MarkO Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, powderfreak said: The more photos and info that comes out, this just gets worse around here. Blow down style damage as people explore. Mostly white pine forests which are lower elevation with tall trees. But old growth stuff in some cases. It was an overperformer (in terms of damage) in my hood as well. I went south into Tewksbury and Billerica and it wasn't as bad as to my north (Dracut/Methuen). I can see why Ray wasn't all that impressed. The real damage appeared to follow the Merrimack River/Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: Fukin terrorists Literally right around the corner from my friend's apartment. All of these events that happen, and the mind always says, NYC (insert city here) is a big city, the chances are slim that the event was near anyone that I know. This **** was one block away from her building, and where her daughter walks to and from school every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 45 minutes ago, MarkO said: I had higher winds during Sandy. I think it was a combination of longer duration from a more constant direction, along with softer ground. But after driving around today, there's NO doubt, the number of trees felled by this storm FAR surpassed anything since mid 90(s). I really can't remember how many trees were down during Bob/Gloria. Huge mature trees, oaks, maples, pines, didn't matter other than they probably had some internal weakness or other stress, uniqueness that caused them to topple. Many of them across power lines. I'm still out of power and all they have done so far is remove the tree. Rt. 133 is STILL closed. It's a main route into Lowell from the southeast. That's unacceptable from what I have heard form people who live nearby. How can that be still closed. Hell the ORH icestorm leveled poled and trees and roads were open in two days. That's absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 PF that's exactly what we had after Feb 2013 back where my folks live. Entire swaths of forest just blown down like that, with the help of wet snow.Mostly pine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 NHEC says by noon on Thu for us. 3.5 days will be a new record for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said: Fisher sucked on that one. Tried to poo poo it by saying we didn't have a good pressure gradient. WTF does a 1024 high and 969 low do?? Cause a seabreeze? Basically when he downplays or hypes something up, go opposite. You'll win more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Found some more trees down tonight. Might actually be longer than I thought on getting power back. Lit the stove. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Feb 13 was definitely the worst tree damage I've ever seen from any storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Power finally back on at home. Came very close to matching my all time outage record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: Did they? Of course they did. I still don't think western Mass needed one. I think the local offices overall did a good job in the near term, but pretty awful in the medium range. Days 4 and 5 there was a lot of downplaying and just blind acceptance of the model blend. 17G30 is a pretty poor forecast, even at that range. And there were definitely signals for strong wind then. This will all be solved when WPC takes days 2-7... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Drove some different roads today. Tree damage is readily evident. Trees either snapped in main trunk or uprooted. Many roads must have been impassable for a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Many NWS downplayed HWW needed , when it was quite clear they would be needed 4-5 days in advance for all interior areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Many NWS downplayed HWW needed , when it was quite clear they would be needed 4-5 days in advance for all interior areas You did not get HWW most likely. Trees down don't signify HWW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: You did not get HWW most likely. Trees down don't signify HWW. Also if it happens in Tolland, it happens everywhere. I don't think God's Country was anywhere near HWW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, CoastalWx said: Fisher sucked on that one. Tried to poo poo it by saying we didn't have a good pressure gradient. WTF does a 1024 high and 969 low do?? Cause a seabreeze? Basically when he downplays or hypes something up, go opposite. You'll win more often than not. Um look back in this thread on Friday Kev posted Fishers map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Also if it happens in Tolland, it happens everywhere. I don't think God's Country was anywhere near HWW. Tolland Weather Stem at 800 ft gusted to 52, so at 1K ya got to figure close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said: Tolland Weather Stem at 800 ft gusted to 52, so at 1K ya got to figure close Yeah I don't doubt Kev got into some of the good stuff, I just don't think BOX needed HWW for all their zones in MA. I'll be curious to see how verification works out. I was hearing rumblings when I left Monday that a good chunk of our zones our WCM wasn't sure would verify. But I know at least PWM, MHT, HIE, AUG, and GYX measured 50+ knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 No power for me yet. Coming up on 48 hours. Thankfully we have a small generator for the refrigerator and some lights. Call Verizon change to unlimited data temporarily and set up my smartphone as a WiFi hotspot and now I have laptop and internet. I can't figure out why the power is out because there's almost no damage to trees and branches around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Yeah I don't doubt Kev got into some of the good stuff, I just don't think BOX needed HWW for all their zones in MA. I'll be curious to see how verification works out. I was hearing rumblings when I left Monday that a good chunk of our zones our WCM wasn't sure would verify. But I know at least PWM, MHT, HIE, AUG, and GYX measured 50+ knots. DO you guys use Windflow stations or just the crappy ASOS stations. I mean 75 knots at 1K when a lot of your state is 1K plus..