dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: When Dendrite thinks something should be a blizzard it probably should be as the board observation/quality control expert. I just want consistency and a concrete definition. The whole thing is too subjective for me and people take their blizzards seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Thy thatched roof only blew a rod downwind, twas not a blizzard but a tempest of the most ordinary. 7' shall we not WSW? At Kevin do we not laugh? 1/4SM for over 3 hrs shall we not blizzard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanks45 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Looks like between 11 and 12 inches here in Newtown, CT so we I guess we can call it 11.5" and be happy. No complaints here since for the most part the western guys were on the outside looking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 about 6 inches of fluff here as of this morning SN- and blowing snow continues across the beastly arctic landscape , huge tractor trailer stuck at the bottom of the hill in town at the main intersection as i drove home.... currently -6F and falling, epic winter rolls on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 So this was the only ob that officially kept BOS from blizzard criteria? This is despite the 1754z ob and 1833z ob having gusts over 31 knots. So we're talking like a 15 min period of wind criteria that falls short by 2mph...but the blizzard definition of frequency of wind is subjective..."frequent gusts" over 35mph doesn't tell you how long of a lull there can be. The visibility criteria is more objective. It has to be continuous. KBOS 041810Z 35022G29KT 1/8SM R04R/1400V2400FT +SN BLSN FZFG VV005 M02/M03 A2906 RMK AO2 PK WND 34029/1810 PRESFR P0004 T10221028 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Stop stealing our blizzards! My guess is that most of the public would feel it was a blizzard around Boston no matter what NWS classifies it as. Although do most people only think of a blizzard as a 24” storm? Do they consider the wind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adk Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Stop stealing our blizzards! My guess is that most of the public would feel it was a blizzard around Boston no matter what NWS classifies it as. Although do most people only think of a blizzard as a 24” storm? Do they consider the wind? Once you are convicted in the court of public opinion... Also, Blizzard of 2018 is so much more marketable than "that really big storm in 2018 that was more intense than some of the other storms that winter". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 11 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said: You would love the ambiance there. All death and creepy... Plus indoor shuffleboard!!! lol. Really? Is it a full bar, open for the day, or do they just open it for select tastings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 13.5" will do it. I think it was the best storm we've had in several years even though we didn't get blockbuster snow totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I ended up with about 10" in Brooklyn. Good amount of drifting today in some spots. Steve's drift fetish appetite will be satisfied to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, dendrite said: For any BOX mets that lurk, I’d like to add kudos for a great aggressive forecast. I still think the blizz criteria determination needs work though. Yesterday should’ve counted. You can’t subjectively take 1/4sm obs because ASOS low vis blows and then nit pick 5min wind obs where maybe a couple of obs fell a few mph short. This was hours of near 0SM vis with high impact winds. If this doesn’t count just toss the warning option to the curb then. Everything just becomes a WSW. Valid argument indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Cold Miser said: lol. Really? Is it a full bar, open for the day, or do they just open it for select tastings? It is a brewery. They make beer. They sell beer. Closed Monday and Tuesday open afternoons and evenings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Best winter storm since Boxing Day imo, but I lived in central LI up through 2015. So many of you guys will likely have others... I think this was the best significant snow/wind combination I've experienced in my life though. I'm 30, so many of you may have others that predate me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Banding can do funny things but I'm calling BS on the 10.5" report out of Greenfield. 7"-8" max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Ice waves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 59 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: So this was the only ob that officially kept BOS from blizzard criteria? This is despite the 1754z ob and 1833z ob having gusts over 31 knots. So we're talking like a 15 min period of wind criteria that falls short by 2mph...but the blizzard definition of frequency of wind is subjective..."frequent gusts" over 35mph doesn't tell you how long of a lull there can be. The visibility criteria is more objective. It has to be continuous. KBOS 041810Z 35022G29KT 1/8SM R04R/1400V2400FT +SN BLSN FZFG VV005 M02/M03 A2906 RMK AO2 PK WND 34029/1810 PRESFR P0004 T10221028 A little birdie told me they use the 5min wind obs...so there were a few more than that mixed in. