KokomoWX Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 6 hours ago, pondo1000 said: That's why these snowfall maps are useless. How many times has it shown your backyard getting buried and ultimately you don't see a flake? Thats why they are fantasy maps but fun to look at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksey Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 7 hours ago, pondo1000 said: That's why these snowfall maps are useless. How many times has it shown your backyard getting buried and ultimately you don't see a flake? Where do you get these maps? It looks like pivotal weather, but I couldn’t find that AF/Kuchera ratio for the whole run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Aleksey said: Where do you get these maps? It looks like pivotal weather, but I couldn’t find that AF/Kuchera ratio for the whole run? College of Dupage weather site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Tonight will mark the 7th anniversary of the "super clipper" that dropped 9"+ on this area. Was a great start to what turned out to be a phenomenal winter. https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/current/mcview.phtml?prod=lotrad&java=script&mode=archive&frames=200&interval=5&year=2010&month=12&day=3&hour=16&minute=10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Here are annual snow % of normal plots from two years out of The Snowy Seventies. These were highly cold winters and they both had above average snow for Toledo OH. The year of 77-78 held the record snowfall for Toledo until 2013-14. I guess the Gulf Coast got trace to a few inches in the winter of 76-77. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I just found this on my pc. Don't know why I saved it, but...um...probably won't verify, even with great head start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, IWXwx said: I just found this on my pc. Don't know why I saved it, but...um...probably won't verify, even with great head start. Hmm, we'll see. This map is since the 1st of the month but in any event, we are putting up some big departures (including tomorrow as well, at least via midnight/early morning highs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 An ATL crippler special for Powerball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Told him that his timing to escape winter couldn't have been more poorly timed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, (((Will))) said: Most people here don't remember this about me. I'm from Atlanta. I was 18 when I finally moved north to Maine. I was actually friends with many people on this board way back in the 1990s when I still lived in Atlanta and when we were stuck at the weatherchannel forums, I think it was. We also did mIRC, etc. But anyways...back before the 'superstorm' in 1993, I saw a storm that was nearly identical to the one in that image above. Maybe not to other areas, but it was that way in Atlanta. I was living then in northern Atlanta. Was just a kid. But this one night we got around 2 inches of snow - that was dead friggin massive in my mind. The next day, given my life crushing obsession with snow, my parents drove me down south of Atlanta to around Newnan, etc. They had around 6+ inches of snow. I had NEVER seen that much snow in my life on the ground. I hadn't even seen it cover the grass. Just wanted to share that. So you were in Atlanta for the Superstorm? That must've been a sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Hoosier said: An ATL crippler special for Powerball? What are the odds on the under for every location? I will take those odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Stebo said: What are the odds on the under for every location? I will take those odds. It has GEM support. Be VERY careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, Hoosier said: It has GEM support. Be VERY careful. Double down, this is easy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Stebo said: Double down, this is easy money. I almost hope it verifies just to see if anyone here has a meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, Hoosier said: I almost hope it verifies just to see if anyone here has a meltdown. It would be pretty ridiculous that they get snow before most locations up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Regarding the upcoming pattern. Cold, dry, and suppressed as far as the eye can see....I honestly would rather have 40s and rain, at least the bare ground wouldn't freeze up and cut our work off. I may be wrong but wasn't winter 1976-77 a dry cold winter? Any analog value to this winter? #worst_weather_pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 0:32 PM, IWXwx said: I am trying to reign in my enthusiasm for the upcoming flip. The guys in the LES belts have every right to be giddy, as it is setting up to be an exciting period for those regions. However, I have some reservations for those of us relying on nice cutter or bowling ball. I understand the positives that have been discussed: -The strength and longevity of the trough/cold air, including the reinforcing dump of arctic air being depicted near mid-month, resulting in little chance of precip type issues -The nice snowpack being laid down along/north of the border, making for a nice setup for the rest of winter -The mention of a trough retrograde, allowing moisture/system snows to pump into the subforum, etc. Looking at the models in terms of sensible weather is a little disheartening to