the_other_guy Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 This storm has me thinking about an unforecasted first snow event in Dec 1993 that happened mid month. We left the city around noon to snow flakes for a ride up to Putnam. By the time we returned at night, shovels were out and we had around 3 inches in the city. It was a notable event because up north they had nothing. There was a strong cutoff in lower westchester. Does anyone else have the details of this unexpected xmas gift in 1993 right around this date? That winter went on to be our first “brutal” winter in my cognitive lifetime...much of which involved a brutal icestorm in early January. Back then NYC schools didnt close...and we had plenty of days with city busses stuck in the snow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 It was exactly this date, roughly speaking. It was a Saturday night about the second week of December on the day friends of ours have their annual Christmas Party. They were in SE Nassau in the bullseye and got close to 6". 10 miles east where I lived at the time there was about 1.5". I also recall about 3" in the city delighting the RC tree peepers. Going to that same party again tonight. Still going after all these years but we ain't babies any more. They seem to get snow 80% of the time for this party. Must be be some Christmas magic. 12/11/1993: Bridgehampton 1.0 Islip LI Macarthur AP 0.8 Mineola 2.1 New York JFK Intl AP 3.3 New York La Guardia AP 5.0 NY City Central Park 2.9 Patchogue 2 N 1.5 Riverhead Research Farm 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SnowGoose69 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 2 hours ago, jfklganyc said: This storm has me thinking about an unforecasted first snow event in Dec 1993 that happened mid month. We left the city around noon to snow flakes for a ride up to Putnam. By the time we returned at night, shovels were out and we had around 3 inches in the city. It was a notable event because up north they had nothing. There was a strong cutoff in lower westchester. Does anyone else have the details of this unexpected xmas gift in 1993 right around this date? That winter went on to be our first “brutal” winter in my cognitive lifetime...much of which involved a brutal icestorm in early January. Back then NYC schools didnt close...and we had plenty of days with city busses stuck in the snow! The models actually correctly forecast that event 3-4 days out then more or less lost it. It was the other way we can get rain to snow behind a departing low pressure area or front other than the classic closed off low or wave riding behind the front and it doesn’t happen often. It will usually feature a very deep negative titled upper trof or low like shown in the link below and a surface low way east of the area off MA. 12/24/2010 was a somewhat similar event but was limited in area. I think some areas of Suffolk saw 4 inches that night unexpected. April 2000 I think had a setup like this too http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/1993/us1211.php#picture http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/2010/us1214.php#picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 that fall I built a sled out of two by fours and skis...It was a fast sled and I used it with my kids for the first time the next day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 16 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said: The models actually correctly forecast that event 3-4 days out then more or less lost it. It was the other way we can get rain to snow behind a departing low pressure area or front other than the classic closed off low or wave riding behind the front and it doesn’t happen often. It will usually feature a very deep negative titled upper trof or low like shown in the link below and a surface low way east of the area off MA. 12/24/2010 was a somewhat similar event but was limited in area. I think some areas of Suffolk saw 4 inches that night unexpected. April 2000 I think had a setup like this too http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/1993/us1211.php#picture http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/2010/us1214.php#picture Dec. 15th 1968 NYC got a similar storm...I'm not sure if it was the same set up but it was a storm that got us on the back side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I have no idea of the date but it was Dec in the late 80s or early 90s. The forecast was for drizzle ending by noon with the chance of a flurry later in the day. I had a basketball game that day and it was lightly raining when I went inside. I came out and it was much colder and was snowing moderately. We went on to get at least 6" of snow which was not in the forecast at all. Long Island jackpotted the event. Anyone have any idea of the date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rjay said: I have no idea of the date but it was Dec in the late 80s or early 90s. The forecast was for drizzle ending by noon with the chance of a flurry later in the day. I had a basketball game that day and it was lightly raining when I went inside. I came out and it was much colder and was snowing moderately. We went on to get at least 6" of snow which was not in the forecast at all. Long Island jackpotted the event. Anyone have any idea of the date? maybe it was the year before when there was a major storm ending as snow?...Brooklyn got an inch before it ended... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, uncle W said: maybe it was the year before when there was a major storm ending as snow?...Brooklyn got an inch before it ended... Thank you but I don't know. There was no measurable snow forecasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 36 minutes ago, Rjay said: I have no idea of the date but it was Dec in the late 80s or early 90s. The forecast was for drizzle ending by noon with the chance of a flurry later in the day. I had a basketball game that day and it was lightly raining when I went inside. I came out and it was much colder and was snowing moderately. We went on to get at least 6" of snow which was not in the forecast at all. Long Island jackpotted the event. Anyone have any idea of the date? You? Basketball? lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, BxEngine said: You? Basketball? lolz I played 6 sports growing up. All-county in 2. Suck it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Rjay said: Thank you but I don't know. There was no measurable snow forecasted. what day of the week was it?