wxeyeNH Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Whites are past peak. We are just passing peak here in the NW Lakes Region. Yesterday might have been peak day but lots of leaves coming down. The one exception is the oaks which are just starting to turn their golden brown. I posted a drone flight a bit back in my thread from 2 days ago. Really pretty poor color in my area this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Some colors showing up at home. Moosup Pond, what a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Leaves are now done. For the first time in a while the vistas in the elevations are full stick season. Ridge after ridge of barren hillsides. Todays wind was the final blow...gusting 40mph at 1500ft and gusting in the 60s above 3000ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2nd autumn in N. Maine this week, with aspens in full colors. Maples and birches 75% leaf drop there, but with the odd maple still standing out like a flashbulb. (dating myself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 It's definitely stick season above 2K in VT. ~90% leaf drop with just a few stragglers left, particularly the beeches in the understory, which are a copper color. Peak was probably around Columbus Day, but that rain and wind from the remnants of Nate brought down a lot of the brighter colors just as things were peaking. Like a lot of places, this was one of the more disappointing foliage years I've ever seen around here. Some drone photos of the foliage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 I was out and about in the lowlands of SE MA and color is actually decent. Typical maples are dropping already. Oaks are finally starting to turn with some goldens and a few reds noticeable on them. I assume red leaves means red oaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Everything is peak and changed color in NE hills except the Oaks.. many of which have tiny or no leaves from gypsies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, CoastalWx said: I was out and about in the lowlands of SE MA and color is actually decent. Typical maples are dropping already. Oaks are finally starting to turn with some goldens and a few reds noticeable on them. I assume red leaves means red oaks? I've seen red oaks that go straight to brown - the 20" by 80 ft specimen near the house is one - and others with a subdued but nice auburn. White oaks can add some purplish, and if you have some pin oak a bright red is likely. (Pin oak also has abundant horizontal, or even a bit downward, branches. Not native to Maine but often planted as a street tree.) Except for that one oak, which still has most of its leaves, it's 90% sticks at my place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, tamarack said: I've seen red oaks that go straight to brown - the 20" by 80 ft specimen near the house is one - and others with a subdued but nice auburn. White oaks can add some purplish, and if you have some pin oak a bright red is likely. (Pin oak also has abundant horizontal, or even a bit downward, branches. Not native to Maine but often planted as a street tree.) Except for that one oak, which still has most of its leaves, it's 90% sticks at my place. Pretty sure I have multiple species of oaks in my yard. I'll have to get a pic of the leaves and bark to see if you can identify. Oaks used to be a staple tree I guess back in the day. Where I live now, ship building was big and the colonists used all of the oaks around this area to assist with that. Much of the area was clear cut. Now, the oaks are back...and as much as I curse the across...they are one hell of a sturdy tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: Pretty sure I have multiple species of oaks in my yard. I'll have to get a pic of the leaves and bark to see if you can identify. Oaks used to be a staple tree I guess back in the day. Where I live now, ship building was big and the colonists used all of the oaks around this area to assist with that. Much of the area was clear cut. Now, the oaks are back...and as much as I curse the across...they are one hell of a sturdy tree. I want tamarack to ID my trees too. I'm pretty sure it's mostly maple in the back of my lot, with some pine sprinkled in. No Norway maples though, so that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, OceanStWx said: I want tamarack to ID my trees too. I'm pretty sure it's mostly maple in the back of my lot, with some pine sprinkled in. No Norway maples though, so that's a good thing. I wonder what causes certain pockets of trees to really flourish. My guess is the soil around here. Since it's just glacial garbage...Trees like oaks probably do best. You go to other areas of SE MA where soil is better and wetter because of low lands...you have those beautiful maples...no Norway maples as you said. Also lots of white pine. I'm on a small hill that is filled with crap soil and ledge, so we oak I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: I wonder what causes certain pockets of trees to really flourish. My guess is the soil around here. Since it's just glacial garbage...Trees like oaks probably do best. You go to other areas of SE MA where soil is better and wetter because of low lands...you have those beautiful maples...no Norway maples as you said. Also lots of white pine. I'm on a small hill that is filled with crap soil and ledge, so we oak I guess. My subdivision has a lot of area classified as wetland (not like marsh, but just persistent ground water and drainage into the Presumpscot) so I guess I'm not surprised if it's a lot of red maple and white pine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 This foliage season really has baffled me. Still so much green in my area. The maples are mostly past but most other tree species have not. Oaks are mostly green. Very little