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2 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said:

If you want a shot at 1-2" of snow west of 95, the 3km NAM was a good way to get it done. Very nice H5 presentation with closed center off the Delmarva with a negatively tilted trough. The coast gets absolutely smoked this run. 

 

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It's sad to be so close yet so far away.  Hopefully,  Rgem fron 0z is correct. 

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1 minute ago, mitchnick said:

Radars are lighting up all down south this hour and I don't see that on the sim/radar progs on Nam brothers to the extent of reality. Does it mean anything? 

Dont know if it means anything for us but there has been a lot of development over the NE GoMex/N FL in the past 3-4 hours. I've been watching it.

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9 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

It's sad to be so close yet so far away.  Hopefully,  Rgem fron 0z is correct. 

Depending on what method you use for snowfall, Kuchara is around 4/5" for you and Ferrier Method is around 2-4". NAM 12km is closer to 1-2", but that's a heck of a lot better than what we were looking like 24 hours ago. 

Remember, just hug the model with the most snow. Works every time........

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Looking at the 12K I am not sure the representation of precip on the northwestern side through VA and SE MD is accurate. Look at what we have at 24 hr.

SLP and precip

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Now this is Relative Humidity at 700 mb. Notice we see the 90+ values extend farther north and west then the precip shield. Though we may have moisture we need lift as well.

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This is the lift we see at 700 mb. We have decent/good lift extending beyond the cities.

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Now maybe I am wrong but I look at the above maps and I would expect the precip to be more expansive to the north and west. Now this may be no more then a reflection of having to moisten the lower levels first but when looking at some other things I am not really sure it would be the case for the most part.

 

 

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WWAs now up for S MD and further south:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
334 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

St. Marys-Calvert-
334 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
11 AM EST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Plan on slippery road conditions,
  including during the morning commute on Thursday. Total snow
  accumulations of 2 to 4 inches are expected.

* WHERE...St. Marys and Calvert counties.

* WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 11 AM EST Thursday.

* 

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
403 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

...High Impact Storm including the aftermath of wind driven
record cold on its way to our area...

...A rapidly intensifying ocean storm will produce significant
snowfall and strong winds tonight through Thursday...


Kent-Queen Annes-Talbot-Caroline-
Including the cities of Dover, Centreville, Easton, and Denton
403 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 PM THIS EVENING TO
5 PM EST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Snow and blowing snow expected. Plan on slippery road
  conditions, including during the morning commute on Thursday. In
  addition, areas of poor visibility are expected. Total snow
  accumulations of 2 to 4 inches are expected.

* WHERE...In Maryland, Queen Annes, Talbot and Caroline
  counties. In Delaware, Kent county.

* WHEN...From 7 PM this evening to 5 PM EST Thursday.


URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Wakefield VA
323 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

Westmoreland-Richmond-Brunswick-Dinwiddie-Prince George-
Charles City-New Kent-Eastern Hanover-
Eastern Chesterfield (Including Col. Heights)-Eastern Henrico-
Western King William-Eastern King William-Western King and Queen-
Eastern King and Queen-Western Essex-Eastern Essex-
Including the cities of Lawrenceville, Petersburg, Hopewell,
Mechanicsville, Chesterfield, Chester, Colonial Heights,
Sandston, Aylett, King William, West Point,
King And Queen Court House, Tappahannock, and Dunnsville
323 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 1 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO
NOON EST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Plan on slippery road conditions,
  including during the morning commute on Thursday. Total snow
  accumulations of 2 to 4 inches are expected.

* WHERE...Portions of central, east central and south central
  Virginia.

* WHEN...From 1 PM this afternoon to noon EST Thursday.

 

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And Salisbury gets a WSW:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Wakefield VA
323 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

Dorchester-Wicomico-Somerset-Inland Worcester-Maryland Beaches-
Northumberland-Lancaster-Middlesex-
Including the cities of Cambridge, Salisbury, Crisfield,
Princess Anne, Snow Hill, and Ocean City
323 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 1 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO
1 PM EST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Plan on difficult travel
  conditions, including during the morning commute on Thursday.
  Total snow accumulations of 4 to 6 inches are expected.

* WHERE...Portions of southeast Maryland and eastern Virginia.

* WHEN...From 1 PM this afternoon to 1 PM EST Thursday.

 

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6 minutes ago, showmethesnow said:

Looking at the 12K I am not sure the representation of precip on the northwestern side through VA and SE MD is accurate. Look at what we have at 24 hr.

SLP and precip

 

Now this is Relative Humidity at 700 mb. Notice we see the 90+ values extend farther north and west then the precip shield. Though we may have moisture we need lift as well.

 

This is the lift we see at 700 mb. We have decent/good lift extending beyond the cities.

