Roger Smith Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 At 05z pressure of 950 on land now, Point Lepreau NB west of St John. Actual center from radar is over northern Bay of Fundy about to slide across southeast NB towards northern Gulf of St Lawrence. Has probably reached its lowest pressure now. I think that radar activity moving in from west is the remains of the Ontario low being absorbed by the larger circulation. Could give a further 1-3" in a few spots overnight. Might be hard to distinguish falling snow from drifting and blowing snow. As a purely theoretical point, would say keep an eye on late January when this energy peak returns in two more separated portions than this time around, one or both of those could be another big coastal storm. (28th-29th, and 31st into 1st Feb). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, sbos_wx said: If that wasn't a blizzard, then definition is broken. I believe they should go back to the old definition and include cold (under 20). That rarifies them reducing their frequency to the extreme events they actually are. 78 would not qualify but 1888 in NYC and elsewhere would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 6 hours ago, dendrite said: Tinder? Swipe right for snow, swipe left for severe (in New England especially). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, sbos_wx said: If that wasn't a blizzard, then definition is broken. Thats what BOX said in their statement... that only Block Island (BID) met criteria for blizzard conditions Quote Public Information Statement National Weather Service Taunton MA 513 PM EST Thu Jan 4 2018 ...ONLY ONE STATION REPORTED BLIZZARD CONDITIONS TODAY IN SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND... The National Weather Service in Taunton has reviewed the observations from the winter storm that affected our region today. We have determined that the only official reporting site that met blizzard criteria was Block Island, RI (BID). The definition of a blizzard is that falling and/or blowing snow reduces visibility to below 1/4 mile along with sustained winds or winds that frequently gust to 35 mph or more, and that these are the predominant reported conditions for 3 consecutive hours. When reviewing whether a particular observation location had blizzard conditions, we counted visibilities equal to 1/4 mile since that is often quite low for an automated visibility sensor to detect. At Block Island, blizzard conditions occurred between 830 AM and 1205 PM. In that 3 hour and 35 minute period, there were only a few short gaps in which there was a brief lull in the winds, totaling 18 minutes. Blizzard conditions were predominant. Six stations had near-blizzard criteria, but fell short either because of too many lull periods, or because of the length of time. These near-blizzard sites included Boston, MA (BOS), Worcester, MA (ORH), Plymouth, MA (PYM), Providence, RI (PVD), Newport, RI (UUU), and North Smithfield, RI (SFZ). $$ Field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: While this isn't one of my more memorable snow events, the shear meteorological awe of this storm earns it honorable mention in my book. You aren't going to see many storms that do everything this one did. Widespread double digits, wind, minimum pressure, coastal flooding, blizzard conditions for 2 hours and 59 minutes at BOS. 3 hours ago, 25thamendmentfan said: Harvey said this immediately. This is why it pays to have a broadcast veteran instead of trucking in this pretty young faces every 2-3 years who don't have the brains or the historical knowledge of a Don Kent or Bob Copeland. @CT Rain is so much more than a pretty face to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25thamendmentfan Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: You aren't going to see many storms that do everything this one did. Widespread double digits, wind, minimum pressure, coastal flooding, blizzard conditions for 2 hours and 59 minutes at BOS. @CT Rain is so much more than a pretty face to us. Ryan does a great job! And a belated congratulations for his promotion to chief met at the Connecticut nbc owned and operated. Local tv news stations don't get the numbers they used to get because we all have 200 Channels and millions of websites but whenever there's a big weather event local tv news remains very viable and Ryan is one of the hardest working tv Mets in tv's top 30 markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25thamendmentfan Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, bboughton said: So I wasn’t crazy earlier. Nowhere in MA verified Blizzard. I am curious how “frequent gusts” is defined as it appears BOS met that definition. Genuine kudos. All too frequently on this site people are taking unpopular positions, getting hammered for it, and then ultimately proven right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashFreeze Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 total snow 10” - 13” almost waist high drifting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25thamendmentfan Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Harvey Leonard did a great job with this storm. 