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Interior NW Burbs & Hudson Valley Second Half 2018

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By snywx,
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4 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

Wait, you’ve seen this in person at his house?  There are certainly times they to bring in the big street vac.  That said, we have a lot of gullies up here and some times the blockages are dirt, twigs, leaves, etc that covers the drain opening itself. That’s what I would clean. 

Yes, i work for the DPW in his Town. Yea, one can clear debris from the front of the drain, of course. Here we have massive drains that feed the neighborhood sump, so they cant get clogged from the street level, they just slowly fill up with leaves and dirt reducing the capacity of the sub-surface dry well itself, and of course clogging the pipe to the sump (which feeds from the drywell)

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2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

The debate over how much taxes are paid aside, do these storm drains need heavy equipment to be cleared out or could folks help themselves if they took a few minutes to clean them themselves?  When I lived in a house that had a storm drain in front of it I kept it clear year round because I knew it would flood my neighbors if it was blocked. The town would get to it eventually but it only took me a minute or two. Same goes for shoveling fire hydrants out after a good snowstorm. 

The obvious part of two of the drains were cleaned this spring but they didn't snake between them and down the hill to the outlet so it backs up and overflows all over the place. They used to snake it and blow it out but it was a big procedure because the outlet is about 400 feet away and ~50 down the hill so they haven't done it in a few years. There's also some debate about how it drains into a creek that's part of the NYC watershed.

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5 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

The obvious part of two of the drains were cleaned this spring but they didn't snake between them and down the hill to the outlet so it backs up and overflows all over the place. They used to snake it and blow it out but it was a big procedure because the outlet is about 400 feet away and ~50 down the hill so they haven't done it in a few years. There's also some debate about how it drains into a creek that's part of the NYC watershed.

This might be a bigger issue in your case that some may realize.  Storm water runoff has become a bigger focus area in recent years, it’s been a bigger debate in my office. That said, it could also just be poor maintenance that you mentioned, that’s my guess.  I should note too that the FHWA makes funds eligible for road surface improvements but not for what’s under the roads, like water, sewer, and storm pipes. This is becoming a bigger and bigger issue in general each year. 

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Yeah after the March and May storms that brought down so many trees around here as people were cutting them out and cleaning up they got fined and penalized for doing too much and opening up the potential for too much sunlight to get through to the water and potentially raising the water temperature. Sometimes there really wasn't much choice because it was so tangled up. Apparently they were supposed to leave the mess in their yards because it was within 100 feet of the water course. F that...

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Yeah yeah copy and paste... 

Closest local mesonet site has .75" for last night but the 3 closest WU sites all have well over 1", they are between 1.3 and 1.48". I know it rained steadily for several hours with a few embedded heavier periods but I am surprised to see it so far above 1". Unfortunately KDXR didn't report any rain at all but does have ~5-6 hours of rain in their observations so that station is useless (again). 

I'm really looking forward to things drying out here over the next week or so :) 

 

Another fun episode of microclimates doing their thing and this range of higher hills that I'm in squeezing out every last drop.

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50 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

Yeah yeah copy and paste... 

Closest local mesonet site has .75" for last night but the 3 closest WU sites all have well over 1", they are between 1.3 and 1.48". I know it rained steadily for several hours with a few embedded heavier periods but I am surprised to see it so far above 1". Unfortunately KDXR didn't report any rain at all but does have ~5-6 hours of rain in their observations so that station is useless (again). 

I'm really looking forward to things drying out here over the next week or so :) 

 

Another fun episode of microclimates doing their thing and this range of higher hills that I'm in squeezing out every last drop.

I think I saw .76" on my Davis this morning before heading out.

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9 minutes ago, Juliancolton said:

Every year around this time, some maples near roads and lakeshores start turning orange and I always blame it on stress from a lack of rainfall. Well, this year they're still changing so I guess that theory wasn't such a winner. Maybe even more color than usual for late August.

Yea same here, some maples turning and i always assumed that it was due to lack of rain. Apparently not.

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My white birch has dropped just about all it’s leaves, that isn’t from lack of rain either. It’s still a relative young tree and I see the leaves on the young sugar maple and red maple I have have taken on that leathery look except for the areas of new growth, which is from the rain fall. The mature sugar maples are still in their summer green. 

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I've always wondered why some trees turn early and others don't. Sometimes there can be two of the same species just a few feet apart and they will react completely differently. Another thing I'm seeing this year that's really disturbing is a very high number of standing dead trees, some really large ones too. I don't know what type of trees they are but something leads me to think Ash and it's the emerald ash borer damage I've been hearing so much about.

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13 hours ago, gravitylover said:

I've always wondered why some trees turn early and others don't. Sometimes there can be two of the same species just a few feet apart and they will react completely differently. Another thing I'm seeing this year that's really disturbing is a very high number of standing dead trees, some really large ones too. I don't know what type of trees they are but something leads me to think Ash and it's the emerald ash borer damage I've been hearing so much about.

I have woods adjacent to my back yard where all the ash trees died in the last 3-4 years.  8 trees.

