bluewave Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Denver-DIA hit 81° today which is 34° above the normal high of 47°. This difference between the actual high & the normal high was the second largest ever recorded for Denver. The only larger difference occurred on Dec 5, 1939 when Denver was 35° above normal. #cowx 2:07 PM - 27 Nov 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, bluewave said: Denver-DIA hit 81° today which is 34° above the normal high of 47°. This difference between the actual high & the normal high was the second largest ever recorded for Denver. The only larger difference occurred on Dec 5, 1939 when Denver was 35° above normal. #cowx 2:07 PM - 27 Nov 2017 Remember when Dallas hit 95 earlier in November and they hadn't had a a temp of 90 or above in the entire month before that (and they had a heat wave, let alone just one 90 degree day in November!) How much was that temp above their normal high? And LA's 92 record on Thanksgiving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 34 minutes ago, Paragon said: Remember when Dallas hit 95 earlier in November and they hadn't had a a temp of 90 or above in the entire month before that (and they had a heat wave, let alone just one 90 degree day in November!) How much was that temp above their normal high? And LA's 92 record on Thanksgiving? The ridging out west has been ridiculous in recent years. There is a few new papers out on the topic. But most of them are behind a paywall. Remote Linkages to Anomalous Winter Atmospheric Ridging Over the Northeastern Pacific http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2017JD026575/full http://cpo.noaa.gov/News/News-Article/ArtMID/6226/ArticleID/1498/Scientists-link-California-droughts-and-floods-to-distinctive-atmospheric-waves The crippling wintertime droughts that struck California from 2013 to 2015, as well as this year's unusually wet California winter, appear to be associated with the same phenomenon: a distinctive wave pattern that emerges in the upper atmosphere and circles the globe. Scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) found in a recent study that the persistent high-pressure ridge off the west coast of North America that blocked storms from coming onshore during the winters of 2013-14 and 2014-15 was associated with the wave pattern, which they call wavenumber-5. Follow-up work showed that wavenumber-5 emerged again this winter but with its high- and low-pressure features in a different position, allowing drenching storms from the Pacific to make landfall. "This wave pattern is a global dynamic system that sometimes makes droughts or floods in California more likely to occur," said NCAR scientist Haiyan Teng, lead author of the California paper. "As we learn more, this may eventually open a new window to long-term predictability." The finding is part of an emerging body of research into the wave pattern that holds the promise of better understanding seasonal weather patterns in California and elsewhere. Another new paper, led by NCAR scientist Grant Branstator, examines the powerful wave pattern in more depth, analyzing the physical processes that help lead to its formation as well as its seasonal variations and how it varies in strength and location. The California study was published in the Journal of Climate while the comprehensive study into the wave patterns is appearing in the Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences. Both papers were funded by the National Science Foundation, which is NCAR's sponsor, as well as by the Department of Energy, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and NASA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 28 minutes ago, bluewave said: The ridging out west has been ridiculous in recent years. There is a few new papers out on the topic. But most of them are behind a paywall. Remote Linkages to Anomalous Winter Atmospheric Ridging Over the Northeastern Pacific http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2017JD026575/full http://cpo.noaa.gov/News/News-Article/ArtMID/6226/ArticleID/1498/Scientists-link-California-droughts-and-floods-to-distinctive-atmospheric-waves The crippling wintertime droughts that struck California from 2013 to 2015, as well as this year's unusually wet California winter, appear to be associated with the same phenomenon: a distinctive wave pattern that emerges in the upper atmosphere and circles the globe. Scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) found in a recent study that the persistent high-pressure ridge off the west coast of North America that blocked storms from coming onshore during the winters of 2013-14 and 2014-15 was associated with the wave