uncle W Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 December snow depth in NYC every three days starting Dec. 1st... ..............................December.................... year....01 04 07 10 13 16 19 22 25 28 31 51-52....0...0...0...0...0...2...1...0...0...0...0..... 52-53....T...2...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...3.... 53-54....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0.... 54-55....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0...0...0..... 55-56....0...0...0...0...0...0...T...3...T...0...T.... 56-57....0...0...0...T...0...0...0...0...0...0...T..... 57-58....0...8...1...0...1...T...0...0...0...0...0..... 58-59....0...0...0...2...1...1...T...0...0...0...0..... 59-60....0...0...T...0...0...0...0.14...4...T...0..... 60-61....0...0...0...0.15.10...7...2...1...T...T..... 61-62....0...0...0...1...0...0...0...0...6...3...1..... 62-63....0...0...T...1...T...T...0...3...T....0...0..... 63-64....0...0...0...0...T...T...1...T...6...5...2..... 64-65....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...1...0...0...0..... 65-66....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0..... 66-67....0...0...0...0...T...0...0...T...7...5...T..... 67-68....3...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...1...3..... 68-69....0...0...0...0...0...5...1...T...0...2...0..... 69-70....T...0...T...0...0...0...T...0...2...4...2..... 70-71....0...0...0...0...0...T...0...2...T...0...0..... 71-72....0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0...0...0...T..... 72-73....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 73-74....0...0...0...0...0...2...3...T...0...0...0..... 74-75....0...0...0...T...0...0...T...0...T...0...0..... 75-76....0...0...0...0...0...0...T...2...1...0...0..... 76-77....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...2..... 77-78....0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0...0...0...0..... 78-79....0...0...T...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 79-80....0...0...0...0...0...0...3...T...0...0...0..... 80-81....0...0...0...0...0...T...0...0...T...T...0.... 81-82....0...0...0...T...0...T...0...T...0...0...0..... 82-83....0...0...0...0...3...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 83-84....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...1...T...0.... 84-85....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...2...0..... 85-86....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0...T...0.... 86-87....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 87-88....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...2..... 88-89....0...0...0...0...T...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 89-90....0...T...0...0...T...1...T...0...0...T...T.... 90-91....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...7...0..... 91-92....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 92-93....0...0...0...0...0...T...0...0...T...0...0..... 93-94....0...0...0...0...2...0...0...0...T...0...4..... 94-95....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 95-96....1...0...0...T...0...1...5...7...3...2...1..... 96-97....0...0...T...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 97-98....0...0...0...T...0...0...0...T...0...0...0..... 98-99....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...1...0...T..... 99-00....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0...T...0..... 00-01....0...0...0...0...0...0...T...T...0...0.12..... 01-02....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 02-03....0...0...5...1...0...0...0...0...5...2...0..... 03-04....0...0.13...6...T...T...0...0...0...0...0..... 04-05....0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0...0...2...0..... 05-06....0...2...1...6...3...T...0...0...0...0...T..... 06-07....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 07-08....0...0...T...0...T...1...0...0...0...0...T... 08-09....0...0...0...0...0...1...4...3...0...0...T.... 09-10....0...0...0...0...0...0...9...7...2...0...1..... 10-11....0...0...0...0...T...0...0...0...0.18.13..... 11-12....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0.... 12-13....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...T...0...0...0..... 13-14....0...0...0...1...0...3...3...0...0...0...T.... 14-15....0...0...0...1...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 15-16....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... 16-17....0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0...0..