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfishsnowman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 well even though i wasn't overly impressed with yesterdays event personally for my house, as far as I am concerned it was a blizzard with the falling/blowing snow combo even when the snow was light the vis with freezing fog and blowing snow was <1/4 mi most blowing snow I have seen since boxing day debacle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 40 minutes ago, adk said: Once you are convicted in the court of public opinion... Also, Blizzard of 2018 is so much more marketable than "that really big storm in 2018 that was more intense than some of the other storms that winter". And "marketable" is key. Though bombogenesis is commonly in use by mets, and on here, I'd never heard the term "bomb cyclone" before Wednesday, though I've heard it many dozens of times since - the new ear toy for MSM. 4 years ago it was "polar vortex". Finished with 13.0" here on 0.99" LE, with 11" coming noon-6 PM. Visibility for those 6 hours ranged from 1/4 mile down to under 1/16 (at 4 PM, under The Band), but winds did not approach blizzard criterion until after the snowfall was about done, peak gusts were right around that 35 mph. Odd to get 13" on 1/4, as we had the same exact amount on 1/4/2003 (and only got 4.5" more for the month.) The only other January date with more than 8.0" since 1999 is the 27th, 16.0" from the 2015 blizzard, one of only 4 events here that I consider to have met the full blizz criteria. (Others are 12/6-7/03, 12/21-22/08, 3/14/17.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 There's a lot of snow out there. My dog does not like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I live at exit 3 off of rt3, my roommate plows at Colony Place at exit 7...maybe that is 6mi N of my house at the most. They changed to a heavy wet snow and picked up 6 or 7 inches. I literally just missed out on this storm...crazy how that works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, #NoPoles said: I live at exit 3 off of rt3, my roommate plows at Colony Place at exit 7...maybe that is 6mi N of my house at the most. They changed to a heavy wet snow and picked up 6 or 7 inches. I literally just missed out on this storm...crazy how that works Ouch. I thought you'd do a little better..that r/s line was stubborn. Areas to my north and to my west about 10-15 miles had 2-3x more than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Was unreal how pegged that CF was 1-2mi to my east. I'm just South of KTAN by 1/2mi and literally drive over to Poquoy Golf Course and it was raining. And seeing it clear as day on radar was cool. Had never seen a representation like that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 58 minutes ago, dendrite said: A little birdie told me they use the 5min wind obs...so there were a few more than that mixed in. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS Interesting...that doesn't seem consistent with previous criteria when we look back on other storms where blizzard criteria was claimed (you already mentioned this). I'm fine with using 5 min wind obs, but like you, I want consistency. It looks like the 5 min wind obs is also what eliminated ORH from blizzard criteria....because all these METARs (more than 3 consecutive hours worth) satisfied the criteria: KORH 041954Z 33018G33KT 1/4SM R11/1400V1600FT SN FZFG VV005 M04/M06 A2895 RMK AO2 PK WND 34037/1940 SLP816 P0007 T10391056 $ KORH 041907Z 35023G31KT 1/4SM R11/0800V1200FT SN FZFG VV004 M03/M05 A2899 RMK AO2 PK WND 35032/1855 P0003 T10331050 $ KORH 041854Z 35022G33KT 1/4SM R11/1200V1400FT SN FZFG VV006 M03/M05 A2900 RMK AO2 PK WND 34035/1821 PRESFR SLP832 P0003 T10331050 $ KORH 041847Z 35022G34KT 1/4SM R11/1200V2000FT SN FZFG VV007 M03/M05 A2901 RMK AO2 PK WND 34035/1821 PRESFR P0003 T10331050 $ KORH 041826Z 35022G35KT 1/4SM R11/2000V2600FT SN FZFG VV009 M03/M06 A2904 RMK AO2 PK WND 34035/1821 PRESFR P0003 T10331056 $ KORH 041754Z 36022G41KT 1/4SM R11/1200V2000FT SN FZFG VV006 M04/M06 A2908 RMK AO2 PK WND 01041/1747 SLP861 P0005 60023 T10391056 11039 21083 56065 $ KORH 041719Z 36024G39KT 1/4SM R11/1400V2000FT SN FZFG VV007 M04/M06 A2913 RMK AO2 PK WND 36039/1717 PRESFR P0001 T10391061 KORH 041654Z 36019G31KT 1/4SM R11/2000V2800FT SN FZFG VV007 M04/M07 A2918 RMK AO2 PK WND 35039/1609 SNB13 SLP894 P0006 T10441067 KORH 041650Z 01019G31KT 1/4SM R11/2000V2800FT SN FZFG VV007 M04/M07 A2918 RMK AO2 PK WND 35039/1609 SNB13 PRESFR P0006 KORH 041630Z 01019G31KT 1/4SM R11/1400V2000FT SN FZFG VV005 M05/M07 A2922 RMK AO2 PK WND 35039/1609 SNB13 P0004 T10501067 KORH 041618Z 01023G39KT M1/4SM R11/1000V1400FT SN FZFG VV004 M05/M07 A2924 RMK AO2 PK WND 35039/1609 SNB13 P0000 T10501072 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 We got another inch overnight to end with 4.5 inches. I guess it turns out that it is not just my winter and the lot of you are not just living in it. I am not crushed about it as the shoveling was bad enough this morning. It was like shoveling sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just drove through an area of moderate snow east of conquer. Sticking to the roads and everything, was a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Good morning everybody. One hell of a storm yeasterday. Sucks that something like this storm fell barely short of a true Blizzard based on wind sustainability but that is splitting hairs. Double digit snows in the heart of our viewing area (Boston and Surrounding Burbs), coastal flodding. I guess the only real thing missing was if the storm had traveled just a little slower. May have added 4-6" more but who the hell knows. Enjoy it, it's the only weather you've got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 East Scotia slope buoy had 56.1 ft significant seas this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 There is quite a bit of snow. The wind made this snow rather meaty as it takes effort to walk through it. More meatier than I anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Want a laugh... Boston PNS Snowfall report has a 32.4" amount for Haverill, MA and Holliston. Stick slanting? Drift? Wipping the board every hour? No, it may be an error in which it they really have meant 12.4", that makes more sense. I think that's what they meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: There is quite a bit of snow. The wind made this snow rather meaty as it takes effort to walk through it. More meatier than I anticipated. Ah must be WOman snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.