Chicago Storm Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Recon finding pressures in the 940'sIndeed, 944mb. Much lower than the last advisory estimate of 957mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
correnjim1 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 fish storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Jose may have stronger winds than Irma right now. 146 kts. FL and 2 flagged SFMR readings around that number. Unflagged SFMRs seem to be close to the normal 10% reduction so something like 130 kts. is probably pretty realistic for intensity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dunkman said: Jose may have stronger winds than Irma right now. 146 kts. FL and 2 flagged SFMR readings around that number. Unflagged SFMRs seem to be close to the normal 10% reduction so something like 130 kts. is probably pretty realistic for intensity. Wow. Jose has really blown it's top. That's solid Cat 4 closing in on Cat 5. That would be a pretty intense RI period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy_wx Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 ZCZC MIATCUAT2 ALL TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM Hurricane Jose Tropical Cyclone Update NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL122017 1000 AM AST Fri Sep 08 2017 ...HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE FINDS JOSE IS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE... Data from an Air Force Hurricane Hunter plane indicate that the maximum sustained winds in Jose have increased to near 150 mph (240 km/h), making Jose an extremely dangerous category 4 hurricane. This intensity change will be reflected in the upcoming 1100 AM AST (1500 UTC) advisory. SUMMARY OF 1000 AM AST...1400 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...16.2N 56.9W ABOUT 435 MI...700 KM ESE OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...150 MPH...240 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 18 MPH...30 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...942 MB...27.82 INCHES $$ Forecaster Zelinsky NNNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I don't know what kinda feeding ground is out there in that part of the Atlantic but the storms are loving it. Very impressive for Jose to deepen like that seeing how Irma just went through there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulaginman Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Does anyone know if there have ever been simultaneous 150 mph hurricanes in the Atlantic Basin? I know there have been simultaneous category 4 hurricanes on two occasions prior to this one...most recently being Igor and Julia in 2010. But neither Igor nor Julia were as powerful as Irma and Jose. I suspect this is likely a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendy Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 They are trying to get everyone off the island of Barbuda before Jose gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 17 hours ago, JC-CT said: 17 hours ago, Juliancolton said: Amusing Jose track from one of the EPS individuals. That would be awe inspiring Only a bit more ridiculous than the loop Jeanne made in 04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibet Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I understand Irma is bearing down on FL but kind of surprised how little attention this storm is getting... the intensification this thing is undergoing is nothing short of incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tibet said: I understand Irma is bearing down on FL but kind of surprised how little attention this storm is getting... the intensification this thing is undergoing is nothing short of incredible. Some of us have been paying attention. Good break from all the weenies in the Irma thread. I said yesterday that Jose was about to go all beastly on us and ta daaaa... and I don't think it's done just yet. Looks very good on Satellite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 I can't imagine how people in the islands must feel. This storm might wipe what's left of Barbuda off the map... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, NortheastPAWx said: I can't imagine how people in the islands must feel. This storm might wipe what's left of Barbuda off the map... But on the other hand if they're going to get hit maybe now is better than say a month or a year from now after the cleanup/recovery has begun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Wow I think Jose is stronger than Irma right now. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just now, dmillz25 said: Wow I think Jose is stronger than Irma right now. No? Both are 150 as of last advisory, Irma still stronger pressure wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrye Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Speculation on how/why Jose managed to become a Cat 4 while right behind Irma? I would have thought that "traditionally", we would not expect a Tropical System right behind another to develop into another strong one due to upwelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said: Both are 150 as of last advisory, Irma still stronger pressure wise yeah but Jose is on the upswing while Irma is licking her wounds and trying to recover some. Still awesome to see two near cat 5 storms out there. Sometimes you go several seasons without there being one cat 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, NortheastPAWx said: I can't imagine how people in the islands must feel. This storm might wipe what's left of Barbuda off the map... I saw on twitter somewhere that the residents are trying to get the heck outta dodge. I guess living through one Cat 5 cane was enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelathos Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, larrye said: Speculation on how/why Jose managed to become a Cat 4 while right behind Irma? I would have thought that "traditionally", we would not expect a Tropical System right behind another to develop into another strong one due to upwelling? Jose is at least not as strong (yet) as Irma was. We might attribute that difference to prior upwelling from Irma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrye Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just now, Kelathos said: Jose is at least not as strong (yet) as Irma was. We might attribute that difference to prior upwelling from Irma. I think there's a lot more to it than this. First of all ... It's almost as strong ... a cat 4. Secondly, it was my understanding that up until now ... a tropical system was highly unlikely to strengthen (or even develop) when it is right behind another strong tropical system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 hours ago, correnjim1 said: fish storm Too early to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Snow88 said: Too early to say The problem is, even is Jose doesn't get sheared apart by the outflow from Irma and the ULL over the NW atlantic, steering currents become very weak, and by that point it just waits to be picked up by the trough that eventually sweeps the remnants of Irma out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawdogGRNJ Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Hazey said: I don't know what kinda feeding ground is out there in that part of the Atlantic but the storms are loving it. Very impressive for Jose to deepen like that seeing how Irma just went through there. 43 minutes ago, larrye said: Speculation on how/why Jose managed to become a Cat 4 while right behind Irma? I would have thought that "traditionally", we would not expect a Tropical System right behind another to develop into another strong one due to upwelling? My understanding (limited) is that this is not all that unusual. The first storm clears the way through the fronts, troughs, and windsheer, making it an easier path for the storm behind it. EDIT: What would be stunning would be Hurricane Lee forming on the heels of Jose and running up to a similar strength. Will keep a close eye on the latest wave coming off of Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrye Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, LawdogGRNJ said: My understanding (limited) is that this is not all that unusual. The first storm clears the way through the fronts, troughs, and windsheer, making it an easier path for the storm behind it. Definitely not my understanding. My understanding is usually, the upwelling and outflow from the first storm prevents the second from strengthening ... and often ... prevents it from even developing tropical characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 14 minutes ago, larrye said: Definitely not my understanding. My understanding is usually, the upwelling and outflow from the first storm prevents the second from strengthening ... and often ... prevents it from even developing tropical characteristics. Distance is the key...they are more than 1000 miles apart. Almost the same distance between Katia and Irma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawdogGRNJ Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, larrye said: Definitely not my understanding. My understanding is usually, the upwelling and outflow from the first storm prevents the second from strengthening ... and often ... prevents it from even developing tropical characteristics. That may depend upon how close the waves are then. Looking at a Precipital water map, it doesn't look like Jose was close enough to have been affected by Irma, whereas the wave behind Jose is struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrye Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, LawdogGRNJ said: That may depend upon how close the waves are then. Looking at a Precipital water map, it doesn't look like Jose was close enough to have been affected by Irma, whereas the wave behind Jose is struggling. Perhaps. It just seems to me that even with a significant distance ... prior situations where a strong Tropical System has just traversed that same area don't usually lend themselves to development. I could be wrong. Would be interesting to hear from a Met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 it's gotta be a 5 now. looks spectacular on every goes16 channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olafminesaw Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Can't turn our back on Jose just yet. Tropics have thrown some surprise around. Euro keeps it mildly interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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