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June 2017 Discussion


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22 minutes ago, Powerball said:

lol.

Meanwhile, made it to 80*F here in the valley.

It was 78 in Lansing, so I don't know what Jonger is talking about.

 

24 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Pretty decent t'storm popped up overhead.

Fairly frequent lightning with it.

Yeah been watching that from here, pretty spectacular lightning.

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47 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

It's no surprise. It has been several years now since I have pointed out DTW always being a warm spot in the region during afternoons (especially in summer) often behind only YIP.

While I understand what you're getting at, today's high DTW wasn't much different from the surrounding areas (DET made it to 79°F as well)

If anything, modeled highs and DTX's expectations were too low, between the downsloping and cloud cover being less extensive than projected.

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29 minutes ago, Powerball said:

While I understand what you're getting at, today's high DTW wasn't much different from the surrounding areas (DET made it to 79°F as well)

If anything, modeled highs and DTX's expectations were too low, between the downsloping and cloud cover being less extensive than projected.

DET's high was 77.

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2 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

It's no surprise. It has been several years now since I have pointed out DTW always being a warm spot in the region during afternoons (especially in summer) often behind only YIP.

Yeah and it is also the furthest south main observing site in the area, so it makes complete sense why it would be warmer than most.

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10 hours ago, Stebo said:

Yeah and it is also the furthest south main observing site in the area, so it makes complete sense why it would be warmer than most.

I'm referring to all of SE MI not just the 3 first order sites. DTW is often warmer than Monroe and Toledo (TOL is a first order station as well). I have studied 140 years of climate data for the region. DTW has been official since 1966, and the disparity between there and numerous other stations in the immediate metro area and very close was never there before. And DTW is still a semi rural area. I drive by the south end of DTW 10 times a week and it is always colder. It does not matter rain, snow, sun, gray, winter, summer, etc. ALWAYS. Idk if the thermometer used to be there or not before it was moved further north on the property. And I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the thermometer at DTW. Just stating facts. DET was always a good 2 degrees warmer, now always 1-1.5 degrees colder (talking monthly mean temps). I understand downsloping and I understand east winds. But I'm sure these things existed decades ago too. The May 2017 climate summary for SEMI has 48 sites listed. Of those 48, just ONE had a higher mean temp than DTW. And it was, surprise surprise, YIP. And 16 of those 48 sites were in the bottom 2 counties. In fact most Lenawee and Monroe sites were 1.5 to 2.5 degrees colder than DTW to the north. 

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7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

I'm referring to all of SE MI not just the 3 first order sites. DTW is often warmer than Monroe and Toledo (TOL is a first order station as well). I have studied 140 years of climate data for the region. DTW has been official since 1966, and the disparity between there and numerous other stations in the immediate metro area and very close was never there before. And DTW is still a semi rural area. I drive by the south end of DTW 10 times a week and it is always colder. It does not matter rain, snow, sun, gray, winter, summer, etc. ALWAYS. Idk if the thermometer used to be there or not before it was moved further north on the property. And I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the thermometer at DTW. Just stating facts. DET was always a good 2 degrees warmer, now always 1-1.5 degrees colder (talking monthly mean temps). I understand downsloping and I understand east winds. But I'm sure these things existed decades ago too. The May 2017 climate summary for SEMI has 48 sites listed. Of those 48, just ONE had a higher mean temp than DTW. And it was, surprise surprise, YIP. And 16 of those 48 sites were in the bottom 2 counties. In fact most Lenawee and Monroe sites were 1.5 to 2.5 degrees colder than DTW to the north. 

Monroe is on the water, and DTW actually closely matches YIP which is 7 miles away. DET is also close to the water comparatively to DTW. I don't know why this is such a big deal that DTW is warmer but we have this discussion every year it seems.

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2 hours ago, Stebo said:

Monroe is on the water, and DTW actually closely matches YIP which is 7 miles away. DET is also close to the water comparatively to DTW. I don't know why this is such a big deal that DTW is warmer but we have this discussion every year it seems.

What would explain DET being warmer than DTW in the past?  Urbanization changes?

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Just now, Hoosier said:

What would explain DET being warmer than DTW in the past?  Urbanization changes?

Yes, City Airport is surrounded by less housing and manufacturing now than ever before. Their roles have reversed essentially. The gap is larger now though because of proximity to the lakes, DET still had lake influence even when the area was heavily populated. So the gap widening makes complete logical sense when you add in factors of location, proximity to the lakes and building density.

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1 hour ago, Stebo said:

Yes, City Airport is surrounded by less housing and manufacturing now than ever before. Their roles have reversed essentially. The gap is larger now though because of proximity to the lakes, DET still had lake influence even when the area was heavily populated. So the gap widening makes complete logical sense when you add in factors of location, proximity to the lakes and building density.

Yes, fair point as far as the bolded. I was going to mention that.

Much of the land around DET, especially to the west and south of it, has reverted back to prairie / borderline forest due to depopulation since the 1960s. People seem to forget, Detroit proper was home to around 2 million people (think Philadelphia-type population density) in its prime and now only has just over 600,000 people. 

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Clouds and showers/thunderstorms kept us around 70 degrees all day.  Several brief showers here added up to about 0.20".  Meanwhile, eastern Nebraska reached the upper 90s.  Tonight/tomorrow, the front surges north, so we'll get a pretty warm day.  The potential Thursday night heavy rain event has shifted up into Wisconsin.  There should still be a line of storms pushing south through Iowa along the cold front.

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8 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Temps look cool to comfortable this weekend into next week!

It will be nice to skip a the heat during the rest of June. Heading up to Grayling to camp this weekend, I'm happy to see the upper 60's. Hoping to not need the AC at all.

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