 

Now maybe I am wrong but I look at the above maps and I would expect the precip to be more expansive to the north and west. Now this may be no more then a reflection of having to moisten the lower levels first but when looking at some other things I am not really sure it would be the case for the most part.

 

 

NAM 12km has a pretty decent dry layer between the surface and 850mb, so composite reflectivity actually has snow overhead, but of course, none would reach the ground until saturation occurs in that level. We do see a snow sig 3 hours later at 9z, so the column does give by that point, so it starts to snow after a few hours. That 700mb map was nice to see and 9z sounding showed a decent amount of omega within the DGZ, so likely the first flakes should be fairly nice plate types at the very least, and not needles like we see in some storms. A better DGZ signal would mean even with low precip totals, you can still sneak an inch or two, especially near I-95. I'm still not feeling anything more than an inch areas west of the cities, but I can see how that does occur. Need some luck in the upper levels. Cities on southeast I think see 1+" at this rate. Eastern shore is where the totals start rising significantly with areas like SBY to just inland of the coast getting hit pretty good. 

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And the latest from LWX...

Area Forecast Discussion...UPDATED
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
400 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018
 

.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT/...
The low pressure system that will be located off of the eastern
United States will rapidly intensify as it moves northeastward
from around 995mb at a location southeast of Wilmington NC
this evening to near 965-970mb by sunrise Thursday morning when
it passes by east of Norfolk VA. The system is progged to
continue deepening to near 960mb or perhaps even lower as it
passes southeast of the benchmark Thursday afternoon.

Deterministic and ensemble guidance are in relatively good
agreement with snow overspreading portions of the region late
this evening, reaching peak intensity and coverage early
Thursday morning, and then shifting eastward and away from the
region by noon or so Thursday. There remains some differences on
the western extent of accumulating snow, as is typical in these
situations. As spread has decreased over the last several model
suites, have issued Winter Weather Advisories for St Marys and
Calvert Counties for 2-4" of snow, and have the one inch line
back to about I-95, tapering off to a few tenths by FDK-IAD.
Will cover the potential impacts for the Thursday morning
commute in the metro areas that do not have an advisory with a
Potential Winter Commuting Hazard Statement. It should be noted
that uncertainty still remains with regards to the western
gradient.

 

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4 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said:

NAM 12km has a pretty decent dry layer between the surface and 850mb, so composite reflectivity actually has snow overhead, but of course, none would reach the ground until saturation occurs in that level. We do see a snow sig 3 hours later at 9z, so the column does give by that point, so it starts to snow after a few hours. That 700mb map was nice to see and 9z sounding showed a decent amount of omega within the DGZ, so likely the first flakes should be fairly nice plate types at the very least, and not needles like we see in some storms. A better DGZ signal would mean even with low precip totals, you can still sneak an inch or two, especially near I-95. I'm still not feeling anything more than an inch areas west of the cities, but I can see how that does occur. Need some luck in the upper levels. Cities on southeast I think see 1+" at this rate. Eastern shore is where the totals start rising significantly with areas like SBY to just inland of the coast getting hit pretty good. 

I know it is somewhat comparing apples to oranges but the 12K and 3K are very similar in low placement at 24 hours and yet you are seeing a more expansive presipn field to the north and west on the 3K. The look on the 3K is closer to what I would have expected to see on the 12 K. But, as you said in regards to a deep dry layer in the lower levels, maybe the 12 K has it and the 3K doesn't. All I know is that the 12K has been really rough with the surface reflection when compared to the upper levels over the last couple of days of runs. 

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15 minutes ago, showmethesnow said:

I know it is somewhat comparing apples to oranges but the 12K and 3K are very similar in low placement at 24 hours and yet you are seeing a more expansive presipn field to the north and west on the 3K. The look on the 3K is closer to what I would have expected to see on the 12 K. But, as you said in regards to a deep dry layer in the lower levels, maybe the 12 K has it and the 3K doesn't. All I know is that the 12K has been really rough with the surface reflection when compared to the upper levels over the last couple of days of runs. 

They both have it and actually erode it around the same time (7/8z). The biggest thing I see from each model, looking at Bufkit, is the 3K has a more pronounced LLJ that would be aiding in a better presentation west of the Bay. NAM around 45-50 knots while 3K is running around 60 knots

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46 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Gfs did ok. 2" with 10:1 ratios.  Kuchera would probably be 3'ish.

Sledable.  Thats all I really care about.  Just give me enough to take my kids to CCBC Catonsville or maybe Oregon Ridge.  

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17 minutes ago, Jebman said:

Keep checking the models. This thing has been fun to track. Check out the radar near N FL/SE GA.

I still don’t get it. In a sane world, we would be in a full bread and tp panic with this monster. Total mass hysteria.  Sadly though, we merely live in a world where my iPhone button is much bigger than everyone else’s. :lol:

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