pattern, which they call wavenumber-5. Follow-up work showed that wavenumber-5 emerged again this winter but with its high- and low-pressure features in a different position, allowing drenching storms from the Pacific to make landfall. "This wave pattern is a global dynamic system that sometimes makes droughts or floods in California more likely to occur," said NCAR scientist Haiyan Teng, lead author of the California paper. "As we learn more, this may eventually open a new window to long-term predictability." The finding is part of an emerging body of research into the wave pattern that holds the promise of better understanding seasonal weather patterns in California and elsewhere. Another new paper, led by NCAR scientist Grant Branstator, examines the powerful wave pattern in more depth, analyzing the physical processes that help lead to its formation as well as its seasonal variations and how it varies in strength and location. The California study was published in the Journal of Climate while the comprehensive study into the wave patterns is appearing in the Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences. Both papers were funded by the National Science Foundation, which is NCAR's sponsor, as well as by the Department of Energy, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and NASA. Thanks, I wonder if this will lead to a new index being used to account for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 9 hours ago, Paragon said: But you don't seem to like hot summers, and I love those, because I'm a big numbers guy and I enjoy watching the temps reach for 100, the same way I enjoy watching a 20 inch snowstorm lol. I love temperature extremes (both hot and cold) and precipitation extremes (rain, snow and even ice) and wind extremes. I was going to start a topic on this earlier, but I didn't know if anyone had the right answer for this- but where in the country is the best place to be to experience 20 inch snowstorms in the winter and 100 degree heat in the summer? Probably just away from the coast in New England. Lower elevation for heat but still access to big storms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just now, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Probably just away from the coast in New England. Lower elevation for heat but still access to big storms. Also good for tropical threats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Paragon said: Also good for tropical threats! Yeah not to inflate the egos of our friends to the north, that’s just a great weather spot in general. The same area I’m taking about also has decent severe. Think the Worcester Mass tornado 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 for some years the coldest temperature of the winter or the month came during the AO's lowest point of the season...some years had a snowstorm around the date...a few years didn't have either and are the exceptions...last year the ao went positive two days after the lowest point and a big thaw took over... season.......ao min.....date..... 1949-50......-2.854.....3/15/50......1.4" 3/14...record cold the beginning of the month... 1950-51......-4.353.....12/27/50....3" snow 12/27 and 9 degrees...the biggest snow and coldest temperature of the winter... 1951-52......-3.805.....3/4/1952....4" snow 3/2... 1952-53......-3.766.....12/27/52....12 degrees is the coldest temp. of the season...4" snow 12/31... 1953-54......-3.495.....1/30/54......cold continues...Cold snowy January... 1954-55......-3.064.....1/4/55........cold continues... 1955-56......-4.564.....2/15/56......1.4" 2/17 and 2/22...Big March snows..... 1956-57......-4.473.....2/21/57......2.6" snow 3/1... 1957-58......-4.030.....3/11/58......snow storms 3/14 and 3/21... 1958-59......-4.026.....1/7/59........cold continues... 1959-60......-4.108.....1/28/60......18 degrees 2/3 is the coldest temp for Feb...Big March cold and snow... 1960-61......-2.719.....1/10/61......greatest snowy and cold period followed 1/15-2/12... 1961-62......-4.417.....3/4/62........record cold 3/2 and the Ash Wednesday storm 3/6... 1962-63......-5.010.....1/21/63......Near record cold 1/23 and 4" snow 1/26...Biggest snow of the season... 1963-64......-4.470.....12/20/63....1.4" 12/18...6.6" 12/23-24...11 degrees 12/20 coldest for that month...January Blizzard... 1964-65......-3.973.....1/26/65......ice storm 1/24 and continued cold... 1965-66......-5.130.....1/28/66......8 degrees is the coldest temp. of the season 1/28...storm 7" on 1/30... 1966-67......-4.147.....12/13/66....wet snow and rain 12/13-14 is the start of two weeks of snow and cold...7" snow 12/24-25... 1967-68......-3.490.....2/7/68........8 degrees 2/11...Cold and dry continues... 