Ginx snewx Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: You can cover the doggies' eyes and whack it to power outage porn all you want. You are hallucinating alot of extreme gusts into existence with anecdotal crap...something you make a living on. Pretty conceivable that the localized extreme gusts were mesoscale. Ginxy gone completely wild and unhinged. Forgettable, facts, ya got to love them. IYBY much, everyone knows your shtick , you were intellectually lazy in that post. It happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah this was very impressive on two fronts: 1. Getting widespread 40-50 knots on a southerly wind...not easy to do in New England. 2. Having it happen when there is still a good amount of foliage on the trees and also happening to be with very saturated ground. Events like January 2006 and December 2000 happened without the foliage and without the soft ground. I do not think the winds we saw in town were historical..though the damage is incredible. We have done 60mph before but out of the NW in winter with a frozen ground. All of our big wind is NW and in cold season. The trees seem to be able to handle that. But not out of the southeast with wet/warm ground. I feel like we see 50+ out of the NW in one winter FROPA per season. It does not do this damage. One that comes to mind is November 2003...a huge wind and upslope event. 12-18" of snow in the area plus 50mph winds on the backside of a bombing Low. Those winter winds do not do this even though the observed speed is similar: Quote Press Release - Update October 30, 2017 3:30pm The Town of Stowe Emergency Operations Center is still open and Town of Stowe Public Safety personnel continue to assess the damage caused by the storm last night. The goal is to have all roads in Stowe open before dark tonight and any hazards on the roads that still exists be adequately marked to alert drivers. Many private driveways and private roads may still be impassable. There will be many areas in Town that will still have power lines down and trees down and citizens are urged to use caution when approaching or encountering these areas. Currently Stowe Electric is reporting that 60 percent of the Town is without power. Stowe Electric has brought in crews from other Vermont Towns and from out of state. The best-case scenario is power will be restored in two days, but it may take longer. Staff from the Town of Stowe Water Department are asking people to conserve water due to the power outage effecting their ability to supply water long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: I do not think the winds we saw in town were historical..though the damage is incredible. We have done 60mph before but out of the NW in winter with a frozen ground. All of our big wind is NW and in cold season. The trees seem to be able to handle that. But not out of the southeast with wet/warm ground. I feel like we see 50+ out of the NW in one winter FROPA per season. It does not do this damage. One that comes to mind is November 2003...a huge wind and upslope event. 12-18" of snow in the area plus 50mph winds on the backside of a bombing Low. Those winter winds do not do this even though the observed speed is similar: Lots of pics of snapped trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Why again did Ray hate this storm? I thought it was pretty good in NE Mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 In general.... using area coverage as a basis for assessing extreme weather is pretty flawed. I mean, most extreme weather events don’t impact hundreds of square miles equally. Tornados are probably the most destructive weather force on earth, and they only affect a couple miles worth of terrain severely. This has wide ranging effects all over the 6 state region. People are overlooking the flooding up north. It wasn’t just winds. Between winds, rain, etc.... this was pretty damn memorable. it is going to take weeks to clean up around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Lots of pics of snapped trees. Yeah the White Pines didn't fare too well. I'm just going by observed speeds on the ground...we've seen those before but from the NW. I wasn't there last night, so I just have ground obs to go by. I also think even if I was there, no way to estimate those winds in the nighttime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 47 minutes ago, kbc360 said: What a nasty night if you had to be out in it. The FD next to me fortunately had no one injured Good call by you in being very concerned. And thank you for your service to the community. Can you call someone about the tree across snake meadow hill rd, lol Plainfield won't touch it because of wires. Can't tell you how many trees I cut up while a volunteer in Westerly with power lines entangled on the butt end ro make a road passable. I watched Griswold DPW do it today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, powderfreak said: I do not think the winds we saw in town were historical..though the damage is incredible. We have done 60mph before but out of the NW in winter with a frozen ground. All of our big wind is NW and in cold season. The trees seem to be able to handle that. But not out of the southeast with wet/warm ground. I feel like we see 50+ out of the NW in one winter FROPA per season. It does not do this damage. One that comes to mind is November 2003...a huge wind and upslope event. 