stormtracker Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Poor Katia, nobody cares about her BULLETIN Tropical Storm Katia Advisory Number 3 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132017 400 AM CDT Wed Sep 06 2017 ...DEPRESSION BECOMES TROPICAL STORM KATIA... SUMMARY OF 400 AM CDT...0900 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...22.1N 96.3W ABOUT 105 MI...165 KM E OF TAMPICO MEXICO MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...ESE OR 110 DEGREES AT 2 MPH...4 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1006 MB...29.71 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect. A tropical storm watch could be required for portions of the Mexican state of Veracruz later today. DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK ------------------------------ At 400 AM CDT (0900 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Katia was located near latitude 22.1 North, longitude 96.3 West. Katia is moving toward the east-southeast near 2 mph (4 km/h), and the system should gradually turn southeastward during the next 24 hours and continue moving in this general direction through Thursday. A turn toward the southwest is forecast on Friday. On the forecast track, the center of Katia is expected to remain offshore of Mexico through Friday morning. Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 40 mph (65 km/h) with higher gusts. Some strengthening is forecast during the next 48 hours. Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 45 miles (75 km) from the center. The estimated minimum central pressure is 1006 mb (29.71 inches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I care a little. Good chance it will become a hurricane before landfall. It has at least 72 hours before landfall, and it will have at least 24 hours of favorable upper level environment. It's peak season, and the GoM is simmering, you'll see <-80 C top clouds temps with Katia. I don't even discard a period of RI during those 24 hours of good atmospheric conditions. Thinking cat 1 at landfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Recon shows a much stronger storm than what the 11am advisory analyzed. 994mb and 56FL/52SFMR. This is a 50 kts TS already (my estimate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, wxmx said: Recon shows a much stronger storm than what the 11am advisory analyzed. 994mb and 56FL/52SFMR. This is a 50 kts TS already (my estimate). Could easily go through RI. I wouldn't be shocked if this thing makes major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Could easily go through RI. I wouldn't be shocked if this thing makes major. The possibility is there...not very high right now, until it consolidates a good eyewall. But taking into account it's organizing pretty nicely under some not very favorable shear, and that is forecasted to improve, I think there's some chance it can RI to major. Right now the SSTs and the thermodynamics are there, especially with that outflow channel to it's northeast which is evacuating upper air at a pretty good pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, wxmx said: The possibility is there...not very high right now, until it consolidates a good eyewall. But taking into account it's organizing pretty nicely under some not very favorable shear, and that is forecasted to improve, I think there's some chance it can RI to major. Right now the SSTs and the thermodynamics are there, especially with that outflow channel to it's northeast which is evacuating upper air at a pretty good pace. you should convince josh to chase this. he'd have it all to himself instead of competing with guys like reed timmer for irma footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, cmasty1978 said: you should convince josh to chase this. he'd have it all to himself instead of competing with guys like reed timmer for irma footage. Thought about that actually. Everybody and their grandmother will be in Miami for Irma. But it's hard to compete with a current cat 5. Maybe tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 71FL/66SFMR, 992.2 extrapolated, though the last pass was 994, which matched the dropsonde. Also, they are flying at 925mb, quite low. Hurricane Katia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Quote Hurricane Katia Discussion Number 5 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132017 400 PM CDT Wed Sep 06 2017 An Air Force reconnaissance plane just investigated Katia and found a much better organized tropical cyclone with a partial eyewall. It also measured a flight-level wind of 71 kt and 66 kt with the SFMR. Based on these data and the improved satellite presentation, Katia is upgraded to a hurricane with 65 kt winds. The upper-level wind pattern is becoming more favorable, and that can be observed by the expansion of the outflow. All models continue to favor intensification, and in fact, the SHIPS RI index gives a 63 percent chance of a 30-kt wind increase in 24 hours. The NHC forecast calls for strengthening but at this time is not as high as some of the guidance. Katia is embedded within very weak steering currents, and it is now moving slowly toward the southeast at about 3 kt. The hurricane is forecast to meander in the southwestern Gulf of Mexico for the next day or two. After that time the global models develop a ridge over the northern Gulf of Mexico and this flow pattern will steer Katia southwestward toward the state of Veracruz. The NHC forecast is basically on top of the multi-model consensus and follows the trend of the HFIP corrected consensus HCCA. Given the upward intensity trend and the forecast track toward the coast, the government of Mexico has issued a hurricane watch for a portion of the coast of the state of Veracruz. Katia is also forecast to bring torrential rains primarily to the state of Veracruz during the next few days. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 06/2100Z 21.7N 95.1W 65 KT 75 MPH 12H 07/0600Z 21.5N 94.7W 70 KT 80 MPH 24H 07/1800Z 21.3N 94.7W 75 KT 85 MPH 36H 08/0600Z 21.1N 95.0W 80 KT 90 MPH 48H 08/1800Z 20.9N 95.9W 80 KT 90 MPH 72H 09/1800Z 19.5N 98.