WinterWolf Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, dryslot said: Agree, Its probably not going to take much at all, Trees usually see strong winds out of the NNW all the time but seldom of this possible magnitude out of the south. Absolutely. And it's been NON STOP rain here since 6:30 am...no lull at all. Soggy soggy ground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It's been 2 hours of dry slot over Springfield. Good practice for winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Here is the 12z WRF-ARW. Rips Philippe up 'Gannsett Bay. Would be a brutal solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: It's been 2 hours of dry slot over Springfield. Good practice for winter. Similar here. Around 0.20” so far today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 31 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Here is the 12z WRF-ARW. Rips Philippe up 'Gannsett Bay. Would be a brutal solution. ARW! My favorite winter model...always bringing those coastal lows west for us in the winter. ARW hitting the downslope winds real hard NW of the high terrain ridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 This is actually pretty cool to see it progress more and more towards deep warm core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Seems like east of 495 is safe bet for massive winds. I might have to take a little weenie drive down rt 3 later tonight. At least Castle Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 18z NAM bring that tropical low right into SE MA. May cut down the period of stronger winds a bit to its west, but this is flying. In fact, 3 hr model progs misleading because strongest winds only last 1-2 hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It's been 2 hours of dry slot over Springfield. Good practice for winter. Same here. Dry as a bone ATM. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Judging by where the strongest pressure falls seem to be occurring I’m wondering if it will track either inland through N NJ or perhaps into SE NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: 18z NAM bring that tropical low right into SE MA. May cut down the period of stronger winds a bit to its west, but this is flying. In fact, 3 hr model progs misleading because strongest winds only last 1-2 hrs. That's been trending westward all day. Would not be surprised if it comes up into our area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Rjay said: LOL at whatever that 103 is doing on the Pit2 roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Box has upped my p/c to 60mph. My left nut that's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Holy ****...and this is 925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Holy ****...and this is 925 What's that showing us..kind of hard to make out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: What's that showing us..kind of hard to make out? It's a baby alien in purple pointing the red rocket at WCT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WintersComing Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: It's a baby alien in purple pointing the red rocket at WCT. Is that bad? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveSN+ Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: What's that showing us..kind of hard to make out? 925 mb winds from the 18z NAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 BTV went high wind warning with gusts to 70mph. SE Downslope zones still with the highest interior wind forecasts. Some of the most favored areas over 70mph gusts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, LoveSN+ said: 925 mb winds from the 18z NAM. Oh ok...thanks. or as Runnaway said a baby alien lmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It's good to see the training rains shift west a tad. A sign the trough is taking on the neggy tilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma blizzard Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: That's been trending westward all day. Would not be surprised if it comes up into our area. should make for a really fun nowcast since models aren't in the best agreement in regard to how to handle it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 better shot of wizs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegfriar Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 You know it's going to be a bad storm when there are fumbles already happening in D.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 NAM 950mb winds. Jesus near BOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, USCAPEWEATHERAF said: I think I'm losing power tonight The bb is pulling for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbutts Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 30 minutes ago, moneypitmike said: LOL at whatever that 103 is doing on the Pit2 roof. Would be quite an event for Sagadahoc county if it gets anywhere close to that. I'm still holding a few undeveloped acres there, hopefully there isn't too much tree damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Remember that’s km/hour, not mph of knots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Remember that’s km/hour, not mph of knotsWhich map?