44 years on tv and still getting it done at a time when all his peers from the late 70s except for Barry Burbank are either retired, fired, or 6 feet under. When dick Albert died I checked out Mark Rosenthal's Twitter feed and video forecast. He's certainly let his hair down lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Gonna call it 17 I guess. I actually feel it could have been a tick higher, but feel good about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 63 knot gust at FVE. Still packing a punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkd Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Roger Smith said: At 05z pressure of 950 on land now, Point Lepreau NB west of St John. Actual center from radar is over northern Bay of Fundy about to slide across southeast NB towards northern Gulf of St Lawrence. Has probably reached its lowest pressure now. I think that radar activity moving in from west is the remains of the Ontario low being absorbed by the larger circulation. Could give a further 1-3" in a few spots overnight. Might be hard to distinguish falling snow from drifting and blowing snow. As a purely theoretical point, would say keep an eye on late January when this energy peak returns in two more separated portions than this time around, one or both of those could be another big coastal storm. (28th-29th, and 31st into 1st Feb). Do you have any literature you would recommend on the influence of the sun, moon, etc on the weather? Interesting stuff. Enjoy your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 BOX with a good forecast as well. I wasn't sure of widespread 12-18, but that is what we got. I figured the jack zones near what Ray had, but was not sure all else would be over a foot. Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: BOX with a good forecast as well. I wasn't sure of widespread 12-18, but that is what we got. I figured the jack zones near what Ray had, but was not sure all else would be over a foot. Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, OceanStWx said: What did you get up there, oh wizard of weenies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bboughton Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 hours ago, 25thamendmentfan said: Genuine kudos. All too frequently on this site people are taking unpopular positions, getting hammered for it, and then ultimately proven right. Eh. I didn’t think I was right or wrong. I am just curious about the definition as it seems to change. Every obs between 1:33pm and 4:54pm has gusts > 35mph in BOS and I didn’t see the 1:33 one in there yesterday (the previous ob was 31mph) so it might have verified after all. I just want to know how “frequent gusts” are determined. You were pretty rude to folks yesterday so I don’t want to be lumped in to prove your point about unpopular opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: What did you get up there, oh wizard of weenies. 12.0 on the dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, OceanStWx said: 12.0 on the dot. Nice. We deep winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: Nice. We deep winter. Deeeep winter. 17 on the ground in Portland and we're going to claw our way to like 3 degrees Saturday. Man stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&P Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 going with NWS employee report from portsmouth ri of 13.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Deeeep winter. 17 on the ground in Portland and we're going to claw our way to like 3 degrees Saturday. Man stuff. C'mon that's t-shirt weather. Come up into the mountains tomorrow and have some real fun . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bboughton Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 We actually didn’t come all that close. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 For any BOX mets that lurk, I’d like to add kudos for a great aggressive forecast. I still think the blizz criteria determination needs work though. Yesterday should’ve counted. You can’t subjectively take 1/4sm obs because ASOS low vis blows and then nit pick 5min wind obs where maybe a couple of obs fell a few mph short. This was hours of near 0SM vis with high impact winds. If this doesn’t count just toss the warning option to the curb then. Everything just becomes a WSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, bboughton said: We actually didn’t come all that close. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, dendrite said: For any BOX mets that lurk, I’d like to add kudos for a great aggressive forecast. I still think the blizz criteria determination needs work though. Yesterday should’ve counted. You can’t subjectively take 1/4sm obs because ASOS low vis blows and then nit pick 5min wind obs where maybe a couple of obs fell a few mph short. This was hours of near 0SM vis with high impact winds. If this doesn’t count just toss the warning option to the curb then. Everything just becomes a WSW. No kidding. So why did we count last year? And also, did we not have 1/4SM for 3 hrs after the 1 min lull of winds 3mph below criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, bboughton said: We actually didn’t come all that close. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS Define “frequent gusts >= 35mph” for me. If you’re going to nitpick every 5 min ob just take the word “frequent” out of it and make it all obs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: No kidding. So why did we count last year? And also, did we not have 1/4SM for 3 hrs after the 1 min lull of winds 3mph below criteria? I looked back at the 2/9/17 obs. You’re right, that shouldn’t have counted either. http://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=KBOS&time=GMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: No kidding. So why did we count last year? And also, did we not have 1/4SM for 3 hrs after the 1 min lull of winds 3mph below criteria? Thy thatched roof only blew a rod downwind, twas not a blizzard but a tempest of the most ordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 When Dendrite thinks something should be a blizzard it probably should be as the board observation/instrument/quality control expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, OceanStWx said: Thy thatched roof only blew a rod downwind, twas not a blizzard but a tempest of the most ordinary. Can’t wait to see freshet in an AFD in a couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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