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Very rare beach dust devil in Long Beach yesterday. In all my time there, never got to see one of these. Social media and smartphones are doing a great job of catching events you would never hear of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 My memory may not be what it should but I remember seeing quite a few growing up. I spent 3-5 days a week on the beach in either Belle Harbor or Lido for 15 years and can remember at least a couple a year. Nothing big or dangerous but numerous enough that I didn't think of them as being especially rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 1 hour ago, gravitylover said: My memory may not be what it should but I remember seeing quite a few growing up. I spent 3-5 days a week on the beach in either Belle Harbor or Lido for 15 years and can remember at least a couple a year. Nothing big or dangerous but numerous enough that I didn't think of them as being especially rare. 20 years life guarding at jones beach and I agree they arent that rare. They are generally smaller though. I have seen a few that size. We had one at jones yesterday as well. Our beach is super wide with at least five times the width of the beach in Long Beach. I would think that greatly increases their likelihood. The biggest I saw had to have winds of 60-70mph and even impaled a women with an umbrella. (She sued and NY state and won 100k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 On 8/13/2017 at 4:49 PM, bluewave said: It has a very +PDO (NDJ) look to it with a deep Aleutian Low and downstream ridge over Western NOAM across the top to Western Greenland. Now whether it has a clue is another story that will have to wait until then. A very front-loaded winter look with a mild Feb after a colder start. Sounds like 1960-61? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 13 hours ago, Isotherm said: 2005 had a nice 2 week stretch the first half of December, 2002 was also one of the best Decembers in my memory with a SECS on the 5th and a snowy Christmas night. 2000 was a good front loaded winter with the MECs during the holiday week and cold January. IIRC, while not a great winter, 98-99 featured some snow around Christmas. Edit - yes, 2 to 4" event through NJ on the 23rd-24th of 1998. Not sure what NYC recorded. NYC had 5" from that event in March 1998, if it wasn't for that, NYC would have had their least snowiest season on record, since they had only 0.5" before that. Philly only had a T for the entire season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 17 hours ago, BxEngine said: 14 years ago today the lights went out That was also the hottest day of a pretty mild winter, I believe the high was 95. The lights went out here around 4:30 PM that Friday afternoon and stayed out all night, and it was a very warm, calm night. It was the longest black out I'd experienced until the Sandy blackout, which lasted for 25 hours here and was a much colder black out...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 10 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: 20 years life guarding at jones beach and I agree they arent that rare. They are generally smaller though. I have seen a few that size. We had one at jones yesterday as well. Our beach is super wide with at least five times the width of the beach in Long Beach. I would think that greatly increases their likelihood. The biggest I saw had to have winds of 60-70mph and even impaled a women with an umbrella. (She sued and NY state and won 100k) You must have been lucky since I grew up at the beach and boardwalk and never saw one in person. The one in France recently made all the news broadcasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 5 hours ago, Paragon said: Sounds like 1960-61? The only thing I know about the 2010's winters are that there haven't really been any past analogs since the patterns have been so different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 2003-04 was a front loaded winter...It did have a late season snowfall in March after a benign February...front loaded should not include February...by mid February 1961 the pattern changed and it had a three week thaw until March 10th...by then it was to late for any more blizzards on the coast...1987-88 was front loaded in the city...most of the snow fell in Dec and Jan...1970-71 was front loaded in the city...inland was a different story...2010-11 should be considered front loaded...most of the snow fell in Dec-Jan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, uncle W said: 2003-04 was a front loaded winter...It did have a late season snowfall in March after a benign February...front loaded should not include February...by mid February 1961 the pattern changed and it had a three week thaw until March 10th...by then it was to late for any more blizzards on the coast...1987-88 was front loaded in the city...most of the snow fell in Dec and Jan...1970-71 was front loaded in the city...inland was a different story...2010-11 should be considered front loaded...most of the snow fell in Dec-Jan... The 2015-2016 and 2010-2011 were my favorite winters of the 2010's so far. 2016 for the historic January blizzard and first 0 since 1994. 