WxUSAF Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 Euro is like super-boxing day. Vort spacing is much closer vs the Canadian and hence the crappy outcome. Where has that been an issue before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 On 12/26/2017 at 5:59 AM, leesburg 04 said: That storm on the 7th is the one This one is mine give or take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, leesburg 04 said: This one is mine give or take Today the Euro says the 8th or 9th. Interestingly the euro also has its own iteration of the AK ridge. Fantasy relax remains on hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frd Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bob Chill said: Today the Euro says the 8th or 9th. Interestingly the euro also has its own iteration of the AK ridge. Fantasy relax remains on hold. Interesting progression, Jan may turn out a bit different from expectations. Wonder what this pattern would roll over too. Another thing too, considering maybe a - NAO developing after a break down and re-load . Wonder if by the end of Jan heights build over Greenland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bob Chill said: Today the Euro says the 8th or 9th. Interestingly the euro also has its own iteration of the AK ridge. Fantasy relax remains on hold. Remember when the euro ensembles looked like your old avatar? I miss those days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frd Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, leesburg 04 said: Remember when the euro ensembles looked like your old avatar? I miss those days Thank goodness for the - EPO, if not ouch. The - NAO sure did not work out. What's new right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frd Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 From HM back in Nov. Looking good so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, frd said: From HM back in Nov. Looking good so far All of them had suppression issues too I believe at some point. I know 2000 did for most of mid December and 81-82 did the entire winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 82 the historic "Cold Sundays" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tenman Johnson said: 82 the historic "Cold Sundays" Pretty active storm wise that January as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said: All of them had suppression issues too I believe at some point. I know 2000 did for most of mid December and 81-82 did the entire winter 81/82 was a very good snow winter here. 1/82 cleared 14” at all three of IAD/BWI/DCA, so no long term suppression issues here in spite of the historic Inauguration cold. 1/01 was boring with three chances and some snow and 1/84 was a gradient snow month, much better for the NW suburbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The cold hammer won't prevail the entire winter; it never has. Once things relax some, we'll have some legit shots after the next 10 days, assuming, of course, we end up striking out during that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conway7305 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 30 minutes ago, frd said: Thank goodness for the - EPO, if not ouch. The - NAO sure did not work out. What's new right. The NAO can make abrupt changes. It was suppose to go negative last week into this week then shifted course in a matter of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osfan24 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, gymengineer said: 81/82 was a very good snow winter here. 1/82 cleared 14” at all three of IAD/BWI/DCA, so no long term suppression issues here in spite of the historic Inauguration cold. 1/01 was boring with three chances and some snow and 1/84 was a gradient snow month, much better for the NW suburbs. 14 inches is not even close to a good winter in my book. It's not even climo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 EPS is starting to pick up on the jacked up coastal d7+. Not a ton of support but notably more than last night. Overall it looks too east or too late but it's a recent development so who knows how it breaks. Nice to see some support though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, gymengineer said: 81/82 was a very good snow winter here. 1/82 cleared 14” at all three of IAD/BWI/DCA, so no long term suppression issues here in spite of the historic Inauguration cold. 1/01 was boring with three chances and some snow and 1/84 was a gradient snow month, much better for the NW suburbs. 83/84-all I can remember is Christmas day single digits. I remember driving over to the Chesapeake Bay looking for possible bay effect snsw, but no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, osfan24 said: 14 inches is not even close to a good winter in my book. It's not even climo. Oh my goodness. So negative all the time. Read what I wrote- 14+” for just the month January. The winter was well above average 23-30” for the three airports. And, yes, long timers will tell you it was a very good winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, mitchnick said: 83/84-all I can remember is Christmas day single digits. I remember driving over to the Chesapeake Bay looking for possible bay effect snsw, but no luck. Pretty good quick hitter in January. Don't remember the day but it was 4-7 across the metro. Snowed heavy for about 4-6 hours. Very similar to the march clipper that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, mitchnick said: 83/84-all I can remember is Christmas day single digits. I remember driving over to the Chesapeake Bay looking for possible bay effect snsw, but no luck. In 83 Cmas the old Choptank River bridge was in use and it was so windy that the spray iced some of the road deck during the middle of the day. The wind chill in early night was top 3 coldest ever for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osfan24 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, gymengineer said: Oh my goodness. So negative all the time. Read what I wrote- 14+” for just the month January. The winter was well above average 23-30” for the three airports. And, yes, long timers will tell you it was a very good winter. Ah my bad, I thought you made a typo and by 1/82 you left out the "8" in front of 81 since you were talking about the winter as a whole. Yes, 14 inches in one month is quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Bob Chill said: EPS is starting to pick up on the jacked up coastal d7+. Not a ton of support but notably more than last night. Overall it looks too east or too late but it's a recent development so who knows how it breaks. Nice to see some support though. Is it my poor or just jaded memory that when the Euro picks up on a NE bomb, it holds onto it more than it ever holds on to anything showing a MA bomb. Just yesterday it had the great look for us and then it went to the NE bomb last night, then again today, and now the eps are jumping on board in support. I think their European latitude gives them an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 you remember when bob chill was talking about how the models were showing January 87:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, gymengineer said: Oh my goodness. So negative all the time. Read what I wrote- 14+” for just the month January. The winter was well above average 23-30” for the three airports. And, yes, long timers will tell you it was a very good winter. Snow cover for most of the month. We would all sign up for Jan. 82 in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, HighStakes said: Snow cover for most of the month. We would all sign up for Jan. 82 in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, HighStakes said: Pretty good quick hitter in January. Don't remember the day but it was 4-7 across the metro. Snowed heavy for about 4-6 hours. Very similar to the march clipper that year. And a severe cold wave following... IAD set its all time coldest temps at -18 F and a -16 F the night before with highs in the teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 There have been some solid other cold ones but would say either via duration or intensity the historic ones around me were 77,82,85 and 94. Feb 2007 and a few others one level down from the history makers inaguration morning at 2am 1985 the temp was minus 2 and winds gusting to 30-35mph I know we aren't to use wind chill in gusts but your skin feels the gusts and on the old scale that was -55 wc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, gymengineer said: And a severe cold wave following... IAD set its all time coldest temps at -18 F and a -16 F the night before with highs in the teens. Perhaps the greatest calm winds radiational I have ever witnessed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osfan24 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, mitchnick said: Is it my poor or just jaded memory that when the Euro picks up on a NE bomb, it holds onto it more than it ever holds on to anything showing a MA bomb. Just yesterday it had the great look for us and then it went to the NE bomb last night, then again today, and now the eps are jumping on board in support. I think their European latitude gives them an edge. I think that's more because this type of northern stream dominated pattern is very conducive to big NE snowstorms unfortunately. We saw this happen just a few winters ago when Boston got insane amounts of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, Ji said: you remember when bob chill was talking about how the models were showing January 87:( Damn, that was a typo. I meant Jan 86. Sorry about that dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 EPS control says DC to Philly get screwed and NY and Boston score big. I'd take this, since snow is better than no snow Canadian has, funnily enough, been the most consistent with the storm. It strengthens it very early, resulting in a MECS. Best case scenario, basically. I wouldn't put much stock in it, since it's the Canadian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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