rochesterdave Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, tim123 said: Reports of 2 to 4 inches north side of rochester Hrrrr was pretty good at picking that up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3.2” reported in Fulton (Co-op) in probably about 1hr and 15 min or so..To bad it didn’t hang around a little longer lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 very negative EPO forecasted by the EURO in the long range. it tries to go Pos but puts the brakes on and heads the opposite direction so...... We all know that a -EPO is very much correlated to a cold NE so lets see how this works out. However, the AO is headed in the wrong direction as it heads POS The NAO looks to be following its counterparrt as it heads POS And finally, the PNA is currently POS and looks to stay that way however it is on the weak side. So this is quite interesting as the Pacific is currently cooperating if you want Cold and Snow but the other 2 are both POS and that's traditionally a warm signal so I will be watching this to see which trumps which. The Pacific has usually more of an impact, on the pattern, as a whole versus both the PNA and the EPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 This pattern we are currently going into usually promotes lower latitude blocking which can hit and stick and last for quite some time but I'm still concerned with those teleconnections forecasted by the EURO. Haven't looked at the GFS yet to see if there is any agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Next 10 days looks absolutely disgusting if your a winter weather enthusiast like we all are especially if you don't live E-SE of one of the Lakes and even where snow does fall it will melt very quickly. I'm not sure where all these news outlets are getting all this cold air from next week? I've actually seen temps in the upper 20's for highs next Monday but nowhere do I see this on either of the Global models so IDK. And I've looked at the GFS and they look worse than the EURO, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I forgot what a hassle it is to upload pics here. Any easy way to reduce file size? iOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Irondequoit. This is after hours of melting. We got 4" or so. NWS didn't see my area getting hit. Tim did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, CNY-WXFREAK said: Next 10 days looks absolutely disgusting if your a winter weather enthusiast like we all are especially you don't live E-SE of one of the Lakes and even where snow does fall it will melt very quickly. I'm not sure where all these news outlets are getting all this cold air from next week? I've actually seen temps in the upper 20's for highs next Monday but nowhere do I see this on either of the Global models so IDK. And I've looked at the GFS and they look worse than the EURO, lol. I was actually just going to post the opposite...the wrf is showing a perturbed, albeit mildly, PV the end of November early December...the PV will be sliding into the eurasia side however cohen and others like the idea if colder air into the northeast, the problem im seeing is its dry air after a 1 or 2 day "warm up"then 2 to 3 days of truly chilly air but little moisture. Thinking thats how this pattern will be for a couple weeks until something disrupts the storm track south of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 We got about 5" in Ontario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 4 hours ago, CNY-WXFREAK said: Next 10 days looks absolutely disgusting if your a winter weather enthusiast like we all are especially if you don't live E-SE of one of the Lakes and even where snow does fall it will melt very quickly. I'm not sure where all these news outlets are getting all this cold air from next week? I've actually seen temps in the upper 20's for highs next Monday but nowhere do I see this on either of the Global models so IDK. And I've looked at the GFS and they look worse than the EURO, lol. The next 10 days looks downright good for this time of year (IE: marginal shots at some flakes, temps below freezing some days). It's not like its mid January and we are blowtorching. We can routinely have highs in the 50's and 60's this time of year. Let's tone down the panic, we are off to a better than normal start in my opinion with a few transient cold shots on the horizon. Things are going to be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, rochesterdave said: Irondequoit. This is after hours of melting. We got 4" or so. NWS didn't see my area getting hit. Tim did. The NWS maps routinely had 2-4 called out for Northern/Northeastern Monroe county. If you flip back a few pages you can see the forecasts. The HRR also pegged the band that hit you quite well. I wouldnt say this was unexpected at all. Anyway, be happy nothing but a sugar coat down south of the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-LES FREAK Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 The next 10 days looks downright good for this time of year (IE: marginal shots at some flakes, temps below freezing some days). It's not like its mid January and we are blowtorching. We can routinely have highs in the 50's and 60's this time of year. Let's tone down the panic, we are off to a better than normal start in my opinion with a few transient cold shots on the horizon. Things are going to be ok. I disagree, but I guess we'll see. Avg temp is 47, where I am for mid November, it's gonna be 55 tomorrow after today's low 30's. I don't like riding a Camels back so to speak, I'd rather a 10 day period of cold with a relaxation period in between, while the cold reloads. These are just my thoughts, and I'm glad you see a different outcome.