me. Those worried about cold and dry may have point. I am seeing being dependent on a couple of weak clippers to deliver any goods except for the slight trough relaxation which allows the mid-month spread-the-wealth storm in GFS weenie-land. I'm not going to hang my hat on that one yet, although it is the time period to watch for SOMETHING. The GFS and EPS both point to a trough reinforcement after that time period, possibly leading to more dry/cold. I hope that I am completely wrong and know that this may be a nice setup for later in the month, but I have a bad feeling that I may spend early to mid December freezing my reasoner for a few mood flakes. EDIT: I might have put this in the wrong thread. Maybe it belongs in medium range thread, or better yet, in the complaint thread. lol BUMP (And moved to the proper thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 6 hours ago, buckeye said: Regarding the upcoming pattern. Cold, dry, and suppressed as far as the eye can see....I honestly would rather have 40s and rain, at least the bare ground wouldn't freeze up and cut our work off. I may be wrong but wasn't winter 1976-77 a dry cold winter? Any analog value to this winter? #worst_weather_pattern Every time a cold pattern is in place people always say cold dry and suppressed. This pattern looks good for clippers. 1976-77 was a cold dry winter though I don't know if it is an analog. It's actually been a while since we have had a true cold dry wnter. Stretches of it yes, but talking an entire winter of cold and dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Not much to say. Like it or not, we take the clipper pattern for now. I am still hopeful for a bit of a shakeup in the 15th-25th timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddyweather Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Not much to say. Like it or not, we take the clipper pattern for now. I am still hopeful for a bit of a shakeup in the 15th-25th timeframe. The 324hr GFS supports this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, geddyweather said: The 324hr GFS supports this. buckeye and IWX's favorite... cold with limited snow followed by rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, Hoosier said: buckeye and IWX's favorite... cold with limited snow followed by rain. Oh you know that is coming, 100%. Also anyone getting excited about clippers needs to realize with an upper low this strong, they are going to be shred apart for the most part, and moisture starved. You need a bit of a buckle in the pattern for a clipper to go a bit hybrid and actually do something meaningful, I don't see any of that happening at this point, just a bit of dusty yawners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, Stebo said: Oh you know that is coming, 100%. Also anyone getting excited about clippers needs to realize with an upper low this strong, they are going to be shred apart for the most part, and moisture starved. You need a bit of a buckle in the pattern for a clipper to go a bit hybrid and actually do something meaningful, I don't see any of that happening at this point, just a bit of dusty yawners. I would've welcomed this type of pattern right before Christmas. At least you'd have the cold and you'd know that whatever falls would stick around. Really want to avoid a spoiler this year. And having snow on the ground with temps above freezing/melting counts as a spoiler in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 51 minutes ago, Hoosier said: buckeye and IWX's favorite... cold with limited snow followed by rain. Ho ho ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpbob21 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 8 hours ago, buckeye said: Regarding the upcoming pattern. Cold, dry, and suppressed as far as the eye can see....I honestly would rather have 40s and rain, at least the bare ground wouldn't freeze up and cut our work off. I may be wrong but wasn't winter 1976-77 a dry cold winter? Any analog value to this winter? #worst_weather_pattern Generally speaking, yes, but it had some potent clippers and one big dog app runner type storm in early January. Not near as epic as 77-78 but far from awful and much better than what I'm seeing for the current pattern over the next 10 days. Right now I don't see it as a good analog to this winter but it's still early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Overnight discussion from New Orleans went pretty in depth on their chances for flakes. By the way, for New Orleans itself, the last trace of snow was in January 2014 and the last measurable snow was in December 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 California's burning... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hoosier said: California's burning... again. Too many people in too dry of a place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_4184 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Wow, Winter Storm Warnings for Extreme South Texas, when was the last time that happened? Considering many places in the sub haven't even seen any meaaningful snow yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, josh_4184 said: Wow, Winter Storm Warnings for Extreme South Texas, when was the last time that happened? Considering many places in the sub haven't even seen any meaaningful snow yet. 2004 More than likely is the last time they had snow that far south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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