1968-69......-5.282.....2/13/69......17 degrees 2/17 is the coldest temp for the month...15" of snow 2/9-10.... 1969-70......-6.365.....3/5/70........20 degrees 3/10 coldest temp for the month...4" of snow 3/29... 1970-71......-2.821.....2/6/71........12 degrees max 2/2... 1972-73......-2.044.....12/17/72...24 degrees max 12/17... 1973-74......-2.792.....12/19/73...big ice storm 12/16-17...17 degrees 12/19 is the coldest temp of the month... 1974-75......-1.695.....12/18/74...some minor cold in a mild month...one of the few times the weather was benign at the ao minimum... 1975-76......-3.262.....1/24/76......-1 degrees 1/23 is the coldest temp of the winter...1" of snow 1/23... 1976-77......-7.433.....1/15/77......-2 degrees on the 17th is the coldest temp of the winter...5" snow 1/14-15... 1977-78......-5.291.....2/5/78........10 degrees 2/5 is the coldest temperature of the season...18" snow 2/6-7... 1978-79......-4.387.....1/25/79......Very cold and snowy February.... 1979-80......-3.705.....1/24/80......continued cold and dry...longest stretch of cold that winter... 1980-81......-4.318.....3/4/81........largest snowfall for the winter...8.6" 3/5... 1981-82......-3.804.....12/30/81...January 1982 was very cold and snowy... 1982-83......-3.410.....2/6/83........4" of snow 2/6 and 18" 2/11-12... 1983-84......-3.706.....3/13/84......record cold 3/10...7" snow 3/8-9... 1984-85......-6.226.....1/19/85.....-2 degrees 1/21 is the coldest temperature that winter... 1985-86......-3.894......2/6/86.......4.5" of snow 2/7 and 2/11...Snowiest period of the winter... 1986-87......-3.507.....3/9/87........2" snow 3/12...Near record cold 3/10... 1987-88......-2.314.....2/28/88......0.6" 2/27 is the last measurable snow...Thawing after... 1988-89......-0.318.....3/4/89........2.5" 3/6 and near record cold 3/7... 1989-90......-3.482.....12/10/89...One of the coldest Decembers on record... 1990-91......-3.381.....3/9/91.......24 degrees 3/12...benign after that... 1991-92......-2.597.....12/4/91.....0.7" 12/5...benign after that... 1992-93......-2.228.....3/2/93.......Super storm 3/13...Near record cold followed... 1993-94......-3.503.....2/24/94.....2.6" 2/23...12 degrees 2/27.... 1994-95......-3.116.....3/9/95.......20 degrees 3/10 is the coldest temp for the month.... 1995-96......-4.353.....12/19/95...8" of snow during a very cold period...January blizzard. 1996-97......-3.377.....12/30/96...11 degrees New Years Day.... 1997-98......-4.269.....1/10/98.....14 degrees New Years day...Coldest of the winter... 1998-99......-3.856.....3/10/99......5" snow 3/14-15...17 degrees 3/8 is the coldest temp for the month... 1999-00......-2.118.....2/18/00......3" snow and ice 2/22.. 2000-01......-4.854.....2/25/01......6" snow 2/22 and 17 degrees...coldest for the month... 2001-02......-3.293.....12/28/01...Coldest period of the winter followed but benign... 2002-03......-3.575.....1/22/03......7 degrees 1/24 is the coldest for the winter... 2003-04......-4.387.....1/17/04......1 degree 1/16 is the coldest temp of the season...6" of snow 1/15...Dec. 2004-05......-4.337.....2/26/05......6" of snow 2/25 and 8" 2/29... 2005-06......-3.569.....12/5/05......2" snow 12/4...1" 2/6 and 6" 12/9...14 degrees 12/14 is the coldest temp of the season... 2006-07......-2.184.....2/4/07........8 degrees 2/5 is the coldest for the winter... 2007-08......-2.468.....1/2/08........12 degrees 1/3 second coldest of the winter... 2008-09......-3.178.....2/3/09........4.3" 2/5 12 degrees... 2009-10......-5.821.....12/21/09...11" snow 12/19-20....16 degrees 12/18 is the coldest for the month... 2010-11......-5.172.....12/18/10...20" of snow 12/26-27...23 max on 12/14.. 2011-12......-3.451.....01/28/12...4.3" of snow 1/21...Biggest of the season... 2012-13......-5.688.....03/20/13...3.0" of snow 3/18 and continued cold... 2013-14......-2.605.....01/27/14...5 degrees 1/22...11" of snow 1/21...21 max 1/28... 2014-15......-1.462.....03/19/15...4.5" of snow March 20th... 2015-16......-4.898.....01/16/16...first measurable snow 1/17...27" blizzard 1/23... 2016-17......-2.228.....02/14/17...9.4" of snow 2/9...biggest of the season... 