Hoosier Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 This kind of crept up. Haven't really looked much at the setup (and when I did it seemed like instability was really lacking, especially in the northern/eastern part of the risk area) but SPC went with 5% tornado and 30% wind on the 06z outlook. Day 1 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1200 AM CDT Sat Oct 14 2017 Valid 141200Z - 151200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING ACROSS NORTHERN MISSOURI AND SOUTHEASTERN IOWA THROUGH NORTHERN ILLINOIS AND ADJACENT PORTIONS OF SOUTHEASTERN WISCONSIN... ...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS SURROUNDING AREAS OF THE LOWER MISSOURI VALLEY...UPPER MIDWEST AND GREAT LAKES REGION... ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS SURROUNDING THE SLIGHT RISK...INTO SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL PLAINS... ...SUMMARY... Severe thunderstorms are expected across parts of the lower Missouri Valley into southern portions of the Upper Midwest late this afternoon and evening, particularly in a corridor across northern Missouri and southeastern Iowa through northern Illinois, where damaging wind gusts and a couple of tornadoes are possible. ...Synopsis... Models indicate that mid/upper flow will continue to trend more zonal across North America through this period. One significant short wave impulse has already accelerated out of larger-scale western Canadian/northwestern U.S. troughing, through northeastern Canada. The most significant remnant upstream impulse (currently digging through the northern Great Basin) is forecast to accelerate east northeast of the Rockies, through much of the upper Mississippi Valley by 12Z Sunday. The progression of this feature appears likely to contribute to the suppression of the persistent Southeastern subtropical ridge, while supporting significant cyclogenesis along a stalled frontal zone across the central Plains into the Great Lakes region. ...Plains into Upper Midwest/Great Lakes... Guidance continues to suggest the primary surface cyclone development/deepening (to sub-1000 mb) will occur late today through tonight, roughly in a corridor from southern Iowa into lower Michigan. It appears that this will be accompanied by strengthening of lower/mid tropospheric wind fields to 50-60+ kt within the warm sector near the low, contributing to strong low-level and deep layer shear in the presence of seasonably high moisture content. Moisture characterized by mid 60s+ surface dew points and precipitable water increasing in excess of 1.75 inches is forecast within at least a narrow corridor near the frontal wave. While mid-level lapse rates may not be particularly steep, it appears probable that this will support a corridor of mixed layer CAPE on the order of 1000 J/kg across northern Missouri into northern Illinois by late this afternoon. In response to the boundary layer destabilization, increasing large-scale forcing for ascent, near and along the track of the developing surface cyclone, is expected to contribute to the initiation of storms. Given the vertical shear, this may include a few discrete supercell storms, and probably the eventual evolution of a squall line or organized convective system, accompanied by the risk for a couple of tornadoes and a broader risk for potentially damaging wind gusts, particularly this evening as wind fields continue to strengthen with surface cyclone deepening. With further deepening of the cyclone overnight, forcing for ascent and momentum/shear may maintain a risk for damaging wind gusts and tornadoes across lower Michigan and adjacent areas of the southern Great Lakes region. The extent of this threat, however, remains a bit more unclear due to the likelihood of more stable boundary layer conditions within the warm sector. Otherwise, additional thunderstorm development is possible ahead of the trailing cold front across parts of the central into southern Plains late this afternoon into tonight. Initially weak to moderately unstable conditions may contribute to some risk for storms capable of producing severe wind and hail, but it appears that a tendency for storms to become quickly undercut by the southward surging cold front by this evening will be at least one factor limiting the overall severe weather potential. ..Kerr/Dean.. 10/14/2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim from Springfield (IL) Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 ILX is having a Conference Call at 10 for those counties in their CWA that are in the slight or enhanced risk areas, including here in the SPI area: https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=ilx&product=HWO&issuedby=ilx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Severe threat looks meh for the eastern half of that ENH risk. Bigger story will likely be the multiple rounds of storms, with heavy rain/flooding from E. IA into MI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 AFD for DVN. Seems like they are hinging on destabilization and expect some sort of a TOR threat to evolve based on their AFD Quote As the strong upper trof crosses the central/northern plains by late afternoon, deep synoptic lift, strong shear profiles and unseasonable moisture levels all point to a autumn severe weather event across portions of the area this afternoon and into the evening. If the airmass can recover like projected in these southern and eastern areas, bulk shear of 40-60+ KTS, 0-1km of 20-30KTs, and 0-3km SRH profiles of 300-400+ m2/s2 all suggest sctrd pre-frontal supercells this afternoon and early evening especially south of I80. These shear profiles, some sfc southeast wind component and low LCL`s of 2000 FT AGL or less suggest a tornado threat. Then the second punch of more linear segments or squall line type systems with 60-70 MPH damaging wind threat to sweep in acrs at least the southeastern half to third of the CWA this evening through 8 PM to 10 PM or so tonight. A spin up meso-tornado possible as well with these evening line segments looking at 30 KT 0-3km shear vectors. All in all, slight to enhanced severe weather outlook look on target if we get the thermodynamics to go with the high shear. How far north the main sfc low and triple point makes it still uncertain and will be a player on how far north the main severe threat extends, but most latest run models have trended north and west through this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 The environment will be supportive for tornadoes from northeastern MO into northern IL and possibly eastern IA, but the complication will be storm mode/convective evolution. Some convection allowing models suggest that a sustained, discrete cell or two may develop in northern IL (south of I-80) this afternoon and ride an instability gradient eastward. If convection can both initiate and sustain itself, this area would be primed for a tornado or two. Farther west and north, storm mode may be messy/clustered, along with less impressive instability. However, remnant outflow and/or a surface boundary would be focal points