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, CNY-LES FREAK said: I disagree, but I guess we'll see. Avg temp is 47, where I am for mid November, it's gonna be 55 tomorrow after today's low 30's. I don't like riding a Camels back so to speak, I'd rather a 10 day period of cold with a relaxation period in between, while the cold reloads. These are just my thoughts, and I'm glad you see a different outcome. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Yeah what you speak of would be perfect and my thinking is that type of pattern will begin to take shape in the mid of December and begin to take hold for a while bu late December early January...and to this point we are (at KBUF) almost 4 degrees below average for November and a good number of days forecast below the daily average for the remainder of the month...we just havent lined up any precip with the colder temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-LES FREAK Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Yeah what you speak of would be perfect and my thinking is that type of pattern will begin to take shape in the mid of December and begin to take hold for a while bu late December early January...and to this point we are (at KBUF) almost 4 degrees below average for November and a good number of days forecast below the daily average for the remainder of the month...we just havent lined up any precip with the colder temps.Those were the days where Winter hit, and stuck till January with a mid month thaw for about a week or 2, then right back to it for 6-8 wks. Those winters are now, few and far between, like 2013-14 as that hit and didn't leave till March, lol. Actually, it was too cold, but there was no complaining at all, lol.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 38 minutes ago, CNY-LES FREAK said: Those were the days where Winter hit, and stuck till January with a mid month thaw for about a week or 2, then right back to it for 6-8 wks. Those winters are now, few and far between, like 2013-14 as that hit and didn't leave till March, lol. Actually, it was too cold, but there was no complaining at all, lol. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk I have to say that February was incredible from a wall to wall cold and snow here in WNY...if memory serves me 2015 February was similar as well...heres to hoping!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 48 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said: Yeah what you speak of would be perfect and my thinking is that type of pattern will begin to take shape in the mid of December and begin to take hold for a while bu late December early January...and to this point we are (at KBUF) almost 4 degrees below average for November and a good number of days forecast below the daily average for the remainder of the month...we just havent lined up any precip with the colder temps. lake erie already 1 degree below normal. This is a really bad pattern for WNY as the lake is getting cold quick with barely any LES to show for it. Would rather have 50-60 and sunny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 lol at the complaining. You guys suck its nov. 20th. next 10 average below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: lol at the complaining. You guys suck its nov. 20th. next 10 average below normal. Actually im good with it, im a glass half full guy, always have been but with a realistic view built in! I actually just perused the 12z GFS and I absolutely love hour 192 (next Sunday) through just about the end of the run, there appears to be a good match with the GEFS that we will turn much colder towards the end of November early December...and as was previously stated my confidence is growing in this type of pattern because the gfs and euro both nailed the cold air in advance we just had and the blast a week ago. Getting excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: lol at the complaining. You guys suck its nov. 20th. next 10 average below normal. This ^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said: lol at the complaining. You guys suck its nov. 20th. next 10 average below normal. Good pattern for below normal temps, bad pattern for snow chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said: Good pattern for below normal, bad pattern for snow chances. I don't think you can see such things right now. I don't think that's ever been true for the lakes, unless they're frozen lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: I don't think you can see such things right now. I don't think that's ever been true for the lakes, unless they're frozen lol. This is somewhat true, but the 10 day outlooks for GFS/Euro show few inches max for most of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 Still going to be very transient for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Still going to be very transient for awhile. Well out of those 4 pics I like the -EPO...you know im starting think back to 2009-10. If memory serves me it was a very cold January and February with a transient December...all with a mainly positive AO and NAO through that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Thinksnow18 said: Well out of those 4 pics I like the -EPO...you know im starting think back to 2009-10. If memory serves me it was a very cold January and February with a transient December...all with a mainly positive AO and NAO through that period. New weeklies have a -AO look wire to wire, with a -NAO much of the time. eta- NPAC looks fantastic. -EPO, and no sign of a trough out west until near the end of the run, which is early Jan. We hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 19 hours ago, DeltaT13 said: The NWS maps routinely had 2-4 called out for Northern/Northeastern Monroe county. If you flip back a few pages you can see the forecasts. The HRR also pegged the band that hit you quite well. I wouldnt