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 15 minutes ago, uncle W said: what day of the week was it?... Not sure. I was young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 Thank you for the info and video! Fun memory on a snowy day...from afar in Daytona Beach! (49 here going into the 30s btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Rjay said: I have no idea of the date but it was Dec in the late 80s or early 90s. The forecast was for drizzle ending by noon with the chance of a flurry later in the day. I had a basketball game that day and it was lightly raining when I went inside. I came out and it was much colder and was snowing moderately. We went on to get at least 6" of snow which was not in the forecast at all. Long Island jackpotted the event. Anyone have any idea of the date? That had to be 12/11/93. It was a Saturday. I don't recall any other December day where that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said: That had to be 12/11/93. It was a Saturday. I don't recall any other December day where that happened. It can't be. Ed posted the snow totals. I'm 100% positive about the amounts. I know it was near Christmas time bc I remember the tree still being up. I guess it's possible it was in early January though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/9/2017 at 1:24 PM, NorthShoreWx said: It was exactly this date, roughly speaking. It was a Saturday night about the second week of December on the day friends of ours have their annual Christmas Party. They were in SE Nassau in the bullseye and got close to 6". 10 miles east where I lived at the time there was about 1.5". I also recall about 3" in the city delighting the RC tree peepers. Going to that same party again tonight. Still going after all these years but we ain't babies any more. They seem to get snow 80% of the time for this party. Must be be some Christmas magic. 12/11/1993: Bridgehampton 1.0 Islip LI Macarthur AP 0.8 Mineola 2.1 New York JFK Intl AP 3.3 New York La Guardia AP 5.0 NY City Central Park 2.9 Patchogue 2 N 1.5 Riverhead Research Farm 2.0 Thanks this matches my memory of a 4" snowfall! We had another 4-5" later in the month right after the solstice on a coastal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 On 12/9/2017 at 3:12 PM, Rjay said: I have no idea of the date but it was Dec in the late 80s or early 90s. The forecast was for drizzle ending by noon with the chance of a flurry later in the day. I had a basketball game that day and it was lightly raining when I went inside. I came out and it was much colder and was snowing moderately. We went on to get at least 6" of snow which was not in the forecast at all. Long Island jackpotted the event. Anyone have any idea of the date? That was the same storm I talked about earlier it stalled SE of the Hamptons and we had a 36 hr snowfall. But I thought it happened in February not December? It was in 1991 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Paragon said: That was the same storm I talked about earlier it stalled SE of the Hamptons and we had a 36 hr snowfall. But I thought it happened in February not December? It was in 1991 I believe. The one I'm talking about was an 8-12 hour snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rjay said: The one I'm talking about was an 8-12 hour snowfall. It could be I'm confusing two different storms. There was another one that had similar amounts to that one, both jackpotted Long Island, the other one occurred on a weekend (either Saturday or Sunday) and was also a wave along a stalled front. Snow began falling early in the morning, fell most of the day (my favorite kind) and ended just before sunset and then the skies cleared for a beautiful sunset and amazingly clear and very starry skies. Does that sound about right? One thing that was distinctive about this one was that skies cleared from north to south. This was also an early 90s event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 No idea how you guys remember these storms in such detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Paragon said: It could be I'm confusing two different storms. There was another one that had similar amounts to that one, both jackpotted Long Island, the other one occurred on a weekend (either Saturday or Sunday) and was also a wave along a stalled front. Snow began falling early in the morning, fell most of the day (my favorite kind) and ended just before sunset and then the skies cleared for a beautiful sunset and amazingly clear and very starry skies. Does that sound about right? One thing that was distinctive about this one was that skies cleared from north to south. This was also an early 90s event. That sounds like 2/6/93 which was a Saturday event. It was an arctic front that had a weak low form on it as it crossed and 4-5 inches fell. The forecast I think was only for 1-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 22 hours ago, SnowGoose69 said: That sounds like 2/6/93 which was a Saturday event. It was an arctic front that had a weak low form on it as it crossed and 4-5 inches fell. The forecast I think was only for 1-2 Yes that's the one! I think you figured out the unpredicted 36 hour event for me too, that one jackpotted JFK didn't it? I think you said it was in 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SnowGoose69 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Paragon said: Yes that's the one! I think you figured out the unpredicted 36 hour event for me too, that one jackpotted JFK didn't it? I think you said it was in 1991. There was a storm in late February 1991 that may have been it. I think even Central Park did well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said: There was a storm in late February 1991 that may have been it. I think even Central Park did well Wish I could find a map for that one. The snow was in a thin stripe from Newark to the Hamptons. Nothing in Boston and nothing in Philly. 4-8 inches in the region that got hit. Would have been a lot more but most of the snow that fell during the day did not stick (33/34 degrees). Once the sun set it stuck to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Paragon said: Wish I could find a map for that one. The snow was in a thin stripe from Newark to the Hamptons. Nothing in Boston and nothing in Philly. 4-8 inches in the region that got hit. Would have been a lot more but most of the snow that fell during the day did not stick (33/34 degrees). Once the sun set it stuck to everything. I have a video of that storm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 21 hours ago, uncle W said: I have a video of that storm... Thanks how much snow was that! What was the set up for that storm? I think only one local met (Bob Harris / WPIX) predicted it. One of our longest snowstorms of the 90s (pre Jan 1996) I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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