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Ginx snewx said: So you guys use Windflow stations or just the crappy ASOS stations We'll use mesonets if the numbers look legit. I was more pointing out that we managed like a half dozen ASOSs with 50+ knots, so that's a hell of an event given how hard it is to get big winds on those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: You did not get HWW most likely. Trees down don't signify HWW. Agreed on trees down don't signify HWW criteria being met. With that said...whether or not the actual speeds were reached (I don't know what criteria is?), I think the damage and amount of longer lasting power outages make it an easy impacted based HWW verification. I mean, the NWS issues impact based headlines all the time. Just wait for that first winter event when winter storm warnings are issued for a SWFE of 3-6" of snow with some IP/ZR. Or the advisory issued for a quick 1-3" at rush hour when an SPS could handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: We'll use mesonets if the numbers look legit. I was more pointing out that we managed like a half dozen ASOSs with 50+ knots, so that's a hell of an event given how hard it is to get big winds on those. Yeah BTV and MPV both were over 50kts for gusts. MVL crapped out with the power outage during the worst of it so who knows, does that still store data somewhere that I can see? Morrisville had much less damage than Stowe did even thought it's only a few miles apart, but I'd still be curious what happened from like 2-8am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, powderfreak said: Yeah BTV and MPV both were over 50kts for gusts. MVL crapped out with the power outage during the worst of it so who knows, does that still store data somewhere that I can see? Morrisville had much less damage than Stowe did even thought it's only a few miles apart, but I'd still be curious what happened from like 2-8am. Sometimes they do. It depends on the specific outage. If it was just the line transmitting the obs, then the data can be recovered. If the whole ASOS power was knocked out, then it's dust in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomNH Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 hours ago, snowman21 said: Saw a convoy of Ohio Edison trucks heading northbound on 95 from just over the state line 10 minutes ago. Reinforcements are on the way for those still without power! Saw some trucks from South Carolina on Route 3 in Lowell a few hours ago. They're coming from all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Sometimes they do. It depends on the specific outage. If it was just the line transmitting the obs, then the data can be recovered. If the whole ASOS power was knocked out, then it's dust in the wind. Makes sense. I have no idea what it was but the obs are missing haha. I have to think you guys should verify any ASOS over 50kts...I mean that's rare for most of those stations. If that doesn't verify HWW, what will? Are HWW criteria different from coastal zones vs interior? 55mph at BDL is different than FMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, powderfreak said: Makes sense. I have no idea what it was but the obs are missing haha. I have to think you guys should verify any ASOS over 50kts...I mean that's rare for most of those stations. If that doesn't verify HWW, what will? Are HWW criteria different from coastal zones vs interior? 55mph at BDL is different than FMH. It's a national standard. 50 knots, just like a SVR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: It's a national standard. 50 knots, just like a SVR. Ahhh I thought it was like snow. Tailored to local climo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Ahhh I thought it was like snow. Tailored to local climo. I think the only differences are with elevation out west. It can also be for sustained winds of 35 knots for 1 hour too. But the gust is more common than the sustained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 31 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Agreed on trees down don't signify HWW criteria being met. With that said...whether or not the actual speeds were reached (I don't know what criteria is?), I think the damage and amount of longer lasting power outages make it an easy impacted based HWW verification. I mean, the NWS issues impact based headlines all the time. Just wait for that first winter event when winter storm warnings are issued for a SWFE of 3-6" of snow with some IP/ZR. Or the advisory issued for a quick 1-3" at rush hour when an SPS could handle it. 58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New England Storm Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Hey, the lights are on! Well, that was one heck of a storm. I think I had gusts to near 50 mph. It sounded a lot worse, however. I spent the night listening to noaa weather radio and am dxing (listening for far away radio stations.) You know a storm is bad when its the lead story on a Chicago radio station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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