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On 8/25/2018 at 9:03 AM, gravitylover said:

I've always wondered why some trees turn early and others don't. Sometimes there can be two of the same species just a few feet apart and they will react completely differently. Another thing I'm seeing this year that's really disturbing is a very high number of standing dead trees, some really large ones too. I don't know what type of trees they are but something leads me to think Ash and it's the emerald ash borer damage I've been hearing so much about.

It seems like endemic forests are pretty much screwed with the ash borer, blights, swallow-wort and bittersweet, etc. A lot of areas are just getting totally suffocated by invasive vines from the far east.

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23 hours ago, Juliancolton said:

It seems like endemic forests are pretty much screwed with the ash borer, blights, swallow-wort and bittersweet, etc. A lot of areas are just getting totally suffocated by invasive vines from the far east.

I spend a fair amount of time in the woods in the area since I bike and what I’ve noticed is the lack of an under story.  There isnt anything under 6 feet.  I assume that is the result of the overpopulation of deer.  They just denude the vegetation they can reach.  The trees are in fair shape and I haven’t really seen the vine problem so much.  The ash are being replaced by maple for the most part and there’s a smattering of others, in addition to the oaks.  

Im up in vt right now, and it seems the density of the trees is similar but there is a much greater density of low level growth.

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46 minutes ago, Hitman said:

I spend a fair amount of time in the woods in the area since I bike and what I’ve noticed is the lack of an under story.  There isnt anything under 6 feet.  I assume that is the result of the overpopulation of deer.  They just denude the vegetation they can reach.  The trees are in fair shape and I haven’t really seen the vine problem so much.  The ash are being replaced by maple for the most part and there’s a smattering of others, in addition to the oaks.  

Im up in vt right now, and it seems the density of the trees is similar but there is a much greater density of low level growth.

I think central Dutchess has it worse with the vines than many other places. The town of Lagrange has spent a lot on initiatives to stave off the mile-a-minute vine, and the problem is just getting worse as far as I can tell. It does vary a lot though. At least there could be worse things than mountain laurel to dominate the understory as the deer get out of control.

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On 8/26/2018 at 10:17 PM, Juliancolton said:

It seems like endemic forests are pretty much screwed with the ash borer, blights, swallow-wort and bittersweet, etc. A lot of areas are just getting totally suffocated by invasive vines from the far east.

I just did a quick round trip to Toronto and back and in some areas the hardwood forest is nearly gone. Around the Niagara river above the falls it's the worst with it looking like late fall because the trees are all bare and dead. In most areas it looks like other species are filling the gaps but the diversity is taking a hit.

On 8/27/2018 at 10:36 PM, Juliancolton said:

I think central Dutchess has it worse with the vines than many other places. The town of Lagrange has spent a lot on initiatives to stave off the mile-a-minute vine, and the problem is just getting worse as far as I can tell. It does vary a lot though. At least there could be worse things than mountain laurel to dominate the understory as the deer get out of control.

Westchester is terribly overrun with creeper and other vines in some areas and much less so in others. As you go further north it's less spotty until it levels out around northern Dutchess/southern Columbia. 

 

@Hitman , we should meet for a ride sometime. My hand is still buggered up from a wreck downhilling at the end of July but it's slowly getting better so I'll get out riding more next month.

 

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13 hours ago, gravitylover said:

I just did a quick round trip to Toronto and back and in some areas the hardwood forest is nearly gone. Around the Niagara river above the falls it's the worst with it looking like late fall because the trees are all bare and dead. In most areas it looks like other species are filling the gaps but the diversity is taking a hit.

Westchester is terribly overrun with creeper and other vines in some areas and much less so in others. As you go further north it's less spotty until it levels out around northern Dutchess/southern Columbia. 

 

@Hitman , we should meet for a ride sometime. My hand is still buggered up from a wreck downhilling at the end of July but it's slowly getting better so I'll get out riding more next month.

 

I live like a mile from blue so I’m usually riding there at least once a week.  Also been going up to Stewart a bit lately.  Fun easy trails.  Always looking for riders.  Pm me whenever u want to ride.

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13 minutes ago, Hitman said:

I live like a mile from blue so I’m usually riding there at least once a week.  Also been going up to Stewart a bit lately.  Fun easy trails.  Always looking for riders.  Pm me whenever u want to ride.

That means you're also close to Yorktown. I've done my time at Blue and can take it or leave it, if you want a tour of Y'town that's my spot. It's fun stuff. I also do a fair bit of riding further north on both the east and west sides of Putnam that most people don't ever see. Soon enough the hand ought to be back up to speed :fingerscrossed: and I'll be back at it.

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10 hours ago, gravitylover said:

That means you're also close to Yorktown. I've done my time at Blue and can take it or leave it, if you want a tour of Y'town that's my spot. It's fun stuff. I also do a fair bit of riding further north on both the east and west sides of Putnam that most people don't ever see. Soon enough the hand ought to be back up to speed :fingerscrossed: and I'll be back at it.

I’m by the south western part of blue just north of croton.  But I’d love to ride the Yorktown trails with you.  Let me know when you’re back to riding.  

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