RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:22 PM, dryslot said: Still progressive in that fast flow and scoots NE as it gains lat Expand 2-4” for chh and 1-2” for n and w? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:22 PM, CoastalWx said: Yeah it looked like it had the chance to tick west. But, here we go with next one. Expand Next man up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:22 PM, CoastalWx said: Yeah it looked like it had the chance to tick west. But, here we go with next one. Expand I like that next shortwave, if the first one gets east fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxBlue Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Too bad Maue's site don't have vorticity maps up yet. Would love to see how energies are behaving on the Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 That trough on the EURO is massive, all the way down to the GULF OF MEXICO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:23 PM, dryslot said: Next man up Expand Hopefully the next s/w will do its job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:24 PM, WxBlue said: Too bad Maue's site don't have vorticity maps up yet. Would love to see how energies are behaving on the Euro. Expand https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/usa/relative-vorticity-500mb/20171204-2100z.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:25 PM, dendrite said: Hopefully the next s/w will do its job. Expand It will be better then 0z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:25 PM, USCAPEWEATHERAF said: That trough on the EURO is massive, all the way down to the GULF OF MEXICO Expand It’s still too positively tilted for my snow goggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxBlue Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:26 PM, dendrite said: https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/usa/relative-vorticity-500mb/20171204-2100z.html Expand Forgot about that website. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Widespread advisory, borderline WSW Sunday, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:26 PM, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: It’s still too positively tilted for my snow goggles. Expand We will need one of these lobes to amplify, Euro is trying to do it this run with the second wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:28 PM, CoastalWx said: Widespread advisory, borderline WSW Sunday, Expand That one had a little more oomph this run, That's the one we need to key on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:29 PM, dryslot said: That one had a little more oomph this run, That the one we need to key on. Expand Yea, screw the first wave get that ish out the way lets get the next lobe to dig deep and in the backside, deep and back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 So the GFS is a WSW for Eastern MA, while EURO is trending towards the GFS, with the second shortwave with an advisory to borderline event for Sat/Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:30 PM, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Yea, screw the first wave get that ish out the wat lets get the next love to dig deep and in the backside, deep and back.... Expand Sort of reminds me of a hybrid version of a miller B and the January 26-28 2015 Blizzard JUNO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just not as strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:30 PM, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Yea, screw the first wave get that ish out the wat lets get the next love to dig deep and in the backside, deep and back.... Expand You know the models are going to start to grasp one of these as we get closer in, I would rather it be the this second one as well with a little more cold air in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Euro drops 1-2” Fri nite and 3-6 Sunday Days and days of continuous snows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:32 PM, dryslot said: You know the models are going to start to grasp one of these as we get closer in, I would rather it be the this second one as well with a little more cold air in place. Expand Agreed. Problem would also be wave spacing. If the 1st one is too close to the follow-up wave it may push the best baro zone offshore not allowing the follow up wave room to amplify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 This second shortwave is a more amplified energy than the Manitoba Mauler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:32 PM, dryslot said: You know the models are going to start to grasp one of these as we get closer in, I would rather it be the this second one as well with a little more cold air in place. Expand True. 6 days is an eternity for them to figure out timing of lobe breakage and dumpage. Lets get the cutter pattern change system into hudson bay, then we handle weekend better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Am I wrong in my analysis that Sunday/ Sunday night is probably a better system anyway? Seems colder and that it may be stronger anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:33 PM, Damage In Tolland said: Euro drops 1-2” Fri nite and 3-6 Sunday Days and days of continuous snows Expand Give me Burl Ives over Currier and Ives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:34 PM, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Am I wrong in my analysis that Sunday/ Sunday night is probably a better system anyway? Seems colder and that it may be stronger anyway Expand Yes this is the stronger vort max, associated with a mid level low, at times is closed in the Great Lakes and OH Valley. If wave spacing allows, this wave can amplify off the Mid Atlantic Coast and hit the BM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Perhaps also allow a better more extreme baroclinic zone to develop over the Gulf Stream if we get a colder air mass overhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:34 PM, Baroclinic Zone said: Agreed. Problem would also be wave spacing. If the 1st one is too close to the follow-up wave it may push the best baro zone offshore not allowing the follow up wave room to amplify. Expand The spacing could be problematic as you mentioned, It was actually better that the first one ended up weaker and further east this run which gave this one the room to amplify and be more west, Still work to do but i would like to see more of the focus be on the second wave, That may end up being our best bet at something more moderate and widespread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I would say Sunday looks like the better shortwave on most guidance. Definitely some more room there to amplify. That said, can't rule out Friday night/early Saturday...that is a scraper for an inch or two on the Euro and same with GGEM (and perhaps Ukie). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 6:41 PM, ORH_wxman said: I would say Sunday looks like the better shortwave on most guidance. Definitely some more room there to amplify. That said, can't rule out Friday night/early Saturday...that is a scraper for an inch or two on the Euro and same with GGEM (and perhaps Ukie). Expand Is UKMET in range for the Sunday event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Finally A legit snowstorm threat on the models to watch within a week's time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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