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 000 FXUS61 KBOX 292021 AFDBOX Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Taunton MA 421 PM EDT Sun Oct 29 2017 .SYNOPSIS... Intensifying early season coastal storm off the Mid-Atlantic coast brings strong to damaging winds, a few strong to severe thunderstorms and the potential for flash flooding late today and tonight. Drier and cooler weather moves in behind the weather system through midweek. A cold front may bring a few showers late week. && .NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM MONDAY MORNING/... 2 pm update... The situation is evolving fast. Roughly 2 mb/hr pressure falls emerging off the NC coast where presently a 995 mb is deepening S/E. Starting to see stronger wind gusts emerge per isallobaric and gradient wind response. Previous discussion below applies and has been slightly edited. Upon the latest suite of 12z guidance and also evaluating near- term hourly guidance, with a blend of the 3 km NAM with the HRRR forecasting secondary tropical circulations to rotate round and into the mid-level disturbance, sweeping into S New England, across the E waters and up into Maine. Couple of things we need to monitor: 1.) Whether we`ve underdone the winds and/or whether we need to extend the 70 mph wind field. Presently 50 to 60 mph gusts forecast across the interior with 60 to 70 mph gusts along the shore. Higher gusts possible along the immediate coast. Could see places, like the Buzzards Bay tower for example, gust up to 80 mph. This may require further extension of STORM WARNINGS to HURRICANE FORCE WIND WARNINGS. One thing of note, for HFWW you need at least 2 hours of hurricane force winds. Such gusts may occur only briefly as the storm quickly wraps N across the region later this evening. Will evaluate. 2.) Heavy rain threat. Forecasting a 2-4 inch event over much of the region keying on higher amounts along the E slopes of high terrain where the main atmospheric river of sub-tropical moisture is going to slam into S New England later today. Coordinating with the NE River Forecast Center, can`t rule out locally higher amounts. And to add to that the severe weather threat ... 3.) Severe weather threat. Talking to SPC, an upgrade to marginal over SE New England. A concern that on the back end of the dry slot that mid-level lapse rates steepen in a region of strong 0-1 and 0-3 km helicity. Reflectivity modeling out of the HRRR, some concern on two issues: series of fine line signatures / banding and subsequent enhanced damaging wind threat, and also whether such signatures, likely with some rotation, can pose a tornadic / waterspout threat. Instability may seem weak, on the order of 250 J/kg at most it would seem, but it`s the dry slot and enhanced mid-level lapse rates that could really kick off the severe weather potential. This storm is powerful and should not be underestimated. Previous discussion... */ Highlights... - Strong to damaging winds across SNE this evening into tonight - Potential for hurricane-force wind gusts - Heavy rainfall with localized flash flood threat into tonight - A few strong to possibly severe storms into tonight */ Discussion... A dynamic, multi-faced storm system developing off the mid-Atlantic coast, taking aim on the Northeast. Again, a lot of moving parts and a lot of uncertainty in the near-term that are likely going to lead to rapid-fire forecast changes. From the mid-level disturbance out of the interior, to secondary tropical circulations developing off the FL coastline (referred to as Phillipe), between interactions and rapid cyclogenesis, there is the potential for change as we go into tonight through Monday. The baroclinic zone is set per clash of airmass over the interior. The mid to upper level disturbance slowed by downstream blocking will undergo a negative tilt and obtain greater cyclonic curvature as its parent main vortlobe digs through the base of the trof. An evolving H3 dual-jet structure aloft beneath which conveyor belt motions enhance, the isentropic draw of warm-moist air into the core of the low promotes rapid cyclogenesis across the baroclinic zone straight N into Upstate NY, retrograding beneath the closing off, stacking mid to upper level low in the process, from maturation towards occlusion. While earlier questioned, expecting the mid-level disturbance and the synoptic process to interact with the aforementioned secondary tropical circulations off the FL coast presently lifting N off the Carolinas. Do expect that we`ll see an evolution towards a warm- core, hybrid low with such secondary circulations becoming backed beneath the mid-level disturbance towards lower heights. Taking on the crux of the higher sub-tropical thetaE and instability along with the main low to mid level convergent forcing along the nose of an attendant 90-100 mph jet at H925, potentially as low as H95, coupling with the strong QG-forcing back over the interior of the NE CONUS (think jet coupling with the surface cold front), we will still see the rapid deepening across the Hudson River Valley with the mid-level disturbance, but now capturing tropical energy and the warm-core hybrid low becoming a powerful disturbance with a central pressure down around 970 mb forecast over the Hudson River Valley. Again, the 1.5 PVU surfaces are just simply impressive, the tropopause fold just showing how dynamic the system. Can not under- estimate the power of this storm. Simply put, expect the unexpected. */ Threat and Impact Specifics... DAMAGING WINDS... Advertising 40-50 mph SE gusts across the interior, higher more so over