say this was unexpected at all. Anyway, be happy nothing but a sugar coat down south of the city. I actually gave the hrrr credit (and Tim) in one of my posts. The NWS maps had Irondequoit brushed by the 1-2 color. At midnight on Sunday and before any accums, my point and click had 30% of snow showers with .5" or less. I looked. If measured correctly, I got at least 4.5" snow and .5" liquid for that very same forecast period. So their forecast was a bust in my opinion. But lake effect is horrendous to forecast off of Lake Ontario. Off the south shore, it's impossible. Areas 3 miles south of me got zero. I'm not being critical of NWS- none of Roc mets saw anything more than 1" or so. Just was loving the surprise nature of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleyjenkins Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, rochesterdave said: So their forecast was a bust in my opinion. But lake effect is horrendous to forecast off of Lake Ontario. Off the south shore, it's impossible. Areas 3 miles south of me got zero. I'm not being critical of NWS- none of Roc mets saw anything more than 1" or so. Just was loving the surprise nature of it. I had a thought the other day that kind of relates to this, I think. What exactly do they define as "snow accumulation"? For example, I live in Chili and if I measured snow as the guidelines say over the weekend, I would officially have had trace; however, say my snowboard was chilled and didn't allow any melting, I bet I would have had an inch or more as most of my snow fell in a handful of passing bursts of snow over the course of a few hours when temps were still in the upper 30s and melted after about 10-15 minutes, before hourly measurements could have been taken. So I guess in my mind, over an inch did fall, but never was able to accumulate on the ground to anything more than a trace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, rochesterdave said: I actually gave the hrrr credit (and Tim) in one of my posts. The NWS maps had Irondequoit brushed by the 1-2 color. At midnight on Sunday and before any accums, my point and click had 30% of snow showers with .5" or less. I looked. If measured correctly, I got at least 4.5" snow and .5" liquid for that very same forecast period. So their forecast was a bust in my opinion. But lake effect is horrendous to forecast off of Lake Ontario. Off the south shore, it's impossible. Areas 3 miles south of me got zero. I'm not being critical of NWS- none of Roc mets saw anything more than 1" or so. Just was loving the surprise nature of it. It's an interesting discussion and one we revisit often on here. If the NWS was calling for clear skies or just flurries, I would say the forecast busted. However the forecast gave most locations on the south shore at least a chance at some heavier squalls with potentially a few inches in localized areas. If you got 1-2 inches more than the 1-2 forecast I hardly call that a bust. I'm very surprised at the level of accuracy that people demand from forecasters these days. Certainly not something I envy and it makes me glad I didnt become a professional forecaster for my day job. If I looked at the forecast and what happened that night I would give them nearly 100 percent grade with respect to timing, placement, and accumulations. They covered their bases and no one should have been shocked unless totals got above say 6 or 8 inches (in Monroe County). Even way down my way I figured there was a chance I would wake up to 2-3 inches or maybe bare ground The forecast seemed good to me, but I guess I'm much more lenient. I'm just glad we have snow to talk about and the Rochester clan is back posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY-WXFREAK Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The CFSV2 is finally seeing the cold, finally,lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 A little lake enhancement this weekend on a NNW flow? Hwo A cold front will push south across our region Saturday evening. While this front will likely generate an inch or so accumulation of snow, a prolonged 12 to 18 hour period of widespread lake enhanced snow could produce challenging travel conditions from late Saturday night into sunday night. This would include a very busy travel day on Sunday. The area that would have the highest potential for slick travel would be from Batavia to Oswego County, including the New York State Thruway Afd This will be a stronger frontal passage...one that will usher H85 temps as low as -12c across Lake Ontario and the eastern Lake Ontario region. While this is not as cold as earlier forecast...it is certainly cold enough to establish accumulating lake snows southeast of both lakes. The frontal passage itself should generate a coating an inch of accumulation across the forecast area...with several inches looking more plausible for the Chautauqua ridge and from Wayne County east across the southern half of Oswego county. Have raised pops to categorical for these areas. The stage will then be set for what could be a challenging day for travel on Sunday. Medium range ensembles remain in good agreement that a cold cyclonic northerly flow will be in place over our region on Sunday...while fairly deep synoptic moisture will persist. Given that H85 temps are forecast to be in the vcnty of -12c and that there should be some added lift from the northerly upslope flow...fairly steady snow should be found southeast of both lakes...including along the bulk of the New York State Thruway. While accumulations are not expected to be significant in themselves...it could be cold enough for the snow to be a little more greasy so that untreated roadways would be more difficult to navigate. Stay tuned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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