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND 96H 10/1800Z...DISSIPATED $$ Forecaster Avila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfgmfg Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Odds she re-emerges and re-organizes in the Pacific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Near major at 48... dissipated at 96... thats fast Hurricane Katia Discussion Number 6 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132017 1000 PM CDT Wed Sep 06 2017 Satellite images indicate that Katia has a small symmetric central dense overcast with very deep convection near the center. Subjective and objective Dvorak estimates have risen since the past advisory and, after accounting for the low bias earlier, support an initial wind speed of 70 kt. With wind shear forecast to drop while the hurricane remains over very warm waters, it is puzzling to see that most of the regional hurricane guidance is only showing a small increase in wind speed. Although this area of the Gulf of Mexico is known for significant upwelling, Katia is a rather small tropical cyclone that shouldn't stir up as much cool water from below as most hurricanes would. After considering the potential upwelling and the extremely favorable upper-level environment, the intensity forecast is raised from the previous one, but could be conservative since the SHIPS RI index is showing roughly a 50 percent of rapid intensification during the next 24 hours. Katia is drifting east-southeastward, caught in a light steering area between two ridges. The hurricane should gradually turn southwestward during the next 24 hours, then accelerate after that time due to a strengthening ridge over the northwestern Gulf of Mexico. The official forecast is very similar to the previous one, on the south side on the dynamical model consensus TVCN in the direction of the corrected consensus. Given the latest wind radii forecast, the government of Mexico has extended the hurricane watch northward to Cabo Rojo. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 07/0300Z 21.7N 94.8W 70 KT 80 MPH 12H 07/1200Z 21.5N 94.6W 80 KT 90 MPH 24H 08/0000Z 21.3N 94.8W 90 KT 105 MPH 36H 08/1200Z 21.1N 95.4W 95 KT 110 MPH 48H 09/0000Z 20.6N 96.4W 95 KT 110 MPH 72H 10/0000Z 19.0N 98.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND 96H 11/0000Z...DISSIPATED $$ Forecaster Blake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfgmfg Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 AF recon arriving soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 3/4's of an eyewall already present according to an MW image from a few hours ago. It's a rather small cyclone, and the upper level winds are slowly turning more favorable, so the chances for RI and major'ing are creeping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Let's see what recon finds, but it appears to be stronger and with a better core structure than earlier. That's a potentially tiny eye in a tiny cane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 These tiny, tiny hurricanes can throw some curveballs. Because of their size, they can spin up really quickly a-la charley. I also wouldn't be surprised to see this make a run at major status given the tendency for storms to strengthen down there, solid outflow to the N/NE, lessening shear, and warm SSTs. The ballerina analogy definitely applies here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morris Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 983 mb. SFMR of 70 kts. 80 kts FL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Still a CAT1 with a 983mb pressure 75mph winds. Small storms like this can archive CAT3 with pressures in the upper 960s. The Diurnal max is approaching and a big convective blast can strengthen small storms rather fast like the HMON is showing. I think 3 major hurricanes at once would be a new record, but I don't even know how to look that one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Too bad the recon ended when eye was popping out and microwave showed a nearly complete eyewall. It's probably gonna enter an RIC the next 24 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Too bad that comms are very spotty with the recon mission. But looking at visible, it looks pretty good and at least it looks it's gradually strengthening. Since upper level conditions are slowly improving, I can easily see central pressures lowering into the 960s (or less if it enters a RIC), and since it's a rather small cane, it would support a major prior to landfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 yeah, that thing in the 960's would be really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Apparently Katia is off course...well west, and jogging almost to the NW in the last 2 hours. Props to the CMC and Ukmet if they verify their northern track better than the rest of the models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 The way is off track is quite rare from an NHC track in the lower latitudes. What difference can it make in terms of intensity prospects? Not much probably, but a few things to consider Shear is slightly higher up north The coast distance to the mountains is larger Due to the coast shape, the trek is longer, meaning a little more time over water Mixed signals, probably compensating each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfgmfg Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 High surf and small craft advisories in effect for southern Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Pulled a Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Katia is weakening rapidly as landfall approaches...NHC 7PM advisory had 972mb 105mph, and recon just found 997mb and ~55kts FL an hour later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, wxmx said: Pulled a Don just #BOCthings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 There's the Atlantic we all know and love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER TROPICAL CYCLONE REPORTHURRICANE KATIA (AL132017)5 – 9 September 2017http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/AL132017_Katia.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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