn't up here in 91? Or 2003. I wasn't here for either, but did get to experience a similar event on Long Island in 1978 or 79 (think it was 79). It destroyed the power grid and we had no electricity for 7 or so days (may have been as many as 10, I don't recall exactly). No backup heat source (no wood stove, no gas heater), no hot water. I was 17 at the time but it still sucked. I lost electricity for 16 days in 2006 in the October storm. We all sat by the fire as a family and played board games. It was awesome! That was far more destructive than any ice storm ever was in WNY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Off topic, transition line is nearing Niagara frontier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said: Off topic, transition line is nearing Niagara frontier. On topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Snowstorms don’t destroy the electrical grid. This is a picture from the great north country ice storm of January 1998. It took 3weeks for some areas to get power restored . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, CNY_WX said: Snowstorms don’t destroy the electrical grid. This is a picture from the great north country ice storm of January 1998. It took 3weeks for some areas to get power restored . And a snowstorm caused Buffalo to lose 70% of its trees in totality and more power lines than any ice storm in Buffalos history. Whats the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coh Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 You don't see a difference between restringing power lines, and having to rebuild the transmission towers before you can put the lines back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Ice storms are absolutely not necessary to clean up trees. Winds are more than enough to do that job. Ice storms destroy entire trees and do no good. You are simply wrong about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: And a snowstorm caused Buffalo to lose 70% of its trees in totality and more power lines than any ice storm in Buffalos history. Whats the difference? That was a freak occurrence. How often does heavy snow fall while trees still have full canopies of leaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Major ice storms are 9 times out of 10 more damaging than major snow storms. Debate ended! Let's get back to this storm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: And a snowstorm caused Buffalo to lose 70% of its trees in totality and more power lines than any ice storm in Buffalos history. Whats the difference? You're just upset and lashing out bc BUF is likely not getting a foot of snow and it's been another screw job season. We feel your pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Syrmax said: You're just upset and lashing out bc BUF is likely not getting a foot of snow and it's been another screw job season. We feel your pain. No, I just love ice storms. The New England forum does too, guess I'll go hang with them when the next one comes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, vortmax said: Major ice storms are 9 times out of 10 more damaging than major snow storms. Debate ended! Let's get back to this storm! Snow related car accidents cause more injuries and deaths then any ice storm. It's actually not even close. So no more wishing for snow if I can't wish for ice! Infrastructure is more important than lives? Debate ended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Euro shows 6-10" for Buffalo. 8-14" for Rochester, 12-18" for Syracuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 NAM coming in stronger and west. Back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 These are 10/1 ratios and we all know it'll prollty start around 8/1 then transition over to 14/1 as an average for the event as a whole. 12Z Kuchera Soundings for 06Z and 12Z from the GFS for KFZY 12Z Very nice soundings so alls we have to do now is just wait and see how the forecast plays out. If this system continues to move East as it traverses the area then points to our East may cash in a bit better than first anticipated. Lots of surprises left for this one I think. I have't taken a look at CSI banding possibilities which I may do but there doesn't appear to be enough instability, Frontogenetic forcing for banding but perhaps within the deformation band that forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: NAM coming in stronger and west. Back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The NAM went from way East with practically nothing in WNY then at 12Z wenty back West and gave them 14" and now its so far West that Ksyr mixes. lol. Throw that POS model in the trash simple as that. Its a horrific model. The event is underway and it still can't nail the damn thing to within 50 miles. I'll stick with the Euro as it hasn't wavered for 4 straight runbs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Super unusual to see NAM boost totals this much in the 24 hr range. On to something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Wait, How ia that further West?? I'll wait next time to post, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Got awfully windy all of a sudden. The house actually shook from a few gusts that went by with the front I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, CNY-WXFREAK said: Wait, How ia that further West?? I'll wait next time to post, lol! The LP is 995 over western mass instead of 999 over Boston. Decent shift west all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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