40/70 Benchmark Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Here's the total Snow and Total QPF. Not sure why the difference in SE MA. Looked cold enough for all snow just off the Canal. Deformation right over me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 18z mesoanalysis: SLP at 1004 mb, placement more similar to 12z Euro/RGEM than 12z NAM Can see the battle for dominance east of FL on water vapor... NAM favored a more northwest SLP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, wxsniss said: 18z mesoanalysis: SLP at 1004 mb, placement more similar to 12z Euro/RGEM than 12z NAM Can see the battle for dominance east of FL on water vapor... NAM favored a more northwest SLP Of course it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 This is long and not for the ema crowd. Just the red headed stepchild, SCT. .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT/... ** Heavy snow with strong winds expected for Suffolk County and much of Southern CT Wed Night through Thu - Blizzard Conditions Possible ** ** Light to Moderate snow accumulations and strong winds expected Wed Night through Thu for remainder of the region - Moderate to Heavy snow accumulation possible ** Polar trough will continue to dig into the SE US, aided by one strong shortwave/jet streak diving through the Gulf Coast this morning, and by a second separate vigorous shortwave/jet streak diving through the lower Mississippi River Valley this morning. As mentioned over the last few days, there are still subtle model differences in the timing/location of phasing of the above shortwave energies as they round the base of the digging trough this evening/tonight, as well as a final interaction with a third shortwave/jet streak (diving through the Upper Mississippi River Valley this morning) off the SE US coast late tonight into Thursday morning. This interaction will affect the track and timing of explosively deepening low pressure. The other factor appears to be models having difficulty with convection development and vorticity feedback off the US east coast as this intense mid/upper level energy interacts with a sub-tropical moisture plume, which also could play a significant factor in low pressure track. Operational models have already shifted about 50 miles closer to LI with track of low pressure by late Thursday than 24 hrs ago, with consensus track of a 955 to 960 mb low pressure system tracking over or just se of the 40/70 lat/lon benchmark. The exact phasing evolution will determine any additional forecast track adjustment, with GEFS/ECMWF/SREF still showing at least 150 miles of spread in members within 24-36 hrs. This range of potential shift would have significant implication on westward expanse of frontogenetically forced heavy snow banding, and strong to damaging wind fields with this intense low. In fact 06z NAM, has taken a significant shift westward from 00z with its frontogenetic forcing, showing potential for 1 ft+ snow across the entire area. For this reason, NHC will be doing a reconnaissance flight and several dropsondes this afternoon/evening off the Fl/SE US coast to better capture this phasing and convection latent heat release in the models. For now, based on above and consensus 00z operational/ensemble track and uncertainty, expectation for snow to develop from S/SE to N/NW tonight as polar and southern stream jet energy phase. This will place the region under deep lift of right rear of 150 kt jet streak, with subtropical moisture being fed by cold conveyor into the region. Then as phasing shortwave energy and rapidly deepening low pressure move up the coast tonight, LI and SE/SC CT are expected to fall under strong low- mid level forcing late tonight into Thu afternoon. Heavy snow banding is typically under and just to the NW of that. Also potential for enhanced updraft/convection through CSI as indicated by negative epv above the frontogenetic forcing. SPC SREF/SPC HREF corroborate this through indicating a moderate to high potential for 1 per hour snowfall rates during this time, and possibly 2 inch per hour. Once again though, this banding could expand/shift westward by 50 or more miles, which is in the realm of QPF spread seen in GEFS and SREF, which have a reasonable range of 1/10 to 1 inch across NYC! So overall, the probability for a light to moderate accumulating snowfall event for the entire area is high late tonight into Thu eve, with a heavy snowfall expected for much of LI and CT. Potential still exists for the entire region to see a moderate to heavy snow event. A good middle of the road compromise for qpf with the track/banding uncertainty is staying close to GEFS/SREF/ECMWF ensemble means. This was blended in with WPC for consistency. This results in 1/2 to 1 inch qpf across LI/SE CT, 1/4th to 1/2 inch across NYC/NJ metro and SW CT, and up to 1/4 inch to the NW. Snow ratios are a bit tricky with strong omega in the saturated snow growth and eventually in the warmer riming saturated region, especially for eastern and coastal areas. So a blend of snow ratio algorithms and WPC was used that appear to capture this. This points towards a likelihood of 6 to 12 inch snowfall for E LI/SE CT, 4 to 7 inches westward to the Hudson River, and 1 to 4 inches to the NW. As mentioned, this remains a fluid situation based on model spread, with potential for these numbers to go down, but still seems more reasonable upwards based on model trends and mode of SREF/GEFS/ECMWF ensemble members compared to operational runs. This higher trend is reflected in latest WFO/WPC snow probs, with high probs of greater than 6 inches of snow across E LI/SE CT and low to moderate probs to Hudson River. A significant jump in the reasonable worse case has also been noted, with 1 in 10 chance of seeing more than 12-16 inches of snow across much of LI/CT, 8 to 12 inches of snow across NYC/NJ metro to Hudson River, and 4 to 8 inches N & W still in play. In fact, the 06z NAM has come in with 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 inches of liquid QPF for much of the region, which is within SREF ensemble spread. The other hazard with this storm continues to be strong winds, with a blend between GFS/NAM profiles pointing to likelihood for 30 to 40 mph gusts along the coast Thu aft/eve, and 45-50 mph gusts for eastern coastal areas. This will lead to blowing and drifting snow, possibly near whiteout conditions in the warned areas, as well as some downed tree limbs and power lines. Based on above, have upgraded to winter storm warning for Suffolk and SE CT with 6 to 10 inches of snow expected and potential for 1 ft or more. No blizzard warnings at this time, as despite likely high winds, heavy snowfall and low vbsy, but low confidence that sub 1 ft snowfall will have significant enough impacts. If expected snowfall amounts increase today, and therefore high end impacts, a blizzard warning will be hoisted. A Winter storm watch issued for NYC metro, Nassau and SW CT with 3 to 7 inches expected and potential for widespread in excess of 6 inches. To the N&W of this region an advisory is likely, but not enough confidence in 6+" for watch. Have held off on headlines after collab with surrounding offices in this region due to 3rd period timing and uncertainty. Again, if 6z NAM is pre-cursor, we may see the warning upgraded another tier westward or possibly more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, Hazey said: I have no words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