change this week but has never looked like this on Oct 21rst. Of course we are running near record warmth. A week has past since I posted the first picture below. I had my other smartphone with me today so its not a direct comparison but you get the idea. Still very green up at 1400 feet. It's hard to believe that in N VT its bare. I wonder if we will have any power issues this upcoming week with strong winds and trees still mostly in full leaf? First picture is Oct 14th second picture was from today, Oct 21st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, wxeyeNH said: This foliage season really has baffled me. Still so much green in my area. The maples are mostly past but most other tree species have not. Oaks are mostly green. Very little change this week but has never looked like this on Oct 21rst. Of course we are running near record warmth. A week has past since I posted the first picture below. I had my other smartphone with me today so its not a direct comparison but you get the idea. Still very green up at 1400 feet. It's hard to believe that in N VT its bare. I wonder if we will have any power issues this upcoming week with strong winds and trees still mostly in full leaf? For many there was no true peak this year, just pockets of good color and as you said so much variability with green trees next to ones that are nearly bare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Northwestern Connecticut is at peak to just past with lots of bright colors in Granby, Suffield, Hartland, Norfolk and Canaan. Mohawk Mtn / Norfolk Tower Road / Cornwall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Sugarloaf1989 said: Northwestern Connecticut is at peak to just past with lots of bright colors in Granby, Suffield, Hartland, Norfolk and Canaan. Mohawk Mtn / Norfolk Tower Road / Cornwall: So dull. What a dud this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, CoastalWx said: So dull. What a dud this year. Wow, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, CoastalWx said: So dull. What a dud this year. Careful. He gets angry at the smallest things. Proceed with caution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 46 minutes ago, Sugarloaf1989 said: Wow, thanks. Unless you control foliage? It's nothing personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Careful. He gets angry at the smallest things. Proceed with caution Pot calling the kettle black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: Unless you control foliage? It's nothing personal. The Mohawk picture was taken with bright sunlight directly overhead, so the color looks bleached. I thought the middle picture was nice but that's my opinion. CT is not the ideal foliage state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Combo of wet cold spring and summer and then drought , top 3 warmest falls on record just threw the trees into WTF mode. A lost year for wx and trees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Enfield, Suffield and Somers have some really nice foliage color right now, but a lot of it is in difficult spots to photograph. I'll try tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Combo of wet cold spring and summer and then drought , top 3 warmest falls on record just threw the trees into WTF mode. A lost year for wx and trees 4 days in the 90s is what really killed the foliage, you seem to think as do I it's the future of falls going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sugarloaf1989 said: 4 days in the 90s is what really killed the foliage, you seem to think as do I it's the future of falls going forward. Probably the first thing we’ve ever agreed on. It sucks , but it’s a different regime than we had growing up. The first noticeable /tangible aspects of our climate moving towards DC/Philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Probably the first thing we’ve ever agreed on. It sucks , but it’s a different regime than we had growing up. The first noticeable /tangible aspects of our climate moving towards DC/Philly I read in Vermont Today as early as 2000, speculation that climate change could ruin the foliage. From recent memory 2013 and 2017 where bad. It's also bad on tourism, C. and S. Vermont where dead these past few weeks. I heard from friends who cancelled vacation stays in Vermont for foliage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 36F this morning and 81F this afternoon in Enfield. The trees are surely confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 how does climate change affect foliage? You have a wide range of avg temps up and down the mtns and you get great foliage at every elevation. You can get good foliage well south of New England where it's warmer on avg as well. It's just been one of those years where we didn't get the normal progression. We got the maples going early and then went back to summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, dendrite said: how does climate change affect foliage? You have a wide range of avg temps up and down the mtns and you get great foliage at every elevation. You can get good foliage well south of New England where it's warmer on avg as well. It's just been one of those years where we didn't get the normal progression. We got the maples going early and then went back to summer. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/experts-expect-worst-season-in-years-for-fall-foliage/2017/10/17/57dde1a8-b2fe-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sugarloaf1989 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/experts-expect-worst-season-in-years-for-fall-foliage/2017/10/17/57dde1a8-b2fe-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html That's specific to this year. What's the climate change explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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