12-18" of snow in the area plus 50mph winds on the backside of a bombing Low. Those winter winds do not do this even though the observed speed is similar: Yeah...there's a huge difference between this happening in winter vs now. I think the December 2000 storm had a lot of gusts over 55 knots. There was def damage but not the same type of damage as seen last night from stuff 10 knots weaker. (I think there was some stuff even much stronger up in Maine in that storm that flattened a lot of trees) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkO Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, CT Rain said: Why again did Ray hate this storm? I thought it was pretty good in NE Mass? Yeah, good question. I think it lived exactly up to his expectations. Maybe he's upset he didn't hear that eerie moaning like in someone in Harwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Arctic hounds winds roaring is perhaps one of my favorite sounds. There is just something special to the tone. Last nights roars were pitches higher and unlike winter where you can hear them from miles away they were sudden and extremely violent. Been around the block 60 times and despite Rays assertions know and understand wind behavior and speeds. Absolutely time of year factors in to damage but when I see multiple trees large branches snapped on leafless trees that is a damage indicator of violent wind. From ECT to RI to Taunton Duxbury and EMass there was certainly a mesoscale gravity wave impulse that transferred down 850 winds to near the surface . I wont forget it in a week and doubtful many wont either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I don’t have the memory that most of you guys have but I think my personal top storm list is something like this: Irene - this was by far the biggest impact any storm has had on VT in my lifetime. Still impacts people’s lives 6 years on. VD 2007 - biggest snow that I remember from one storm and the first time the State shut down. Not huge for damage but my personal favorite. Ice storm of 1998 - Not real big imby, except in a certain elevation band but it crushed the CPV up through Montreal. I don’t know the stats but probably second to Irene in terms of damage. October 4, 1987 - close to a foot of heavy, wet snow with some leaves still on the trees. Very cool and some were without power for quite a while afterward. This is one may be #5 but it’s had a very minimal impact on me personally. 70,000 power outages at the peak is nothing to sneeze at though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah...there's a huge difference between this happening in winter vs now. I think the December 2000 storm had a lot of gusts over 55 knots. There was def damage but not the same type of damage as seen last night from stuff 10 knots weaker. (I think there was some stuff even much stronger up in Maine in that storm that flattened a lot of trees) Yup. I'll admit it still exceeded my expectations up here. We don't do synoptic wind at all in these set ups. It usually goes right up and over us on the low east side of the Spine. I have no idea how Stowe Village got crushed so bad, unless there was some weird meso-scale pocket that mixed down. Power crews from Burlington Electric, Mass, and New Hampshire are in town. Conceptually, SE winds should be rising up in elevation as they move into the Spine here, not crashing down violently into the slope...if you think of the flow like a fluid river. I know I've got some weenie drives to do around town once all of the side roads are opened back up. Tales from around town like this... "You should check out Barnes Hill (Rd). It is sheer devastation. 100’s of trees down. Loads uprooted and split mid-trunk. Figure it must have been micro-bursts. It is crazy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Alex from Bretton Woods will probably remember this event judging by his post in the NNE thread. Feel lucky that pretty much nothing notable happened here..only had 1-3" of rain over the past few days compared to the 5-10" in many other spots probably helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Not nearly as crazy as the Irene rains but this is the Green River running across my main route to dropping the boy at school and getting to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo1 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Thank god I am the only IMBY poster. Thanks power back on! Just reporting the news. Back to lurking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: Forgettable, facts, ya got to love them. IYBY much, everyone knows your shtick , you were intellectually lazy in that post. It happens Intellectually incompetent since you've failed to address my point regarding the normally windy spots that failed to perform. Classic Steve to focus on the highest gusts, and ignore Blue hill and the majority of the cape. Cherry picked data and responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 58 minutes ago, geo1 said: Thanks power back on! Just reporting the news. Back to lurking. Glad you're back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, MarkO said: Yeah, good question. I think it lived exactly up to his expectations. Maybe he's upset he didn't hear that eerie moaning like in someone in Harwich. I didn't hate it. I've said that.....all I said was I don't think it was memorable for historically strong winds over a large area. As scott said...coverage, yes. The storm perforned up to ny expectation. But widespread 70-80mph? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 3 hours ago, powderfreak said: I drove from Toronto to Stowe today...got home and found town crushed with no power possible until Wednesday. So we decided to head to my parents place in Albany, NY. Just got here after 13 hours driving but oddly Stowe and Waterbury had the worst damage of all the places I saw today. When we left WCAX from Burlington was doing the live 5pm broadcast from Stowe. Here's our local issue at my house...the snapped transformer pole. I still don't think the winds were *all* that high...50-60 gusts...but wet ground and lack of wind in our sheltered valley had a lot of vulnerable trees to that type of wind. People said it was insane last night...just cracking trees for about two hours straight. Its all the damn white pines that uprooted and snapped. Like 75% of these things came down in some form. This is our neighbors with trees on our power line feed from the main road. Wet ground...exactly. Some areas saw damage commensurate with stronger winds than were experienced due to the previous soaking and foliage. Do this over again in January after a dry week or two....much less impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 The majority of folks gusted between 50-60mph, which I was satisfied with and enjoyed....but I don't think that is insanely anomalous. The coverage? Sure. I think the fact that places like Taunton got crushed and Blue Hill did not is evidence that most if those insane winds were pretty localized and possibly mesoscale. I don't think that is unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I was wishing I was up at Pit2 during this.......as they will be without power for the foreseeable future, I am grateful to be here in Shelburne. Good thoughts to all the Maine contingent!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 7 hours ago, MarkO said: There are lots of trees down. Probably more than any other storm in my 13 years in this house. The ice storm and 2011 October storm took down more branches, but this knocked entire trees down rootball and all, and/or snapped them at the trunk. Rt. 133 is STILL closed, and it's still dark out there. I assume they'll have it open by morning, but power I'm guessing won't come back till tomorrow afternoon at the earliest. Oh, and combine the road closings with the 495 closing during rush hour, the traffic was a nightmare this evening. Took me an hour to pick up a propane heater at HD only about 3 miles away. I wonder if you guys had truly higher winds like 65+ or was it just 50-65 stuff in combo with wet ground. It's unusual for you guys to have high winds, so throw that on tall trees and wet ground..you have a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Still no power so I'm evacuating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 343,000 CMP customers remain without power this morning. Lines at gas stations and restaurants. Memorable here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 5 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Wet ground...exactly. Some areas saw damage commensurate with stronger winds than were experienced due to the previous soaking and foliage. Do this over again in January after a dry week or two....much less impact. I'm just reading these posts as an outside observer but only one of those pictures that PF posted showed trees blown over from the ground. The other two showed trees that were snapped. They were also pines which have their foliage on year round. Around here I saw the same thing - snapped trees but they were also bare. 5 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Intellectually incompetent since you've failed to address my point regarding the normally windy spots that failed to perform. Classic Steve to focus on the highest gusts, and ignore Blue hill and the majority of the cape. Cherry picked data and responses. Isn't it also cherry picking data if you ignore the places that did have higher gusts and focus on the places that traditionally do better? I think that the people in darkness will remember this event much longer than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 THis storm shall heretofore be known as The Forgetable Storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Another day of school closed. With a mild winter coming..maybe the only 2 "snow" days of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 53 minutes ago, eekuasepinniW said: Still no power so I'm evacuating. Have fun. Bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 How hard is it for BOX to get a PNS right? Peak winds were 47kts at ORH and 55kts at PYM. It's not rocket science to look back and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Looks like breakfast and a shower will be elsewhere this morningSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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