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forkyfork Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 i'm not a "look at the pretty light snow" kind of person. ku's or torch 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 CFS had one good 6BN 'Next 45 Days' run a few days ago, but its been AN since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 20 hours ago, forkyfork said: i'm not a "look at the pretty light snow" kind of person. ku's or torch I'm not a cold and dry kind of guy- that's a killer on heating bills with no joy. Give me snow and teens/20s, or give me 60-70 degrees with sunshine in the winter! Actually, if it's not snowing, today is perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 i'm already sick of "carol of the bells" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, forkyfork said: i'm already sick of "carol of the bells" "She's" probably not to thrilled with you either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 You would think with all the sexual harassment stuff going on that baby it's cold outside would be banned by now. Plus it's just a stupid song that has nothing to do with Christmas anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Paragon said: I'm not a cold and dry kind of guy- that's a killer on heating bills with no joy. Give me snow and teens/20s, or give me 60-70 degrees with sunshine in the winter! Actually, if it's not snowing, today is perfect! That 65 degree Xmas Eve a few years ago was wonderful. Mountain biking in shorts and t-shirts that night was something I'll never forget. There was a whole bunch of riders out hootin' and hollerin' and just having a big old time like it was mid summer. I wouldn't mind another one like that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Hey @IrishRob17, it's almost time to start our annual initiative educating people about the earliest sunsets being in early Dec. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 41 minutes ago, Juliancolton said: Hey @IrishRob17, it's almost time to start our annual initiative educating people about the earliest sunsets being in early Dec. I am always shocked when I see the sunset is before 4:30 and it's still November! It happens every year and yet I forget it every year until it actually happens lol. Today's sunset was 4:28 PM here. Late fall/winter sunsets and sunrises seem to be the most colorful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Juliancolton said: Hey @IrishRob17, it's almost time to start our annual initiative educating people about the earliest sunsets being in early Dec. LOL, I was just calculating in my head yesterday how many days until the sunset starts getting later again. I like to think that we’ve educated some folks over the years but the job isn’t done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalland Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Paragon said: I am always shocked when I see the sunset is before 4:30 and it's still November! It happens every year and yet I forget it every year until it actually happens lol. Today's sunset was 4:28 PM here. Late fall/winter sunsets and sunrises seem to be the most colorful too. Yeah, yesterday I saw the sunrise and the clouds made much of the eastern sky orange/yellow! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 CFS looks like horror show right now for Jan. We have to hope this is wrong as usual. Based on 850mb. T: Days 1-10 mostly BN Days 11-27 exclusively AN Days 28-31 BN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowshack Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, CIK62 said: CFS looks like horror show right now for Jan. We have to hope this is wrong as usual. Based on 850mb. T: Days 1-10 mostly BN Days 11-27 exclusively AN Days 28-31 BN BN D, J, and F is just too much to ask for! For now I'll take December evolving as modeled and no one mountain biking in shorts at Christmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Snowshack said: BN D, J, and F is just too much to ask for! For now I'll take December evolving as modeled and no one mountain biking in shorts at Christmas. Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 5 hours ago, CIK62 said: CFS looks like horror show right now for Jan. We have to hope this is wrong as usual. Based on 850mb. T: Days 1-10 mostly BN Days 11-27 exclusively AN Days 28-31 BN The CFS is a complete joke and should be disbanded immediately, it bit the bullet on November and the model, not the weather will burn in flames next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rjay Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 @CIK62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlsterCountySnowZ Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4.4 quake just hit NE of Delaware, Dover edit: upgraded to 5.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yep I felt my house shake a little while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 nothing here, maybe i was lost in cod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I felt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Working in midtown. Felt nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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