correnjim1 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 i wonder if they will up Bos to blizzard warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolMike Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 1/2/2018 at 10:25 AM, sbos_wx said: Wasn't sure after the last three pages of disco, thanks for confirmation Your welcome. For what its worth today's 12z NAM again shows a huge bomb. Enjoy the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, correnjim1 said: i wonder if they will up Bos to blizzard warning I wonder why they didn't in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterfish55 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bostonseminole said: Nice to see Leo making videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Sticking with my 3-5". It was my first--and now final--call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, moneypitmike said: Sticking with my 3-5". It was my first--and now final--call. Good call imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, sbos_wx said: I wonder why they didn't in the first place Agree. Maybe part of the hesitation is whether heaviest snowfall (roughly 10am-5pm) matches heaviest winds (latter half of storm) to make 3 hours of criteria, but I'd think Boston certainly has better chance of that than southeast MA. It'll probably come up this afternoon given Euro held steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Wondering if all these ticks west in guidance has pit me in the rain zone. It's currently 31 degrees. Quite balmy relatively speaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkO Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, butterfish55 said: Nice to see Leo making videos I thought I heard him say it's Hazey?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 i'm hoping someone's doing one of those three day long, high res satellite loops for when this is history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, butterfish55 said: Nice to see Leo making videos "Maaasssive storm is going to bring up to....... a lot of snow!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, MarkO said: I thought I heard him say it's Hazey?!?!? LOL no not me. Although the guy is pulling in six figures a year from Youtube and with his endorsements and bobble head and t-shirts and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlauderdal Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, wxsniss said: 18z mesoanalysis: SLP at 1004 mb, placement more similar to 12z Euro/RGEM than 12z NAM Can see the battle for dominance east of FL on water vapor... NAM favored a more northwest SLP the euro was throwing off multiple lows yesterday and sure enough there is low analyzed right off the coast of FLL and then another low off of daytona beach which will be the primary low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, MarkO said: I thought I heard him say it's Hazey?!?!? I think its his brother Crazey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Sorry for the big font, dunno what happenned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo2000 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, butterfish55 said: Nice to see Leo making videos That is not me that is Frankie MacDonald is a the Maritime's popular weather man. I got a question Southeastern Mass is expected by some Mets to get hit the hardest with the snow wouldn't that particular track gives Nova Scotia more snow?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Of course it is. Fwiw. Latest deep thunder has 15 for Hartford and 12 for NYC. Shifted west quite a bit. Who knows if this model is worth anything. U can find the map. In the MA forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, leo2000 said: That is not me that is Frankie MacDonald is a the Maritime's popular weather man. I got a question Southeastern Mass is expected by some Mets to get hit the hardest with the snow wouldn't that particular track gives Nova Scotia more snow?. No. You're on the wrong side of the storm. You warm, you rain. Enjoy the wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, moneypitmike said: Sticking with my 3-5". It was my first--and now final--call. I'll likely get 3-5" in a span of 1-2hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 So the NWS throwing out their own definition of a blizzard warning and going with the public definition.... blizzard = foot+ of snow No blizzard warnings at this time, as despite likely high winds, heavy snowfall and low vbsy, but low confidence that sub 1 ft snowfall will have significant enough impacts. If expected snowfall amounts increase today, and therefore high end impacts, a blizzard warning will be hoisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo2000 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hazey said: No. You're on the wrong side of the storm. You warm, you rain. Enjoy the wind Environment Canada calling for 15-25 cm of snow here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: I'll likely get 3-5" in a span of 1-2hrs. It is not unreasonable to think that you surpass our season to date total with one storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: So the NWS throwing out their own definition of a blizzard warning and going with the public definition.... blizzard = foot+ of snow No blizzard warnings at this time, as despite likely high winds, heavy snowfall and low vbsy, but low confidence that sub 1 ft snowfall will have significant enough impacts. If expected snowfall amounts increase today, and therefore high end impacts, a blizzard warning will be hoisted. Where is that from? Didn't see that on Box AFD. That's frustrating if true... I see NWS as a scientific expert profession that should not be so influenced by optics in the public eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southshorewx Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 ETA first flakes in Boston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, wxsniss said: Where is that from? Didn't see that on Box AFD. That's frustrating if true... I see NWS as a scientific expert profession that should not be so influenced by optics in the public eye. OKX not BOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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