for locally enhanced low level shear, boosting the tornado threat. Edit to clarify northern IL portion. Areas in far northern IL should remain fairly stable in the boundary layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 55 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: Severe threat looks meh for the eastern half of that ENH risk. Bigger story will likely be the multiple rounds of storms, with heavy rain/flooding from E. IA into MI. Yeah, I'm not sure about this one, especially in that area you mentioned. I always like seeing a deepening surface low (like we have in this case) and the associated response with the wind fields as we head into the post-sunset hours -- to try to offset/slow down nocturnal cooling -- but I just don't know how much that area will be able to destabilize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 Enhanced risk was trimmed on the 1630z outlook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Going to be a solid rain producer regardless, well over 2” since midnight with a heavy rain falling at the moment. It is nice to hear thunder, been awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Yeah, that makes more sense. Just a cool fall rain for us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 Nice update just released from LOT. They are skeptical about much of a severe threat from around I-80 northward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Wagons south in my opinion on this event. I do think west central/central portions of IL are more at risk in this event if for no other reason than current satellite showing increased insolation and increasing dews in that area moving northward along with some incipient cells developing as far south as Springfield, which is currently 81/66 at noon central time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 The HRRR is trying to blast the front northward and get decent CAPE into the I-80 corridor this afternoon, but it's kinda hard to envision that happening given radar/satellite trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Meso discussion out now for northern MO into west central IL. But lapse rates are not all that great at present. 40% prob of issuance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Indystorm said: Meso discussion out now for northern MO into west central IL. But lapse rates are not all that great at present. 40% prob of issuance. Issued a tor watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, SchaumburgStormer said: Issued a tor watch They have it extending north into an area that hasn't been able to destabilize much. Will have to watch to see if the increasing low level wind fields allow that gradient to come north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Guess SPC expects the LLJ to increase this evening. Helicity, both low and mid levels, looks good. And sometimes I think helicity outranks lapse rates in being able to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 First tor warning of event issued for se IA, ne Mo, and western IL. (Keokuk area) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 The cell west of Galesburg needs a tornado warning as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 NWS went with svr warning for Galesburg storm. I don't know. Mid and low level helicity are both frighteningly high in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Half dollar sized hail reported near the Monmouth airport at 5:50 p,m. central time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Possible tornado on radar near Bowen, Illinois currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 Effective boundary still seems to be fairly far south. That corridor from around PIA up to southern Lake Michigan has basically cleared out as far as precip so we'll see what kind of northward retreat of the boundary can occur in the coming hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Watch being considered up to the Chicago area. Quote Mesoscale Discussion 1714 NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0601 PM CDT Sat Oct 14 2017 Areas affected...Northern Illinois and adjacent portions of the Upper Midwest Concerning...Tornado Watch 501... Valid 142301Z - 150030Z The severe weather threat for Tornado Watch 501 continues. SUMMARY...The risk for potentially damaging wind gusts and perhaps a couple of tornadoes is expected to increase across much of northern Illinois, including the Chicago metropolitan area through 7-10 PM CDT. An additional watch or watch extension will probably be needed eastward into the Chicago metro area. DISCUSSION...Within moderate to strong southwesterly mid/upper flow, ahead of a significant short wave trough now turning east of the Rockies, forcing for ascent associated with a smaller scale perturbation is contributing to the evolution of at least one distinct mesoscale convective system. The bulk of this activity has spread east of the Mississippi River and appears likely to continue progressing northeastward into the Great Lakes region this evening. As it does, inflow of weak to moderately unstable warm sector air likely will support further convective intensification through the 01-03Z time frame. Strongest storms seem likely to become focused along a remnant convectively generated or enhanced boundary near/north of Interstate 74 into the Interstate 80 corridor of northern Illinois. This is where a zone of low-level warm advection will enhance large-scale ascent, and low-level shear will become maximized as southerly 850 mb flow continues to strengthen to 50+ kt, in conjunction with further deepening of the surface cyclone migrating northeast of central Iowa. The risk for potentially damaging wind gusts seems likely to increase with the evolving convective system across northern Illinois during the next few hours, and could impact at least southern portions, if not much, of the Chicago metropolitan area by around 02Z. Further, an isolated supercell or two within, or perhaps forming discretely ahead of the line, may be accompanied by potential for tornadoes as low-level hodographs enlarge. ..Kerr.. 10/14/2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Augusta IL cell starting to get a hook on reflectivity....Velocity looks good as indicated above from Jim's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Broad rotation NE of Brinfield moving towards Dunlap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 PIA 75/68 se wind at 12 mph... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 West of Chicago this hour. Starting to getting kinks within the line itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jim Martin said: West of Chicago this hour. Starting to getting kinks within the line itself. Seems like flash flooding may be the bigger threat for the metro. Line isn’t in a particular hurry. I am over 4” since midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Nice little mini bow punching east of PIA. I'd also watch the cell approaching Joliet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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