the high terrain, 50-60 mph for the coastal plain, and along the coast, 60-70 mph. Conditionally unstable lapse rates, potentially steeper as noted by the prior forecaster as the dry slot wraps into the system, expected that would allow for mixing. Stronger wind gusts with any heavy rain given mechanical mixing / precip-drag, especially with any strong to potentially severe thunderstorms (more on that below). Can not rule out hurricane- force wind gusts along the coast simply associated with the bombing low at roughly around 4 mb / hr, as subsequent isallobaric response. Would require an update to HIGH WIND WARNING headlines, but would like to see the 12z 3km NAM before making that decision. Will keep with HIGH WIND WARNINGS. Anticipating widespread tree damage lending to scattered to widespread power outages, likely some structural damage occurring. Keeping in mind fully leafed trees. A note on Monday, strong to damaging W winds expected behind the low given +3-4 mb/hr pressure rises. The isallobaric response, W gusts up to 60 mph are possible in an environment of steepening lapse rates of 8-9 C/km, especially over the warmer waters along the immediate coast. Boundary layer mixing dominating allowing the easy mix-down of faster momentum for especially the early-half of Monday. INTERIOR FLOODING... Forecasting a 2-4 inch event with locally higher amounts. The FLASH FLOOD WATCH continues with the expected threats of urban / poor drainage flooding and the potential swell of small streams and tributaries. Threat is across all of S New England. While there is greater concern along the E-slopes of high terrain, and within urban centers, flash flooding is possible everywhere. Much of the focus on the strong punch, cyclonic, trowaling branch of the warm-moist conveyor belt of sub-tropical air tonight with precipitable waters up to 2 inches. High thetaE water content that is completely abnormal for late October. Ushered in by a SE jet at H925, as said earlier, of 90-100 mph, convergently focused into S New England. High freezing level heights (+12 kft agl) beneath strong deep-layer forcing, a saturated column throughout, resulting in efficient, warm-rain processes. Looking at a slug of heavy rain where 1-2"/hr rainfall rates are not out of the question, especially with any strong to potentially severe thunderstorms. Greater concern if the aforementioned hybrid warm-core low sweeps across the interior. If so, would see greater and stronger onshore flow of sub-tropical moisture along with a more enhanced threat of strong to potentially severe thunderstorms in addition to the heavy rain coincident with convergent forcing along the nose of the aforementioned 90-100 mph low-level jet. Ensemble / CIPS Analogs still hold the heaviest rain threat over W New England and into the Hudson River Valley, but feel the signal as advertised by the HRRR can not be ignored. This could result in more widespread 3-5 inch rainfalls with locally heavier amounts. Could see the heaviest rain over S/SE coastal New England. Recalling, some areas received 4 to 5 inches of rain earlier in the week. Some small creeks and streams remain a bit high than as of earlier in the month. Also to consider leaf clogged drains. STRONG TO SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS: Still a risk for strong to possible severe storms this afternoon and during the overnight hours, especially more so if the hybrid warm- core low sweeps into the interior or hugs closer to the coast. Dynamic system resulting in broad lift for the region. High amount of 0-6 km shear with LI values below 0 and some SB cape moving through. Southern New England will be in the warm sector at this time and could see some iso strong to severe storms. Even the NCAR ensembles is hinting at this potential, as well as CIPS Analogs. While confidence is on the lower side, something to watch today. COASTAL FLOODING... In brevity, anticipating splashover, especially along Atlantic-facing beaches, with impacts to vulnerable shoreline roads. With low astro- nomical tides, and noting wave heights of 10 to 15 feet for a short duration along the Atlantic facing beaches, while a surge of 1 to 3 feet can`t be ruled out, there isn`t a lot of time for swell to develop. To address the potential threat, we have issued a COASTAL FLOOD STATEMENT. && .SHORT TERM /6 AM MONDAY MORNING THROUGH 6 PM MONDAY/... */ Highlights... - Another round of strong to damaging wind gusts during the day */ Discussion... Negatively tilted trough across the region will begin to phase the two upper level lows during this time. Thus pushing another strong vort max through the region. Strong CAA behind the departing low in combination with dry slot moving through will result in strong, gusty westerly winds for SNE. 925mb LLJ nearing 40 kts will be overhead as the system departs. Notice very strong pressure rises and steep lapse rates that will tap into the jet and mix it fully down. Wind headlines will be needed but will wait until we get through the first storm. Even under CAA, temps still remain near seasonable thanks to some downslope component and slight lag in the cooler air aloft. Highs mainly in the upper 50s and low 60s. Lastly, heavy precip will come to an end by Monday morning. However, we could see lingering showers as the vort max rotates through the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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