Hoosier Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, Stebo said: I have no words for this really... Awesome. Seems like the lake effect snow waterspouts don't get caught on camera very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHweather Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 16 minutes ago, Stebo said: I have no words for this really... I honestly wonder if this happens more often than is captured on camera...good convergence/surface vorticity with well-organized LES bands and steep lapse rates/good stretching potential over the warm waters...and strong LES bands have been documented to have miso-vorts evident on radar. It's always incredible to see, you just don't think waterspout/tornado when it's 15 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just now, OHweather said: I honestly wonder if this happens more often than is captured on camera...good convergence/surface vorticity with well-organized LES bands and steep lapse rates/good stretching potential over the warm waters...and strong LES bands have been documented to have miso-vorts evident on radar. It's always incredible to see, you just don't think waterspout/tornado when it's 15 degrees. Yeah, I would have to imagine it does, though for it to be captured on film. Extremely rare to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, OHweather said: I honestly wonder if this happens more often than is captured on camera...good convergence/surface vorticity with well-organized LES bands and steep lapse rates/good stretching potential over the warm waters...and strong LES bands have been documented to have miso-vorts evident on radar. It's always incredible to see, you just don't think waterspout/tornado when it's 15 degrees. I think there's little question about it. This one was in a good spot to get noticed as it was near the shore. Think of what happens farther out away from shore... and you're not going to have people viewing on the beach or boating like you would in warmer months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickysixes Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 20"+ IMBY yesterday thru this morn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 GRLevel3 says helLOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Nickysixes said: 20"+ IMBY yesterday thru this morn Nice score for TC area! Where exactly is your place? My place was a bit north of Arbutus and Spider lakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Stebo said: I have no words for this really... Yeah that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. An Ice Tornado. They should totally incorporate this into game of thrones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Band is onshore now in northwest Indiana. Probably some fun times in Michigan City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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michsnowfreak Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The lake effect targeting Erie, PA this month has been incredible...but I said it before and I will say it again. There is something clearly wrong with the data. I dont know if its slant sticking, making up a too-high liquid pcp number since asos is too low (rather than using a snow can), or being way low on snow depth. The data being provided - liquid equivalent + snowfall + snow depth - are meteorologically impossible combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Hoosier said: Band is onshore now in northwest Indiana. Probably some fun times in Michigan City. WNDU tv skyview 16 live shot of Michigan City is a complete whiteout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And the rich get richer. Erie getting another foot. Quote URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Cleveland OH 340 PM EST Sun Dec 31 2017 ...Lake Effect and Arctic Chill Continue... .Arctic air continues to flow into northern Ohio and northwest Pennsylvania. The combination of the cold air and well aligned wind flow will cause lake effect snow bands to develop off Lake Erie later tonight behind another arctic cold front. The band of lake effect snow is once again expected to develop across the lake shore counties of Lake, Ashtabula, and Erie Counties late tonight and continue into Monday. Brisk winds and falling temperatures tonight will cause dangerously cold wind chills across much of the area. PAZ002-010445- /O.NEW.KCLE.WS.A.0006.180101T0900Z-180102T1200Z/ Southern Erie- Including the city of Edinboro 340 PM EST Sun Dec 31 2017 ...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING... * WHAT...Heavy lake effect snow possible. Plan on difficult travel conditions causing snow covered roads and low visibilities. Total snow accumulations of 8 to 11 inches are possible. * WHERE...Southern Erie county. * WHEN...From late tonight through Tuesday morning. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Significant reductions in visibility are possible. Cold wind chills as low as 8 below zero will cause frostbite in a short period of time to exposed skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 000 NWUS53 KIWX 312124 LSRIWX PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORTHERN INDIANA 424 PM EST SUN DEC 31 2017 ..TIME... ...EVENT... ...CITY LOCATION... ...LAT.LON... ..DATE... ....MAG.... ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE.... ..REMARKS.. 0400 PM SNOW 2 NNW HUDSON LAKE 41.73N 86.55W 12/31/2017 M9.0 INCH LA PORTE IN PUBLIC UPDATED REPORT...ANOTHER 2" IN THE LAST HOUR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickysixes Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 23 hours ago, RogueWaves said: Nice score for TC area! Where exactly is your place? My place was a bit north of Arbutus and Spider lakes Near Bowers Harbor, middle of OMPeninsula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Somebody in western MI and perhaps down into parts of IN may get hammered later this week. Looks like a fairly prolonged setup with good parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Since December 23rd Erie has reported 86.7" of snow on 4.70" liquid equivalent. Their current snow depth is 14". For comparison, since December 23rd I have had 9.5" of snow on 0.67" liquid and my current depth is 6". Why is this circus of snow measurements continuing at Erie? I saw on the NWS Page that pending review it is a new record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: Since December 23rd Erie has reported 86.7" of snow on 4.70" liquid equivalent. Their current snow depth is 14". For comparison, since December 23rd I have had 9.5" of snow on 0.67" liquid and my current depth is 6". Why is this circus of snow measurements continuing at Erie? I saw on the NWS Page that pending review it is a new record. This is highly suspicious. I was just in areas this week that had WAY less LES than Erie and their depth was beyond 14 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 That dark purple is 30-40 inches. Perhaps you can figure where those measurements were taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 35 minutes ago, Jonger said: That dark purple is 30-40 inches. Perhaps you can figure where those measurements were taken. Just as a side note, I'm not at all poo-pooing a monster lake