2010-2011 for the greatest 3 snowstorms in a row in around a month. Here are my favorite winters 2015-2016 2010-2011 2002-2003 1995-1996 1993-1994 1982-1983 1981-1982 for April blizzard even though it was in spring 1977-1978 1976-1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 1 minute ago, bluewave said: The 2015-2016 and 2010-2011 were my favorite winters of the 2010's so far. 2016 for the historic January blizzard and first 0 since 1994. 2010-2011 for the greatest 3 snowstorms in a row. Here are my favorite winters 2015-2016 2010-2011 2002-2003 1995-1996 1993-1994 1982-1983 1981-1982 1977-1978 1976-1977 we had so many great winters lately it's hard to pick a favorite...my first memories of big snows came when I was in the 1st grade in March 56...three big snows when I was in the third grade in 1958...between the fifth and sixth grades NYC got four blizzards and a major hurricane from March 60 to Feb. 61...1963-64, 1966-67 and 1968-69 are on my list of favorites... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just now, uncle W said: we had so many great winters lately it's hard to pick a favorite...my first memories of big snows came when I was in the 1st grade in March 56...three big snows when I was in the third grade in 1958...between the fifth and sixth grades NYC got four blizzards and a major hurricane from March 60 to Feb. 61...1963-64, 1966-67 and 1968-69 are on my list of favorites... My first big snow memory was 1-20-78. The weather forecast was for rain heavy at times and I picked up a surprise 12-15". My honorable mentions 14-15 for all the cold and ice on the local waterways in February 00-01 for the ending of the 3 year snow drought 86-87 for the surprise January snowstorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 On 8/14/2017 at 1:37 PM, bluewave said: 2005-2006 still had the best snowstorm of the winter in February with the second heaviest NYC snow on record. We had a front and back winter that year with record warmth in January. 2000-2001 got off to a great start with the 3 year snow drought buster right before New Year's. But winter continued right into March with the big snowstorm that hit Long Island. Another older front-loaded winter example was 80-81. That was our last below zero reading in December followed by a very cold January and record warm February. The euro seasonal reminded me of the 76 z500 progression to a certain extent. Big cold from Nov-Jan, then winter dies thereafter. I guess one could call 76 a front end winter since it was very Dec/Jan weighted in terms of cold. The AMO has been hampering cold December prospects as well as the unpropitious NAO signal, a multifactorial issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, Isotherm said: The euro seasonal reminded me of the 76 z500 progression to a certain extent. Big cold from Nov-Jan, then winter dies thereafter. I guess one could call 76 a front end winter since it was very Dec/Jan weighted in terms of cold. The AMO has been hampering cold December prospects as well as the unpropitious NAO signal, a multifactorial issue. Yeah, the Euro seasonal forecast for December would be a departure from recent years. The 2000's December pattern reversal after 2010 has been one of the more extreme weather/climate events of the 2000's so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Don't worry. CANSIPS has every month for the next 12 months above normal, except somehow it knows Feb. will be below normal! It takes all kinds. The CANSIPS prediction would give us about 36 AN months out of a total of 39 months, by next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 10/11 was on pace to smash 95/96 until the snow machine just stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, forkyfork said: 10/11 was on pace to smash 95/96 until the snow machine just stopped You just knew we were never going to get that great pattern back again. 95-96 was great because we went back and forth, in 10-11 it was just consistently cold and stormy (with near-record snowpacks.) When a pattern stays the same for a long time and then it flips, it usually doesn't come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Isotherm said: The euro seasonal reminded me of the 76 z500 progression to a certain extent. Big cold from Nov-Jan, then winter dies thereafter. I guess one could call 76 a front end winter since it was very Dec/Jan weighted in terms of cold. The AMO has been hampering cold December prospects as well as the unpropitious NAO signal, a multifactorial issue. On the other hand, even though it hasn't been a great pattern for cold, it's been a wonderful pattern for big snows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, forkyfork said: 10/11 was on pace to smash 95/96 until the snow machine just stopped the nao went positive after January 28th, 2011...the ao also after both were mostly