Climate change

[Nateofark]

I've been watching the forums and I've been noticing something.
I’ve been a troubleshooter all of my life and I’ve learned to ask questions.

Everybody pretty much agrees the the worlds weather has been changing.

In ALL  of these posts, nobody asks WHY. In this instance the WHY is VERY IMPORTANT.

WHY is the oceans temperature  rising and not just at surface level ?
WHY are BOTH Artic and Antarctic getting warmer ?
WHY has the Aurora seen as far south as the Central US ?

The Inuit's have been observing the the SUN and it's in not where its supposed to be.
These people base their LIFE on where the sun is at and how warm the sea is.

Now I’m pretty sure the SUN hasn’t moved from where it’s supposed to be.
SO WHAT CHANGED ?

Newton’s first law of Physics:
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Newton’s third law of Physics:
An object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by and outside force.

You tell me, WHY has the PLANET’S weather changed and going to keep changing ?

The computer models mean SQUAT about now.

Once you answer the WHY, the rest falls into place.
Not a pretty picture.

Nate

[Poimen]

I'm confused. Are you suggesting the earth has "moved" (as in it's orbit is closer to the sun)?

[rygar]

17 minutes ago, Poimen said:

I'm confused. Are you suggesting the earth has "moved" (as in it's orbit is closer to the sun)?

I think the opposite, the sun moved closer to the earth 

[Nateofark]

It's the WATER(Ocean) temperature you need to watch, not air.

 

If you want to try and move the SUN, go for it, not gonna happen.

Move the earth yes, the sun NO. The earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around. 

 

There is only ONE logical explanation for the Arctic AND Antarctic to both heat up at the same time AND at the same rate.

Global warming caused by man would not do that it would just be a by product.

 

Since you've read my post to ask THAT question, the angle of the sun's shift would tell you the not only has it moved, but the earth's axis is wrong.

( By about 6 degrees from what it should be )

I wonder what could get the weather to be so messed up.

 

I've done a lot of research in the last few years, its your turn.

And remember the Third Law of Physics

 For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The question is: What kind of Action could actually move a planet ? 

Actually, it's not just one action but quite a few added up.

 

Then you have to take into account the First Law of Physics:

An object in motion continues in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

Now the question becomes: What kind of Action could actually move a planet THAT'S ALREADY MOVING IN A SET PATH ?

 

Balls in your court.

Nate

P.S. Gonna be more questions so better bone up.

 

[WidreMann]

Before you ask questions, can you first explain what evidence you have that the Earth is closer to the sun than it was before? By the way, if that were the cause, as with any increase in solar forcing, we would have more uniform warming, not stronger warming at the poles. We also wouldn't have stratospheric cooling, which is associated with the decrease in heat radiation from the upper troposphere due to CO2 blocking it. That's among many pieces of evidence that point to CO2 being the forcing, rather than the sun. Also, I have as yet come across any evidence that we are seeing increased solar output (whether because the sun has gotten hotter or because the Earth is somehow closer to it). And finally, it'd be really easy to notice if our orbit had changed since that would change constellations and other readily observable astronomical phenomena. The Inuit and other folks may pay attention to the sun and the sky, but they don't have the level of detail we have with modern technology and physical models and math. We would notice this change if it had happened.

[so_whats_happening]

6 hours ago, Nateofark said:

I've been watching the forums and I've been noticing something.
I’ve been a troubleshooter all of my life and I’ve learned to ask questions.

Everybody pretty much agrees the the worlds weather has been changing.

In ALL  of these posts, nobody asks WHY. In this instance the WHY is VERY IMPORTANT.

WHY is the oceans temperature  rising and not just at surface level ?
WHY are BOTH Artic and Antarctic getting warmer ?
WHY has the Aurora seen as far south as the Central US ?

The Inuit's have been observing the the SUN and it's in not where its supposed to be.
These people base their LIFE on where the sun is at and how warm the sea is.

Now I’m pretty sure the SUN hasn’t moved from where it’s supposed to be.
SO WHAT CHANGED ?

Newton’s first law of Physics:
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Newton’s third law of Physics:
An object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by and outside force.

You tell me, WHY has the PLANET’S weather changed and going to keep changing ?

The computer models mean SQUAT about now.

Once you answer the WHY, the rest falls into place.
Not a pretty picture.

Nate

 

4 hours ago, Nateofark said:

It's the WATER(Ocean) temperature you need to watch, not air.

 

If you want to try and move the SUN, go for it, not gonna happen.

Move the earth yes, the sun NO. The earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around. 

 

There is only ONE logical explanation for the Arctic AND Antarctic to both heat up at the same time AND at the same rate.

Global warming caused by man would not do that it would just be a by product.

 

Since you've read my post to ask THAT question, the angle of the sun's shift would tell you the not only has it moved, but the earth's axis is wrong.

( By about 6 degrees from what it should be )

I wonder what could get the weather to be so messed up.

 

I've done a lot of research in the last few years, its your turn.

And remember the Third Law of Physics

 For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The question is: What kind of Action could actually move a planet ? 

Actually, it's not just one action but quite a few added up.

 

Then you have to take into account the First Law of Physics:

An object in motion continues in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

Now the question becomes: What kind of Action could actually move a planet THAT'S ALREADY MOVING IN A SET PATH ?

 

Balls in your court.

Nate

P.S. Gonna be more questions so better bone up.

 

So which is which? I'm a little confused. 

[Casualbrain]

I think the observations depend on your orientation.  Do you know your orientation? https://www.iers.org/IERS/EN/DataProducts/EarthOrientationData/eop.html

 

[WidreMann]

13 hours ago, Casualbrain said:

I think the observations depend on your orientation.  Do you know your orientation? https://www.iers.org/IERS/EN/DataProducts/EarthOrientationData/eop.html

 

This is about changes in Earth's rotation, not distance from the sun. There are slight differences of both over time as we live in a complex dynamic universe. But not enough to make a big difference in anything relevant here. Also, if we were way off, things like the eclipse prediction wouldn't have worked out perfectly, as it did.

[Casualbrain]

Exactly - I was trying to get at that while the earth is dynamic in terms of axis, rotation, tilt and distance from the sun, it's not THAT dynamic.
The Barycentric distance between Earth and Sun is relatively constant/stable and well understood.
As are the Milankovitch Cycles https://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxfest/Milankovitch/earthorbit.html

I don't understand Nate's premise about the sun being 6 degrees off from what the Inuit say it should be - unless he's talking about oceanic warming due to magma flows, and things like Bárður's bulge and the recently re-discovered/uncovered volcanoes in Antarctica changing the shape of the crust.

If we've got big core magma redistribution/eruptions at the poles then it could certainly help cook us sooner than later, as well as slightly change earth orbit over time.

Interesting to think about.

Personally I worry more about the Ocean's ability to continue as a CO2 sink and increased Methane emission from melting permafrost creating cascading feedbacks.