effect event. I am just pointing out that KERI measurements 100% do not add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 55 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: Since December 23rd Erie has reported 86.7" of snow on 4.70" liquid equivalent. Their current snow depth is 14". For comparison, since December 23rd I have had 9.5" of snow on 0.67" liquid and my current depth is 6". Why is this circus of snow measurements continuing at Erie? I saw on the NWS Page that pending review it is a new record. Their depth has to be wrong, everything else makes sense though at a 20:1 ratio which wouldn't be shocking with LES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAIDEsNow Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 You guys will forget more about the weather than I will ever know, but the airport measurements are wrong imo. This is all strictly anecdotal, but a few points: Several co-workers live within a mile of the airport and both say they have not received anywhere near the snow that has been reported. The Park I work at is about 2.5 miles from the airport. All of our split rail fence around the Park, hundreds and hundreds of feet of it in our wooded picnic grove areas protected from the wind in part - all have snow-depth up to the bottom rail, about 15" off the ground. I have driven all over the county several times since the morning of Tues. 12/26/17- the area above on the map with the purple is along Route 430 going out toward Colt Station - is the snowiest area I have seen. Spotters in millcreek township, Harborcreek township, and others to the east of the airport have reported less snow than ERI, but their snow depths are greater than the airport. Also verified by other co-workers who live in those areas. The Airport is just southwest of the entrance to our Peninsula - which is "a lighter blue section" on the map above. I lived along the "lakeshore" in Erie county from 1980 til 2004, the airport always seemed to overdue their snowfall amounts from the amounts I recorded. I have worked at our Park for 34 years, 26 full time which includes the winter months. I have seen snow depths quite a bit greater before with much less snowfall, especially this purported 87" in the last 8 days. I live down in our snowbelt, recording about 3 feet in the same time frame. Just measured my depth, about 13" or so (to be fair, includes the 3+ inches from today Anyway, I really do think that these record snowfall numbers recorded at and reported from the Airport are nowhere near accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Hi, all!!! Wow, what a SNOWY week last week was for my area in West Michigan! We picked up about 3 feet during the course of the week. We got a nice snow-thump on Thursday night into Friday morning with a foot of snow in about 6 hours, thanks to a nice Southwest flow Lake Enhanced event (my favorite!!) I will be taking pictures this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Definitely been cold and snowy, for some odd reason I am already tired of it and wishing for spring. I think it has been the cold more so than the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 8:19 AM, Nickysixes said: 20"+ IMBY yesterday thru this morn Better than back on LI, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, josh_4184 said: Definitely been cold and snowy, for some odd reason I am already tired of it and wishing for spring. I think it has been the cold more so than the snow. I feel the same way. I do not like the extreme cold. I wake up for work Mon-Fri and the week is just so hard to get through with this cold. I don't want to leave the house. The high Friday will not break 0...Hopefully the entire winter isn't like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishforsnow Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Snap this yesterday. 23 miles south of Houghton,MI. Toivola to be exact. 2018-01-02_11-27-56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 22 hours ago, MAIDEsNow said: You guys will forget more about the weather than I will ever know, but the airport measurements are wrong imo. This is all strictly anecdotal, but a few points: Several co-workers live within a mile of the airport and both say they have not received anywhere near the snow that has been reported. The Park I work at is about 2.5 miles from the airport. All of our split rail fence around the Park, hundreds and hundreds of feet of it in our wooded picnic grove areas protected from the wind in part - all have snow-depth up to the bottom rail, about 15" off the ground. I have driven all over the county several times since the morning of Tues. 12/26/17- the area above on the map with the purple is along Route 430 going out toward Colt Station - is the snowiest area I have seen. Spotters in millcreek township, Harborcreek township, and others to the east of the airport have reported less snow than ERI, but their snow depths are greater than the airport. Also verified by other co-workers who live in those areas. The Airport is just southwest of the entrance to our Peninsula - which is "a lighter blue section" on the map above. I lived along the "lakeshore" in Erie county from 1980 til 2004, the airport always seemed to overdue their snowfall amounts from the amounts I recorded. I have worked at our Park for 34 years, 26 full time which includes the winter months. I have seen snow depths quite a bit greater before with much less snowfall, especially this purported 87" in the last 8 days. I live down in our snowbelt, recording about 3 feet in the same time frame. Just measured my depth, about 13" or so (to be fair, includes the 3+ inches from today Anyway, I really do think that these record snowfall numbers recorded at and reported from the Airport are nowhere near accurate. Great post, lots of info. Maybe they are measuring every hour, who knows. They now report depth of 12" lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 20 hours ago, blackrock said: Hi, all!!! Wow, what a SNOWY week last week was for my area in West Michigan! We picked up about 3 feet during the course of the week. We got a nice snow-thump on Thursday night into Friday morning with a foot of snow in about 6 hours, thanks to a nice Southwest flow Lake Enhanced event (my favorite!!) I will be taking pictures this week. Nice to see you get some of the goods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wttnwx Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 12 hours ago, wishforsnow said: Snap this yesterday. 23 miles south of Houghton,MI. Toivola to be exact. 2018-01-02_11-27-56 I snowmobiled last week in the UP. We stayed in Ontonagon. When we arrived it was a whiteout. 12 miles before there was barely any flakes in Rockland. IMO, though I didnt measure with a stick, Ontonagon had more snow than anywhere we went. We rode up through Toivola up to east of Hancock. We didnt go north of there though. Rode 1 day over to White Pine, it was sunny in White Pine. Went 5 miles or so north to Silver City and was snowing good. Right on the Lake shore. Usually Silver City and Ontonagon being right on the shore are pretty thin in snow, but not this time. Was pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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