negative from the start...1960-61 had a negative ao until the end of January...1995-96 had a negative ao most of the winter...the nao was mostly negative the first half of 95-96 and spotty negative there after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Seems like Harvey will not get much passed 60W once it forms, after showing some potential as a threat here, on early runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 2011 was the first time since 1978 that any of our major stations had over 50" in just 33 days. Newark was the only 60"+ in 33 days that I know of. Greatest 33 day snow totals EWR...61.5"...2011 NYC....56"......2011 ISP.....53"......1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 there has been a marked increase of major snow storms with near 20" around the city...Long Island probably has more...2009, 2013 and 2015 in spots? NYC area... 2016...Jan...27.5" in Central Park... 2011...Jan...? 2010...Dec...20.0" in Central Park... 2010...Feb...20.9" in Central Park... 2006...Feb...26.9" in Central Park... 2003...Feb...19.8" in Central Park... 1996...Jan...20.2" in Central Park... 1983...Feb...20" in JFK... 1978...Feb...Newark??? 1969...Feb...22.0" in JFK... 1961...Feb...21" in Brooklyn... 1960...Dec...20" in Newark... 1948...Dec...19.3" in Battery Park... 1947...Dec...26" in Central Park... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, uncle W said: there has been a marked increase of major snow storms with near 20" around the city...Long Island probably has more...2009, 2013 and 2015 in spots? NYC area... 2016...Jan...27.5" in Central Park... 2011...Jan...? 2010...Dec...20.0" in Central Park... 2010...Feb...20.9" in Central Park... 2006...Feb...26.9" in Central Park... 2003...Feb...19.8" in Central Park... 1996...Jan...20.2" in Central Park... 1983...Feb...20" in JFK... 1978...Feb...Newark??? 1969...Feb...22.0" in JFK... 1961...Feb...21" in Brooklyn... 1960...Dec...20" in Newark... 1948...Dec...19.3" in Battery Park... 1947...Dec...26" in Central Park... 2011 on Jan 27 I had 20" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, dmillz25 said: 2011 on Jan 27 I had 20" thanks for the info...the Bronx must have gotten 20" also...I had 23" for the blizzard of 96 when I lived in Brooklyn...the most snow on the ground for Brooklyn since 1947 is 28" on 2/4/1961...Ave V and 86th Street had nearly 30" for the Dec. 1947 storm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 8/14/2017 at 8:39 AM, BxEngine said: 14 years ago today the lights went out 21 hours without power here 15 hours ago, forkyfork said: 10/11 was on pace to smash 95/96 until the snow machine just stopped NYC could have easily broken the record if the pattern didn't change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, uncle W said: thanks for the info...the Bronx must have gotten 20" also...I had 23" for the blizzard of 96 when I lived in Brooklyn...the most snow on the ground for Brooklyn since 1947 is 28" on 2/4/1961...Ave V and 86th Street had nearly 30" for the Dec. 1947 storm... Yeah I think the park got 19" so it wouldn't make the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 2010-11 was a head of 1995-96 as late as Feb. 16th... record seasonal snowfall most and least for each date... 10/10/1979/1925...trace... 10/13/1979/1925/1937...trace... 10/15/1876.....0.5" 10/20/1952/1876...0.5" 10/29/2011.....2.9" 11/07/2012.....4.3" 11/08/2012.....4.7" 11/25/1938.....8.8" 11/26/1938.....9.3" 11/27/1898...13.0" 11/30/1898...19.0" 12/12/1898...19.5" 12/14/2003...19.8" 12/20/1948...21.3" 12/25/1883...22.0" 12/26/1947...29.3" 12/31/1872...30.5" 01/07/1948...32.9" 01/13/1948...33.3" 01/14/1948...35.1" 01/18/1948...37.8" 01/21/1948...39.4" 01/26/2011...49.4" 01/27/2011...56.1" 02/01/2011...57.2" 02/16/1996...60.9" 02/17/1996...61.7" 03/02/1996...66.3" 03/08/1996...70.8" 03/28/1996...71.1" 03/29/1996...74.9" 04/09/1996...75.2" 04/10/1996...75.6" 04/30/1996...75.6" ........................................ least... 1/09/2007.....0 1/10/2016/2007/2000/1973/1966.. trace 1/17/2007/2000/1973/1966...trace 1/19/2000/73/66...trace 1/20/1973.....trace 1/28/1973.....trace 1/29/1994.....0.2" 2/04/1998.....0.5" 3/22/1919.....2.4" 3/28/1973.....2.8" to end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Three suspicious areas in the tropics are knocking each other out! A week from now all three are gone by TKO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 On 8/16/2017 at 9:47 AM, uncle W said: thanks for the info...the Bronx must have gotten 20" also...I had 23" for the blizzard of 96 when I lived in Brooklyn...the most snow on the ground for Brooklyn since 1947 is 28" on 2/4/1961...Ave V and 86th Street had nearly 30" for the Dec. 1947 storm... 30" here for the January 2016 storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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