dendrite Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Damage In Tolland said: The pond on 74 at bottom of hill has some thin ice on it. I’ve never seen that this early I read somewhere that it happened frequently when you were a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Today in 1911 OKC set both a record high and record low for the date. Now that's a Blue Norther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: The pond on 74 at bottom of hill has some thin ice on it. I’ve never seen that this early Fake ice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 hours ago, CoastalWx said: I also would say OWD and TAN in MA really tank in ideal conditions. I would add CEF to that list as well. I would agree that SLK would be king in the northeast but BML is a good one in New England. There's a bunch of sites outside of first order stations though in the NEK, N NH or N ME that I would add if we want to go down that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 HUL, PQI, 1P1, ORE, MVY, MVL, VSF all have their good radiating moments too. If you're going to include SLK, ART can get some crazy radiation when they have pack and actually go calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said: Nah that doesn’t bother me. Honestly. Radiation cold is not real , because as soon as sun comes up it’s 65 where they were scraping. This is real cold . Still windy . We run True, just like vegetation-fed summer dews aren't reflective of the airmass above. However, for the battery and oil in my pickup, radiational cold can be very real. On a bottom-of-winter morning it may be near zero at 500', but it's still -25 where the vehicle lives. No radiation last night - temps leveled off then wiggled between 17-19 last evening, did not get much colder overnight, and it's breezy out there today, though nothing like yesterday. If the clouds and wind stay away tonight, we should cool down to current dews, mid singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Fake ice? If it’s ice is it fake ? It was generated from real CAA cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 27 minutes ago, dendrite said: I read somewhere that it happened frequently when you were a kid. My neighbors said yes . Back before we lived here it did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, tamarack said: True, just like vegetation-fed summer dews aren't reflective of the airmass above. However, for the battery and oil in my pickup, radiational cold can be very real. On a bottom-of-winter morning it may be near zero at 500', but it's still -25 where the vehicle lives. No radiation last night - temps leveled off then wiggled between 17-19 last evening, did not get much colder overnight, and it's breezy out there today, though nothing like yesterday. If the clouds and wind stay away tonight, we should cool down to current dews, mid singles. I think HP will be overhead tonight so we probably crack into single digits or dam close to it, Overnight here last night made it to 19°F but it stayed pretty breezy all night and still is now with some gust in the 20's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: If it’s ice is it fake ? It was generated from real CAA cold Curious. Ice on CAA is real, ice on radiational cooling not real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, OceanStWx said: Curious. Ice on CAA is real, ice on radiational cooling not real. It melts much faster . Less staying power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 15.1F up on the hill. Pond froze over Real cold, Real ice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Down 20 last nightSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxBlue Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Only got down to 19 last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 55 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: It melts much faster . Less staying power This makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said: If it’s ice is it fake ? It was generated from real CAA cold The beaver ponds have had ice on them up here several times but how does real ice form from fake cold. That's the real question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said: It melts much faster . Less staying power Haha I actually chuckled at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 It's about as quintessential November as it can get here. Coating of snow, cold sunny day. A few brown leaves left only on the oaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Haha I actually chuckled at that. Ice is ice, If its solid blue doesn't matter what type of cold made it.............lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 When I moved to Concord MA 24 years ago, the old-timers talked about skating and sledding before Thanksgiving. They talked about it as if it happened regularly. I doubt the historical record supports. It's like my son will be able to say, "I skied Wachusett top to bottom on natural snow in October when I was a kid." It happened once (2011) - as I get older, I realize memories are funny that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 hours ago, OceanStWx said: Today in 1911 OKC set both a record high and record low for the date. Now that's a Blue Norther. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Blue_Norther_of_November_11,_1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 I can't say when exactly but I know we were ice skating in Woodstock, CT for Thanksgiving one year. It would've been like 1998-2003 time frame but family was playing ice hockey on the lake there on Thanksgiving weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: Dude, you there is no logic anywhere in this post above - flawed everywhere.... Shows a distinct lack of understanding as to the rudimentary facts and behaviors of the natural world. About all this shows is valid sentence structure and enough of a command for English to communicate - unfortunately, ...you are clearly doing so from a perspective steeped in ignorance and faux understanding where there is any at all. -20 F air there --> +20 F here = modification. Period. Stop responding Please don't silence me. Airmasses are never as cold here as in Nunavut or wherever they come from in arctic outbreaks. That's mostly a result of climo and sun angle, not really modification. Your original argument was that the airmass modified due to lack of snow cover. Yet Canadian snow cover is at record high levels for the date. So how is that an argument? Also, does a modified airmass really set record lows across the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, nzucker said: Please don't silence me. Airmasses are never as cold here as in Nunavut or wherever they come from in arctic outbreaks. That's mostly a result of climo and sun angle, not really modification. Your original argument was that the airmass modified due to lack of snow cover. Yet Canadian snow cover is at record high levels for the date. So how is that an argument? Also, does a modified airmass really set record lows across the board? Pretty much without exception all air masses arrive here modified, because as you say they no longer support the temps seen in the Arctic. In that sense Tip is right. But there are certainly examples you point out that are more favorable for minimum modification. A north shot of cold vs. a west one coming across the open Great Lakes (those pump out a lot of latent heat this time of year and that only supports the picnic table snow depth). In that sense you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, nzucker said: Please don't silence me. Airmasses are never as cold here as in Nunavut or wherever they come from in arctic outbreaks. 1 ...That's mostly a result of climo and sun angle, not really modification. Your original argument was that the airmass modified due to lack of snow cover. 2..Yet Canadian snow cover is at record high levels for the date. So how is that an argument? 3..Also, does a modified airmass really set record lows across the board? You need to stop posting about this subject matter - there is no grand intent to "silence you" ... 1.. precisely wrong as it relates to the context of the original post, which discussed where the air mass CAME FROM ... the fact that it CAME FROM THERE and was longer as cold when it got here IS MODIFICATION ... It was cold... it came here LESS COLD. Not entirely clear why such a simple concept fails to penetrate your mind, yet you persist with this obstinate and incorrect retorting position - whatever who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 hours ago, powderfreak said: 14F here. Big bust as wind never died off and we had some flurries in the air off and on. Similar to what we had a deer camp. We are really exposed to the northwest and the winds never died last night. Little dusting of snow overnight too. At home, a less favorable spot for wind, the low was 10F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Just had first that I can remember. MHT just went 3SM BKN004 with a temp/dew of 54/54. We called and asked what was going on, and they thought another airport manually entered an ob and accidentally changed MHT. Sure enough, MHR (in CA near SAC) has some central valley fog and BKN004 ceilings, current temp 54. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 28 minutes ago, mreaves said: Similar to what we had a deer camp. We are really exposed to the northwest and the winds never died last night. Little dusting of snow overnight too. At home, a less favorable spot for wind, the low was 10F. I bet we go low tonight...single digits. Despite full sunshine we are struggling to get past the mid-20s this afternoon. 26F at MVL at 2pm...exactly what my car just said as I drove past the ASOS on RT 100. Nice to see the car is in the ballpark temp wise lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said: It melts much faster . Less staying power CAA ice would probably have lower RH, higher winds, and more sublimation. Rad ice will occur with air closer to saturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, dendrite said: CAA ice would probably have lower RH, higher winds, and more sublimation. Rad ice will occur with air closer to saturation. You thought he was serious is the funniest part. Boston at 36 record low max is 38, can they hit for the cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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